iTR AF on 1 DX-any good?

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I realise that there is a dedicated 1 Dx owners thread, but thought a new thread with this heading might get more coverage.

The main difference between the 5D3 and 1Dx AF systems is the intelligent tracking option (as well as the separate processor).
I wonder how many of us use this on a day to day basis, and how effective it is?
Most of the time I tend to use single point or single point with surrounding assist, which of course doesn't use this function, and wondered if I am missing using a useful function, and how/if others use it?

Thanks, George.
 
If its anything like the 3D tracking on Nikons that Ken Rockwell raves about as the only AF option you should be using then try it, then have a good laugh at how many OOF photos youve taken.
 
Yes, my Nikon pal doesn't rate the 3D tracking, I don't have any experience of Nikon, however.
 
It seems to me that no one is using this, am I right?

George
 
I don't use it. It slows AF Lock quite a bit.
 
I dont use it.. simply because i have never fancied it...
 
Thanks, guys, so no one yet has come on with a positive slant.

Any independant articles on it?
 
I can't give it a positive for team sports either. It seems to work by latching on to the colour in the focus point region when focus is first attained. Perhaps this would work well for tracking faces in a hurdle race or cycling type setup but it's not ideal for a sport where half the bod's are dressed in the same colours.

Bob
 

Thanks, Robin, an interesting read...but his comments about iTR are really limited!!!...and I'm suspicious about "the Canon people in London told me to turn it on"....perhaps the same ones who told me there was absolutely no way that a 1Dx could EVER af at f8???...:lol::nono:

Seems as though the scales are tilted in the direction of "turn it off" from our forum users.
I've yet to read anything from a user who says "whoopee, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread".....
 
been having a read on canon 1dx tips as posted by canon twitter today.. the iTR needs a face to be MOSTLY filling the screen and not to the very sides.. small distant faces makes it all usless and slow.. for sports I would keep it off ..dont know about you but i rarely focus on a face (unless using my f2 in extreme conditions) and rarely a face taking up majority of screen anyway.. so for sports its most deffo OFF IMHO
 
That's interesting, Tony, now if I remember correctly, on one of the Canon fliers, it demonstrated iTR with a cyclist who was quite a distance away, perhaps the instruction book equivalent of "poetic licence"!!
Tried it a bit more since I started this thread, but nowhere have I seen anyone raving about it, let alone using it.
Are you finding the new software any different/better?? (or worse!!)...auto ISO ex comp is for me the big advantage.

George
 
auto iso is a godsend in certain situations.. thats about it really.. .. I am hoping my shutter packs up soon.. I am at 343 thousand.. if it goes before the 2 yr warranty I get it free.. if just after then a few hundred quid..
 
auto iso is a godsend in certain situations.. thats about it really.. .. I am hoping my shutter packs up soon.. I am at 343 thousand.. if it goes before the 2 yr warranty I get it free.. if just after then a few hundred quid..
Tony, hope I'm wrong, but I think I remember reading somewhere that shutters aren't covered?....perhaps someone else can help...?
 
of course they are covered :) ..I ahve had at least 4 or maybe 5 done over the yrs under warranty..there not covered if you get an extended warranty on top...the topup warranty canon where selling.. which is why i didnt buy one..
 
Ahh, it must have been the extended one I was thinking of sorry!!....:arghh:
 
The same as most other 1Dx users I normally use a single af point or single point with assist which I do switch around the screen to suit the composition I want.
I'm afraid I'm a bit of an old dinosaur when it comes to trying new modes or whatever on camera settings (shame on me) & generally stick to what I know works.

Having said that back last summer I was shooting the cable national wake boarding championships, now these top athletes really build up some speed when they launch themselves off the ramp twisting & spinning all over the place & it can prove very tricky to keep even the af point with assist firmly on them when fairly filling the frame with them with a 400 f2.8 & extenders. I have to admit I was getting a good number of slightly oof (I never admit to well oof) ;) although some of them were :( shots.

I had a dig through the af menu & decided to give the itr a try, well I have to say it worked absolutely fantastically. I certainly wouldn't use it for most sport work but for this & stuff like gymnastics (the tumbling disciplines) it's a real godsend.

Stew.
 
