iPhone 6S vs Nikon D800

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I was wondering how big is the difference between a smartphone and and a full-frame camera for normal use these days. By "normal use" I mean (agree or not) predominantly electronic viewing and sharing.

While roaming in Somerset this week I pointed these two cameras at similar objects and created a completely unscientific test.

iPhone 6S vs Nikon D800 Shootout
 
the "difference" will be more in the ergonomics than picture quality - how long does it take to change the shutter speed or aperture on an iphone 6s? what about manually focussing it? what about using it in bright sunlight without any viewfinder? good luck i say
 
some of those photos appear to be a little time apart when they were taken? None under challenging conditions which is where you'll see a difference
 
For snaps and electronic sharing, I would think that a smartphone of any make and model is more convenient than any DSLR. As for better for other (for me) more normal uses, a proper camera will beat any phone hands down.
 
For me it is a positive surprise. I still remember how awful mobile cameras were only a few years back. Pictures were blurry, blown highlights, noisy shadows, inaccurate colours, ruined by applying too much JPEG compression, sharpening and NR. Nowadays, my family members or friends would pick an iPhone version of a picture when looking at 2048px output because they think it is technically better. Which is surprising.

Obviously there is no competition for the iPhone in low-light situations - the full-frame sensor is miles better. 36megapixels win on details. I have more control and can achieve a picture I want, I can put different lenses which makes it more versatile. alsoI like 3:2 aspect ratio more than 4:3, etc.

On the other hand iPhone wins for me on the workflow. Pictures look good straight out of the camera, they are shareable, geotagged, cloud synced across devices, backed up, etc. You can easily present pictures to friends, maintain organised catalogue with little or no effort. The built-in software is way smarter on the iPhone. Or it is perhaps better to say that the software in my Nikon DSLR is incredibly dumb. The camera is powered by CPU designed in 90's with performance measured in MHz rather than GHz and hasn't changed for years. You have no alternative than using post-processing workflows such as Lightroom. This can lead to better results but on the other hand it makes things more complicated for non-pro users. Surprisingly, iPhone is also better in measuring exposure and white balance (It has to be as it is difficult to change these settings for ordinary users) compared to D800.

Honestly, for casual use - travel photography, family holidays, etc. I see no need for carrying my DSLR any more.

I wish there was a Nikon F-mount camera with FX chip and iPhone software...
 
I don't know about the iphone 6S or the Nikon D800 I have used neither. I borrowed my friend's Nikon D3200 and I stuck my 35mm 1.8G on it, the images were pretty good. So much better than photos from my iphone 4S. Is the iphone 6S really that good ? :thinking:
 
Nice to see some photos :)

The D800 is clearly better, sharper with higher dynamic rage, better detail etc but the iPhone looks ok. It's up to the user to decide if it's good enough but one thing is for sure, the iPhone pics won't stand up to the same level of of post production as any DSLR.
 
For me this isn't a very good test, there's quite a lot of variation in contrast, WB and saturation which can influence the shot a lot, plus on a number of the Nikon shots the dof is more shallow and so detail is lost in the 'oof' areas. If you look at the areas of critical focus though the Nikon is better.

All that being said the iphone does stand up surprisingly well in these shots. Most are over sharpened though.
 
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You're right, casual and web use the iphone camera is good enough. I won't be using mine for astrophotography in a hurry though. Interesting comparison however (and some lovely shots).
 
Looking at those samples I am surprised just how well the iPhone fares.
The only sample I could really see a significant difference was the detail shot of the sluice gate, very obvious jpeg blurring/noise.

I've just bought a 6s myself and it is a massive improvement over the 5s I had, and I think these samples really do show how good modern smartphone cameras are for general 'point and shoot' scenarios.

Yes, a DSLR/CSC will always out perform in lower light or high dynamic range situations - although the HDR mode goes someway to helping that one.

On a different note, what do you use on the site to create the slide over comparison?
 
Megapixels is about marketing. I've taken pictures printed to half page and 24" prints from my D2Hs and that's 4.1 megapixels!!!
 
