how much difference does the sensor make to IQ

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Have been reading lots of lens reviews and note that some canon lens get a better review on the 30d than they do on the 50d, as a 50d owner just wondering how much difference does the sensor model make to IQ or is it just another "myth" like soft lenses

interested in your thoughts
 
Dunno about IQ as such but the higher the sensor resolution the more chance that any little problem will be visible, especially as some people seem to insist on viewing images at 100% or more on screen. Of course the problem may not be the lens but the body, or both :)

I've noticed that people seem to be quick to blame the lens but I wonder how many problems are due to body issues?
 
Don't know about the sensor effect but there is no soft lens myth. Some lenses are soft.

I had a Canon 28-200mm USM and it was softer than a soft thing on the end of a very soft stick. It did start to sharpen up at f11. I got rid quickly.
 
I've noticed that people seem to be quick to blame the lens but I wonder how many problems are due to body issues?

well the sensor records what comes through the lens! if the lens is crap then how can you possibly get a good picture?? The majority of modern sensors are very good at recording detail at low iso..
 
There are very few lenses which can outresolve modern APS-C sensors, though the feat is a little easier on Nikon's 12MP full-frame offerings. Lenses take a lot of the blame for IQ because they have the most responsibility. The sensor's job is to handle low light sources and that's pretty much it nowadays in terms of image quality, especially if you're using RAW.
 
well the sensor records what comes through the lens! if the lens is crap then how can you possibly get a good picture?? The majority of modern sensors are very good at recording detail at low iso..

No, you missed my point.

My point was that people rarely seem to consider that their camera might be the cause of what they think is a lens problem. For example we're all read posts from people who've tried lens after lens until they've found a "good" one but what they're possibly really done is just found one that gives good results on their iffy camera body.
 
No, you missed my point.

My point was that people rarely seem to consider that their camera might be the cause of what they think is a lens problem. For example we're all read posts from people who've tried lens after lens until they've found a "good" one but what they're possibly really done is just found one that gives good results on their iffy camera body.

Well say you bought a new lens...Up to now all your lenses seemed to be fine. with the new lens the camera back/front-focuses..Looks like the problem is in the lens. It's probably a bad copy of the lens if other lenses you own seem to work fine
 
OMG. I wish I hadn't bothered... :bang: :nuts:

Suppose you bought lenses that just happened to work very well on your camera and then you bought one that didn't...

How would you be 100% sure what was really going on without sending your camera and all lenses off for checking / calibration?

This is exactly what some people do, send everything off for calibration at the same time.

Here's another thing to think about... if you have slow lenses and then you buy a fast one and can't hit focus at its widest aperture no matter how hard you try can you be 100% sure that it's a lens problem? No, of course you can't.

This was posted here recently...

http://www.canonrumors.com/tech-articles/this-lens-is-soft-and-other-myths/
 
Have been reading lots of lens reviews and note that some canon lens get a better review on the 30d than they do on the 50d, as a 50d owner just wondering how much difference does the sensor model make to IQ or is it just another "myth" like soft lenses

interested in your thoughts

I think the answer is that it's not a simple question.

But certainly, pixels don't make nearly as much difference as you might think in terms of sharpness. As I discovered myself when resolution testing a 40D (10mp) against a 7D (18mp) where there was nowhere near an 80% improvement.

Yes, the 7D was better, but not much and it was the improvement in noise that was most noticeable, and only that when you looked very closely. In other words, the amount of light captured and the way it's processed is often the most significant part of a new sensor, but it's always the higher pixel count that grabs the headlines.

However, at the same time I tried a 5D2 which has 21mp - hardly more than the 7D - but the difference was dramatic - sharpness, noise, dynamic range, contrast, everything. The reason for that is the sensor is more than twice the size, more than double the light gathering area, and the lower degree of magnification required means the lens doesn't have to work so hard. All round better result, and bigger always equals better in these things.

Have a look here on The Digital Picture where you can load up resolution test comparisons of the same lens taken with numerous different cameras of various formats and pixel counts http://www.the-digital-picture.com/...meraComp=673&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 The lens is the Canon 200L f/2, which was I think the sharpest lens they had ever tested at the time.
 
There are very few lenses which can outresolve modern APS-C sensors, though the feat is a little easier on Nikon's 12MP full-frame offerings. Lenses take a lot of the blame for IQ because they have the most responsibility. The sensor's job is to handle low light sources and that's pretty much it nowadays in terms of image quality, especially if you're using RAW.

I tested a whole bunch of lenses a while back and a 10MP sensor couldn't outresolve any of them, and most were 20+ years old :lol:

Will try with my 60D at the weekend, if I get time :)
 
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