I had a dig through the af menu & decided to give the itr a try, well I have to say it worked absolutely fantastically. I certainly wouldn't use it for most sport work but for this & stuff like gymnastics (the tumbling disciplines) it's a real godsend.
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seriously wasnt suggesting it doesnt work.. just not for field sprots..esp using primes where players heads can be quite small.. your use and I guess many other uses i can imagine it works great... glad to hear your experience wiht it.... for me.. it will be remembering its there and to turn it on/off when needed :)
 
seriously wasnt suggesting it doesnt work.. just not for field sprots..esp using primes where players heads can be quite small.. your use and I guess many other uses i can imagine it works great... glad to hear your experience wiht it.... for me.. it will be remembering its there and to turn it on/off when needed :)

I think you're right Tony.

I have tried in previous years the old style all points enabled with some disastrous effects, I'm not altogether sure this was really tracking the face (although I could be wrong cos the face was usually sharp) but once you picked the subject up with the centre spot you could see the af point switching around the frame tracking them. It didn't suddenly lock on to some high contrast point in the background for no apparent reason.

The same as you I wouldn't recommend it for general use but was pleasantly surprised how well in worked in this scenario.

Stew.
 
I have indoor sportshall athletics this aft.. can get reasonable shutter speeds (i believe not advised to use if shutter too slow or iso too high?) and some of the events such as long jump..it loses focus half way accross when shooting them jumping towards me..... I might put this on and spot wiht assist ? is that correct and see if it works..
 
Tony, From memory you have to allow itr-af in the menu & enable all (61) points. As the athletes start their run you pick them up with the centre point & keep them in frame with thumb on bbf, you will see the point swithing around following them in the viewfinder.

Be interesting to see how you find it. :)
 
Yeagh I know the menu option.. wasnt sure what focus.. OK 61 then and keep hold of focus.... so all i need to change is set it and the 61 points.. probably set a C function.. thanks for that.. will try this aft
 
Just had a quick look at the menus in the af menu (magenta colour) it's the forth little dot or section along, right at the top: Auto AF pt sel :EOS iTR AF switch to on
 
just having a play... in AF 4. 1 turn it on.. in AF 4.3 set to 61 .. what are you using in AF 4.4 ?
 
Just had a quick look at the menus in the af menu (magenta colour) it's the forth little dot or section along, right at the top: Auto AF pt sel :EOS iTR AF switch to on

yeagh thats the easy bit :)
 
So now saved to a custome shooting mode M2

Manual
shutter 800
iso 12800
f2.8
selectable af points 61
select af area AUTO 61 pts


given that the camera is choosing where to fucus based on face recognition then it seems logical that af point would be to auto 61 as well as selectable 61?
 
That's strange, I'm sure when I was using this before I could pick it up with the centre point then see the point moving around tracking them. I can't see that now in the viewfinder although when looking at the preview after on the LCD if I've moved the camera the focus point is showing as moved. I'll go outside with a long lens in a minute & try it on something.
Guess best thing is to try it on a couple of competitors to see if it works ok before commiting it to everything
 
I jsut tried it on my daughter.. when you first aim the point is in the center.. but its moving about all the time even when she is still.. if i keep the camera still and she moves to the left or right it does indeed follow her...
 
Really interested to see how this goes!!....was your daughter pretty close to you?...wonder how much of the frame you need to fill....
 
Really interested to see how this goes!!....was your daughter pretty close to you?...wonder how much of the frame you need to fill....

I tried 70% of frame then about 40% and worked.. but thats controlled and never a good test... Have a feeling it will be less this aft.. however I dont see the point if you ahve to fill it too much... will see if its fast enough to track a 12 yr old jumping towards me ..indoors :)
 
I tried 70% of frame then about 40% and worked.. but thats controlled and never a good test... Have a feeling it will be less this aft.. however I dont see the point if you ahve to fill it too much... will see if its fast enough to track a 12 yr old jumping towards me ..indoors :)


Well I look forward to your results, unfortunately (or fortunately, depends how you look at it) my daughters are a bit more than 12!!
I did a bit of fiddling with this before the latest update, tried it with BIF, but it didn't really work, bird against blue sky, could have done better with centre plus 4.
 
my daughters 24 :) but still got a face i can point at :) the schoolkids at the job this aft are about 12 ithink...
 
