Interesting Canon WA conundrum f/4 vs f/2.8

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I currently have the f/2.8 II 16-35mm - haven't used it much yet, despite owning it a year, but that's more through being occupied with house renovation at weekends and working the other end of the country from home during the week.

Saw a FS post on here tonight, with someone selling their 2.8 in favour of the newer f/4 IS. Thought their 16-35mm was cheap, but it raises an interesting conundrum/opportunity. Used value of the f/2.8 is about the cost of an f/4 IS (if bought on the grey market). So effectively a nil cost to change, to what is (reportedly) a sharper lens - at least in the corners. I bought the 16-35 over the 17-40, not really for f2.8 (the need for 2.8 on an UWA is a bit niche in my view), but mainly for the slightly extra WA combined with a healthy dose of gear acquisition syndrome. At least that's how I justified it to myself at the time :)

Obviously f/2.8 gives you an advantage in low light, but unlike on a fast telephoto, makes little difference creatively and it's not really a lens for isolating subjects from backgrounds after all; further, AF is not a stretch for the camera at f4 either. And the advantage it gives in low light can be largely overcome by bumping ISO up a notch.

Which leaves the f/4 with IS as quite an attractive lens. I think it unlikely f/4 vs f/2.8 to be much of a disadvantage, when it's combined with IS and sharper overall quality. With nil cost to change (or next to nil), it's a fairly unique opportunity in tech - downgrade to upgrade.

Of course, it's woman's* logic to think it is really a nil cost - as the used value of the f/4 when sold will expose the true loss in "investment" versus what was spent on the 2.8 when new. I also imagine it will cut into Canon's 16-35II sales somewhat.

"apologies ladies :)

Simon
 
Unless you really need f/2.8, the new 16-35/4 IS is sharper, a bit lighter and takes 77mm filters, and will soon be cheaper. Plus it has 3-4 stops of IS that IMHO is more useful than one stop of aperture - takes it deep into tripod territory.

Could fix your GAS, and fill that gap on your shelf for another year :)
 
Aaargh - another 17-40 f4 / 16-35 f4 / 16-35 f2.8 thread in the making.

This is about the third one today.

Can we just draw a line under Hoppy's thread and merge them all PLEASE before we resort to cut and pasting all the comments ;)
 
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dont forget to throw in the new 10-18 IS from canon .. available for justa few quid over £200 new
 
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Apologies dinners, didn't mean to annoy anyone with another thread. I did check the first 5 pages of threads and I only saw 1 on this lens - didn't see 3 threads today at all but sorry for giving you more to read (feel free to not read mine...).

All I was observing, is that a) it is unusual to be able to sell a lens, and use the money to upgrade for free b) does anyone really *need* 2.8 in a UWA. I'd almost feel dirty if I'd not stopped it down a bit anyway. c) this has to eat into 16-35 II sales, but they'll still make their margin no doubt.

Once more, sorry for writing a thread - I didn't see much content on this but it was only a quick scan of the first few pages rather than a deep keyword search I had done.
 
Didn't seem much like that by your tone to be honest but easy to misread intent, even with smilies ;). But by all means feel free to give me a pointer to the threads already discussing this if you'd prefer me to discuss there.
 
I had to make this choice a few weeks ago. I went for the 2.8. People talk about how the 4 is sharper, but I can't remember many claiming how awful the 2.8 was before. IS is nice - but how often are you going to be shooting handheld in low light? The 2.8 might not be useful all the time, but I can think of times that it could come in handy - I know someone who does a lot of architectural photography and he enjoys using it like this.

Also I got the 24-70 so it's got the same 82mm thread. Personally I don't see that as a dealbreaker at all. If you are spending over a grand on a lens you can spent 2/3 quid on a step down ring.

Just go with whatever you fancy - both are meant to be great lenses. However I can't see why you would spend the extra 1k on the 16-35 f4 when you can get a 17-40 which will go 99% of the job.
 
dont forget to throw in the new 10-18 IS from canon .. available for justa few quid over £200 new

It'll be perfect with all those 5 and 1D's... :thumbs:

Unless you really need f/2.8, the new 16-35/4 IS is sharper, a bit lighter and takes 77mm filters, and will soon be cheaper. Plus it has 3-4 stops of IS that IMHO is more useful than one stop of aperture - takes it deep into tripod territory.

Could fix your GAS, and fill that gap on your shelf for another year :)

I think some photojournalists might want f/2.8 version, but to be fair the latest full frame cameras have high enough iso to compensate. I just can't think of any other reason. But now I have more 82mm kit after painful upgrading so that is not so nice!
 
There cases where f2.8 is essential in an UWA. I do a lot of night photography so f2.8 is a real must. As all Canon UWA are rubbish at rendering stars as round points of light towards the edges of the frame I use the excellent Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 lens with a Novaflex adapter to fit my Canon FF body. If you are not heavily into landscapes & night photography then the Canon f4 with IS seems a god way to go.
James
 
I've already got the 2.8 as the 4 IS wasn't available at the time and actually I'm entirely happy with it. It's just an interesting proposition that I could, if I wished, downgrade to f4 max aperture, while upgrading corner sharpness and gain IS at nil cost. The trade off in my circumstances may well be worth doing - I don't recall ever using 2.8 on the 16--35 (and bumping ISO is nary a hardship if I had to), but there are occasions when IS would have saved me, and sharpness is a universal virtue. I think I'll park the idea for now - I've got a week's Landscape workshop coming up and I've got other GAS priorities before this one, albeit that this one wouldn't in effect cost me anything thus is readily justifiable to the spousal unit :)
 
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