V interesting comparisons. The iPhone pics are scarily good. Yes, the Nikon wins, but you have to look close with some of them. It's obvious in the enlarged sections, but 99% of 'picture makers' never go near that size and the vast majority are way smaller. On-screen viewing isn't very demanding of IQ, but that's how everybody views pictures these days - including most of us here.

This is the big dilemma for camera manufacturers. Their bread and butter market, compacts, is long gone. And the middle ground is far from safe either, with smartphones getting better all the time. This is bad new for enthusiasts too, because the development and production of our sophisticated cameras is no longer riding on the back of scale economies lower down the range. DSLRs and mirrorless will become more expensive, lenses too. The only glimmer of hope on that score is mirrorless, as they're much cheaper to manufacture, especially when the mechanical shutter is replaced with electronic switching of the sensor - the shutter/mirror is a very costly item.

The connectivity advantages of smartphones should be relatively easy to fix, if that's what we want.
 
Very interesting comparison.
The quality of phone cameras are improving at a fast rate. As previously mentioned DSLR has the option of Zoom Lens, Image Stabilisation Lens, Better Low Light Performance, Could list loads. But it will definitely make the choice of deciding whether or not you'll need to take your DSLR on holiday more difficult with images like that being produced by phones.

Appreciate you taking the time to share your comparisons.
 
V interesting comparisons. The iPhone pics are scarily good. Yes, the Nikon wins, but you have to look close with some of them. It's obvious in the enlarged sections, but 99% of 'picture makers' never go near that size and the vast majority are way smaller. On-screen viewing isn't very demanding of IQ, but that's how everybody views pictures these days - including most of us here.

This is the big dilemma for camera manufacturers. Their bread and butter market, compacts, is long gone. And the middle ground is far from safe either, with smartphones getting better all the time. This is bad new for enthusiasts too, because the development and production of our sophisticated cameras is no longer riding on the back of scale economies lower down the range. DSLRs and mirrorless will become more expensive, lenses too. The only glimmer of hope on that score is mirrorless, as they're much cheaper to manufacture, especially when the mechanical shutter is replaced with electronic switching of the sensor - the shutter/mirror is a very costly item.

The connectivity advantages of smartphones should be relatively easy to fix, if that's what we want.
I wouldn't say the compact market is long gone as such. The cheap end (£80 Argos special anyone?), certainly but a little higher up I'm not so sure?

The competition from camera phones has brought a welcome increase in the design and production of very decent enthusiast compacts.

A few years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of taking a compact with me instead of one of my DSLRs on an extended trip abroad, but right now I'm doing just that with a Sony RX100, and its doing great (threads to follow when I get back!). And the RX100 is smaller than my iPhone :) Sure there are times when I would have wanted a manual zoom, FF low light ability and a UWA but for 90% of my shots it has handled itself impeccably. The RX100 on a shot for shot comparison (I was doubling up on some shots with the phone for Facebook updates) blows the iPhone into the water (and my iPhone would have run out of memory weeks ago!!). However, the biggest difference to me was the level of enjoyment whilst using the compact - I didn't feel connected with the subject and was no where near as satisfying to use as the DSLR. But that's just a personal issue for me, and this issue is even worse when I use my iPhone. Maybe it's the ergonomics, I don't know but I miss not having a VF.

Also, with regards to the compact market, now we're getting full frame compacts - who'd have thought?

And as a side note, my iPhone 5 and 6 images look poor on my 23" monitor, they still can't get blues and reds right in less than perfect light without pixelating :( As for smart phones fully taking over? I can't see it. They can engineer them to do the same thing as tech improves, but then they'll need interchangeable lenses and larger sensors, external flashes and then, they simply become mirrorless cameras surely (there's only so much they can push it before the product fundamentally changes from one thing to something else)?

For me, my camera phones are still only devices I use for snap shots, this isn't detrimental to the IQ they can achieve though, most of my photographs can't be achieved from a phone camera (my dogs playing being one of my most photographed subjects!) and I know the OPs comparison isn't scientific, but the shots illustrated are simply just that - snap shots.