I jsut tried it on my daughter.. when you first aim the point is in the center.. but its moving about all the time even when she is still.. if i keep the camera still and she moves to the left or right it does indeed follow her...

Oh that's good.

I just tried it on my other body & all is working ok on that.
Obviously I'll have to go through all the menus on the first one cos silly old fart that I am I must have switched something off or on without realising it. :D
 
my daughters 24 :) but still got a face i can point at :) the schoolkids at the job this aft are about 12 ithink...


Oops, don't know where I got that from, Tony!!
 
it will be interesting to see if this works for you as I don't see it working too well for me.
 
well first problem was.. after doing a few shots i went to my saved custom control set for trying this.. arrrgh I had set WB but using a custom set didnt use my white balance.. so lost a few before I realised..

from what I can tell worked OK .. its obviously not great if your jumping from one subject to another hoping for a quick focus.. but for controlled stuff it works well.. sometimes the faces where so small on screen that four spots would cover it.. in these cases it just tracked the subject.. so didnt need to be a face.. but did jump away if another subject got its attention.. as i say just on subjects where face was too small..

where face big enough.. yes worked and I do believe keeper rate up slightly in that face focus was better.. using one spot for a runner i can keep in focus but on the body.. this system keeps the face in focus so better. however these where primary kids.. younger than i thought and a lot smaller.. do couldnt fill the frame as much and no long jump which i really wanted it for

all in all i am sold on it for things like this.. quick focus as in a field sport no.. but if you want to track a subject then yes.. tracking a subject for face focus (sharper pic) then its even better..

I will deffo use it again.. like anyhting else ..will need getting used to
 
...and you were using 61 active points??
 
61 as described in an earlier post.. you could see what was active alays on the subject.. bit worrying seeing it jumping about.. but worked
 
Glad it worked well for you Tony, I think it might've worked even better if I'd remembered better & explained a bit clearer than I did earlier (bear with me the old brain cells ain't what they were):confused:

With sports like wakeboarding, cycling & long jump I like to use just a single point because the athletes faces are rarely on the same plane of focus as their bodies when they're making their big effort which as you know is a big problem when using long lenses at or near wide open, especially when you're filling the frame well. I tend to use a single af point at the top of the grid & focus on the face if possible.
With cycling a good target is the front of the crash hat because quite often they have bright colours & those air cooling flutes, if you use surrounding points af can often flick on to the riders shoulders where they normally have all kinds of high contrast lettering to attract af. (incidentely I've had good results with lesser af by setting a centre or with surround point and focussing on the handlebar/stem area which when they are travelling towards you is more or less on the same focus plane as their faces)

With long jump (sitting at the end of the pit with a 300 or 400) if you are focussing on the athletes body during the run up focus won't be far off their face but as they jump they put their legs in front of them, using single point with surrounding points the tendency is for af to flick to their feet & unless you're shooting an advert for Nike trainers (other brands are available) :D it's not really what you want, so in the past I've always tried to keep a single point on the face, very difficult because they're not exactly keeping their heads rock steady as they take off, fly through the air & land.

I now remember how I was shooting the wakeboarding. I'd been trying to use a single point at the top of the grid on their heads to keep faces in focus, everybody try it some time it'll send you to the loony bin unless you're better at it than me (not hard) I found it practically impossible with all the spinning & somersaulting they were doing, & had a very poor hit rate when looking critically at the sharpness of the faces because most times af had grabbed onto the highly contrasty wakeboard decals as they spun around. That's when I thought I'd give this iTR a go.

I told you earlier that I used the centre point in the full 61 points grid to initially pick up focus, sorry that was a mistake, when you enable the full grid you can shift the single focus point around & put it where you want so I put it at the top of the grid. As the athletes make their approach before they do all the fancy stuff I put that single point on their heads, I think it's important to establish a good a lock as poss. at this stage & track carefully for a second or so, once they start all the jumping, somersaulting & other lunacy that I can only be in awe of, let the iTR do it's work. I could see an immediate improvement, you're never going to get a 100% every shot in the burst pin sharp focus on the face in this sort of sport when using long telephotos but the hit rate will improve enormously I found.

I personally wouldn't use or have tried iTR on sports with more than one competitor in the frame so don't know whether it would work or not.

Stew
 
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