I'M FAMOUS, AT LAST!!

Dave Stone said:
Well done Andy. I see one of Mr Kiddles is on there as well. I really dont see that a sight like this is a threat to a Pro tog now is it! So why not let Andy have his moment.

Pro's and amateurs will always clash in photography. Chris, you are more than welcome to come and have a go at my job for free :)

Well done again Andy.
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:clap: Awesome post Dave mate, love it!! :clap:

Thanks for your support.

And trust me, if anyone wants to come and clean my toilets for me, for FREE, crack on :D
 
Have a look at some marketing books Andy, the business side of it is a huge part of it. Probably as much, if not more than taking blooming good pics :) (unfortunately:))
 
AliB said:
Have a look at some marketing books Andy, the business side of it is a huge part of it. Probably as much, if not more than taking blooming good pics :) (unfortunately:))
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Brill, thanks. I might just do that.
I get on really well with the marketing dept. at work, so maybe I could have a chat with them sometime.
I'm never probably going to be a full time pro, but would love to make some money out of it one day.....

Thanks again.
 
andy_fozzy said:
I'm being honest here, I really have no idea where to start with selling images :thinking:
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Website with concrete prices and payment mechanism (PayPal, but allow cheques etc., too). Capture interest, convert it into sales. You don't want your visitors thinking "Those were nice" and moving on cos there's no other option.

Carry a rate card with you, so you don't get flummoxed thinking what to charge.
 
really bugs me when people ask for pictures and say we won't pay you anything.

andy_fozzy said:
Ok, no big deal perhaps, but I got a message recently from somebody from Schmap saying they'd like to use one of my shots in their Southampton guide. She made it clear there would be no payment, but that doesn't matter to me.

Up until today, I was just waiting to see if it got accepted. And got another message today saying that it has been!!!

Made my day anyway :D

Check it out, it's the Netley Abbey one:

Famous Fozzy :D
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Well done mate, and a great photo too.
It does'nt matter a hoot, about giving photos away for free. Weve all done it.
Karma is a great thing. I did a year of free photography for a couple of major night clubs over the uk, it got me out and about, meeting new people and lead to a few good paid jobs.
Nice work, well done.
Dean:)
 
The trouble with Schmap and what really gets my back up about them, is the way they flickr mail people, blowing smoke up peoples bums, making them feel like they should be privileged to have Schmap choose them for their guide.

Their technique really irritates me, and the amount of people they 'use'! Sheeesh, have you seen the feedback on their Schmap Screen Shot on flickr :eek: I just feel like they are taking advantage of people for their own gain. Even if they had only paid a nominal fee of £10 for each use, they have saved over £10,000 on just those people alone, but I can imagine the money they have saved is probably 10x that! So I ask yourself this ... do the people that advertise with them pay nothing in the same way? I bet they don't!

I can understand why people don't have any objection to them using their images (for link backs to flickr and what not). But I interpret the way they ask as like saying "Your picture is really really good, but not good enough for us to pay you, it will make us some money though so we'll take it". Yet they have chosen one of your images that really is quite good, and reputable firms would gladly pay you for use of it.

:shake: Can you tell I don't like Schmap?
 
Just to add ... If you really think your images aren't good enough to sell. I can tell you you're wrong. That image you posted above has a market value to someone.

Example:

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IMO, that is probably one of my worst images :lol: But I was paid £50 for it to be used in a low print run in a children educational book! The same image on flickr has had over 3,400 views, making it one of my most popular. Yet it's rubbish quality!
 
I'd be very very suprised if he did, anyway I'm contracted not freelance for my job so someone can't just come and take it away.

like wise people who give away or charge little don't take work away from anyone nor do they damage the market.


ChrisGill said:
Andy (& others)



I do not know what you do for a living but if a pro tog came in and did your job for nothing how would you feel?

When I first started I never gave any images away to commercial concern, yes I gave some to GENUINE charities, last year I did a commission for a large firm of solicitors who ran a charity day, I charged them for my services and at night I gave away to raffle off for the charity an A3 mounted print of Tiger Woods and it raised £185 for the charity :love: that was a nice "feel good" factor.

So all you guys think who you are giving your images to out there and ask yourself the question "are they using it on technical merit or because its for free?"

Chris Gill:shrug:
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Well done Andy.
It's your pic to do as you please with for whatever reason.
 
Thanks again to everyone for the support.

It's been a very interesting topic, that's for sure :D
 
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