However, I wonder when Canon and Nikon will dip a foot in this market? I'm surprised they haven't already, even if it's just designing and producing camera phone lenses, it's a large photography sector after all, now the biggest on a device by device basis. That could be a great bread winner for them, which will keep the cost of larger format stand alone cameras down if the sales margin is big enough.
 
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I was wondering how big is the difference between a smartphone and and a full-frame camera for normal use these days. By "normal use" I mean (agree or not) predominantly electronic viewing and sharing.

While roaming in Somerset this week I pointed these two cameras at similar objects and created a completely unscientific test.

iPhone 6S vs Nikon D800 Shootout


Why is anyone even thinking of comparing them? LOL

The phone is always in your pocket... the D800 isn't. Pretty much sums it up. Why bother worrying about which is "best". Technically, the D800 is, obviously.... but you can't carry it with you everywhere.
 
Why is anyone even thinking of comparing them? LOL

The phone is always in your pocket... the D800 isn't. Pretty much sums it up. Why bother worrying about which is "best". Technically, the D800 is, obviously.... but you can't carry it with you everywhere.

Pretty much - the unrivalled convenience of smartphones, plus the instant connectivity advantages. And 'good enough' image quality that's getting better all the time.

Jim, you're too late. Compacts are already on the verge of extinction - check the sales figures (Thom Hogan is good on sales trends, loads of stuff there). I wouldn't count your RX100 as a 'compact' in the general sense, the way I meant. An 'enthusiast compact' perhaps but the casual snapshotters that comprise the vast majority of buyers don't spend £300-plus.

We are a tiny minority. Not sure how to describe the difference between enthusiasts and snapshotters* but speaking for myself, I only ever carry a camera with the intention of taking pictures - that's the primary purpose, and I take a bag full of DSLR gear. (And I don't even know how to work the video functions LOL) Everyone else just wants a good enough camera to record whatever they happen to be doing. Smartphones are excellent for that, perfect in fact. It's pointless trying to compete with standalone cameras.

I used to think that a middle-ground would continue to exist, as it always has, for those that want better image quality snapshots, and I had high hopes for products like the Sony QX line - a smartphone add-on with a bigger sensor and zoom lens etc, but after an initial rush that idea seems to have faded. Probably because even that small extra cost/size/weight/inconvenience factor is too much for the perceived upside.

I'm not optimistic for the future. Sure, we will always have enthusiast cameras and lenses that can do things no smartphone can, but at a cost. Niche products, and inevitably priced accordingly. Turning the clock back 40 years or so, that's how the photo market mostly was and my first good camera, a Minilota SRT101 in 1970 cost £175 (very basic all-manual SLR, standard 50mm lens). In today's money, adjusted for earning power etc, that's the equivalent of around £4.5k.

*Edit: another difference - cameras are techno-toys to us, gorgeous gadgets. We actually enjoy the complexity, the knowledge and craft-skills needed to lift our pictures above the level of smartphones. And cameras are not cool like they used to be.
 
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I use my smartphone all the time as a P&S

would i rate it over my Fuji cameras, no way.
 
perhaps he was talking about film cameras

If that were true, I would be the coolest dude on the planet!

I think there has always been an element of geekiness about owning a camera - unless you were famous for it.


Steve
 
If that were true, I would be the coolest dude on the planet!

I think there has always been an element of geekiness about owning a camera - unless you were famous for it.

Steve

If you're a mega-geek - and your home-made film camera qualifies! - then the coolness factor goes full-circle and you're cool again. Especially if you wear a hat.
 
If wearing a hat makes one cool, I'm buggered! I need to wear a hat a lot of the time (pretty much whenever I'm outside) but would hate to think I'm either cool or (even worse!) fashionable! Bad enough that I've been bearded for about 30 years... Bloody hipsters.
 
Treading a fine line there Nod. Do you take it off indoors? Then you're not cool.
 
I think we are in the similar situation like a decade ago.

In early days of digital photography was considered inferior to film. Digital had indisputable advantages (faster workflow, instant image review), but image quality of 2-3mpx CCD chips couldn't compete with film in resolution, dynamic range, colour, etc. Professionals were sceptic. Eventually the quality gap disappeared and convenience factor and speed prevailed.

Now again we have a new device class - smart mobile cameras with superior convenience and workflow. What they lack is image quality and controls. It it also interesting to see that features we (enthusiast photographers or professionals) consider as benefits of traditional cameras (ability to control focus or exposure, plenty of direct controls, small depth of field, post-processing workflow on the PC) is a huge disadvantage for most "normal" camera users.

My personal crystal ball says that what most people really want is instantly usable and technically good pictures. Mobile phone cameras are starting to deliver on that and we are at the point where any differences are hardly visible to anyone but advanced users.

I would be surprised if in a few years from now devices like current advanced DSLRs and traditional workflows are still a thing for anyone except for a very few specialists. I don't even think about compact/bridge cameras which seems to be dying already.
 
I think we are in the similar situation like a decade ago.

In early days of digital photography was considered inferior to film. Digital had indisputable advantages (faster workflow, instant image review), but image quality of 2-3mpx CCD chips couldn't compete with film in resolution, dynamic range, colour, etc. Professionals were sceptic. Eventually the quality gap disappeared and convenience factor and speed prevailed.

Now again we have a new device class - smart mobile cameras with superior convenience and workflow. What they lack is image quality and controls. It it also interesting to see that features we (enthusiast photographers or professionals) consider as benefits of traditional cameras (ability to control focus or exposure, plenty of direct controls, small depth of field, post-processing workflow on the PC) is a huge disadvantage for most "normal" camera users.

My personal crystal ball says that what most people really want is instantly usable and technically good pictures. Mobile phone cameras are starting to deliver on that and we are at the point where any differences are hardly visible to anyone but advanced users.

I would be surprised if in a few years from now devices like current advanced DSLRs and traditional workflows are still a thing for anyone except for a very few specialists. I don't even think about compact/bridge cameras which seems to be dying already.

That last paragraph for me is a bit far fetched! I shoot a lot at 200mm plus as do many, many non specialists. I cannot see how a phone will do even mid telephoto in 10 years let alone a few. IQ is one thing, physics is another :)

I think camera phones as they are are fine if you're happy with snap shots with from a short (but not necessarily wide) lens. As per my previous post, push them past this and they become a different product.
 
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I've just upgraded my phone to a LG G4. The picture quality is outstanding. On paper it has more megapixels than my Nikon D300. So easy to transfer pictures to my printer and make sure it prints correctly with the HP app I downloaded for it.

Would I say overall it's better than my DSLR? No way is it. The Nikon gives me far more control over the picture and the different lenses I have for the camera.

I certainly wouldn't use the LG G4 for say photographing steam trains.

At the end of the day you can have the latest all singing all dancing smartphone or the latest DSLR with all the lenses it is ultimately the person taking the picture that defines how good the picture will be.
 
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...and putting this into perspective, my 2008 Canon 50d wipes the floor with my iPhone. Especially when I add a fast prime.

I say again, 2008!

But coming back to this;

I was wondering how big is the difference between a smartphone and and a full-frame camera for normal use these days. By "normal use" I mean (agree or not) predominantly electronic viewing and sharing.

While roaming in Somerset this week I pointed these two cameras at similar objects and created a completely unscientific test.

iPhone 6S vs Nikon D800 Shootout

Looking again at the comparison, I can't help but feel you shot the d800 to mimic the iPhone, shooting in a way to match the phone rather than to each devices strengths. It's like running a Ferrari next to a Ford Focus and throttling the Ferrari off when the Ford can't go any faster and saying "look, the Ferrari really isn't *that* much better, they are running side by side". The Ford will be just as fast as the Ferrari when they are both doing 60 mph :)

Set them up to mimic each other and you'll get the same results. But exploit the best performer and see how much better it is.
 
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Telephoto is obviously a problem. Could they make a lens I can slide my smartphone into? Could they find a way how to put a bayonet style mount on the phone? Could existing extenders some people already use be improved? Even more compact lens designs and more efficient smaller sensors? External lens wirelessly connected? Do majority of people actually want to take long focal length pictures? Even some mirrorless systems don't have a good long lens story.

I don't know what the solution will be.

Clearly something has to change as the current DSLR workflow (learn how to use the camera, decide which camera and lenses you need, buy a backpack for the gear, don't be lazy to carry it, set-up the camera, override poorly chosen default and auto settings using 90's style option menus, take pictures, return from holidays and find time to process them in Lightroom, print some of them to 15x10 format, upload rest to the Flickr and forget the rest) is broken for vast majority of people.
 
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Telephoto is obviously a problem. Could they make a lens I can slide my smartphone into? Could they find a way how to put a bayonet style mount on the phone? Could existing extenders some people already use be improved? Even more compact lens designs and more efficient smaller sensors? External lens wirelessly connected? Do majority of people actually want to take long focal length pictures? Even some mirrorless systems don't have a good long lens story.

I don't know what the solution will be.

Clearly something has to change as the current DSLR workflow (learn how to use the camera, decide which camera and lenses you need, buy a backpack for the gear, don't be lazy to carry it, set-up the camera, override poorly chosen default and auto settings using 90's style option menus, take pictures, return from holidays and find time to process them in Lightroom, print some of them to 15x10 format, upload rest to the Flickr and forget the rest) is broken for vast majority of people.
For the average person they're not interested in the described workflow. Never have been, never will. Those same people used to exist in the film days, they had disposable cameras. They now have smartphones and are very happy.

However, most dedicated photography enthusiasts are still very much interested in cameras, lenses, shooting in difficult conditions, hiking for hours to get the shot (read 'Outdoor Photography', it's great!), long exposures and manual, physical filters etc etc.

Nothing's changed there!

Not all photographers are happy with just happy snaps they can share on Facebook straight away. Heck, half of the fun is in the workflow and doing it all yourself.

There's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing broken. It's just two ways of doing things which different people prefer. It's fine as it is. If you can't be arsed and MUST post to Face-ache straight away, just pull out the phone and shoot with that (if it's something the phone can deal with, and has battery power).

The longer winded route provides better results though, much like many other things in life.
 
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got a 6s plus coming tommorw am expecting good things from the camera but doubt will touch the quality of my dslr's!!
 
I think where your going to see a difference in quality is when it's blown up and what size prints you can get before it's noticeable.
 
Some of the iphone shots look smudgey or softened, in particular the close in on the gate.

You don't buy a D800 to shoot Jpeg, you shoot RAW to process. And the results will be significantly superior to any phone image. Sure, 'smart' phone cameras are better now than ever before. But try cropping down 100% on those images, try processing an iPhone6 photo ... or try taking high ISO pics in dimly lit atmosphere, you'll be disappointed.
 
But try cropping down 100% on those images, try processing an iPhone6 photo ... or try taking high ISO pics in dimly lit atmosphere, you'll be disappointed.

I think you're missing the point;

By "normal use" I mean (agree or not) predominantly electronic viewing and sharing.

iPhone 6S vs Nikon D800 Shootout

The largest majority of iPhone images are taken by people who really aren't bothered about pixel peeping at 100% or wishing they'd shot in Raw, hence the point of this initial thread. In the same vain, a D800 is useless at browsing Sky News while you're editing your shots ;0)
 
Thanks for this comparison. It surprised me how good the 6s shots are for a phone. When my LX100 was stolen I was tempted to stick with my phone for those moments I did not want to take my EM1 out with me. The phone lost and I got another LX100. However, its still in its box! Phone cameras have certainly improved.
 
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my wife has a Canon S95 ..... she takes quite a few images but only in holiday and travel situations ..... she carries the S95 in her handbag and the battery seem to last forever.
she has an iPhone and uses it for photography now and again

She sees many people using iPhones when she is taking pictures ........ she often says to me why are they using an iPhone when it is so much easier to use the Canon S95
 
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