I second that!!!!!!!!Simple question (I hope). I use and enjoy LR Classic, but I don’t want Photoshop. It’s OTT for my needs. Is it possible to buy or subscribe to LR Classic without PS?
If, and it a big if, I suspend LR, then I will use DxO. For the little I need PS I will probably use Affinity. But I really want to keep LR.Have you ever tried Darktable ?
That’s what I feared. For now, till my subs ends some time next year, I’ll just have to forget I have PS. I do already have Affinity but have hardly used it yet.Not possible as far as I am aware. I wish it were.
Simple question (I hope). I use and enjoy LR Classic, but I don’t want Photoshop. It’s OTT for my needs. Is it possible to buy or subscribe to LR Classic without PS?
I was in the same position. I never went beyond LR6.14 for the obvious reason. I decided to go with Photolab as an alternative. I imported my olympus files into LR and then used Photolab to "pre-process" individual files which looked particularly promising then exported them back into LR6.14 for processing. Now I have a new body which LR doesn't recognise so now I import them into Photolab first and export to LR for final processing. It's another learning curve, of course.
I just don't understand why Adobe don't sell a LR only subscription.
Likely it's just not profitable enough. If LR & PS together are £10 per month it's likely they will make more than if they cut to £6.50 month for LR only. The product costs almost nothing to supply, so doing a lower cost product loses them money.
As I’m paying nothing until 2024 (only just discovered that) I’ll keep my powder dry till then. No way do I want a version of LR which is only on a tablet.If you are determined to do without Photoshop, you can get Lightroom (but not LR Classic) on its own, which comes with 1TB of online storage, but it's the same £9.98/month price as Lightroom Classic bundled with Photoshop and 20TB of online storage.
No way do I want a version of LR which is only on a tablet.
Have you ever been involved with software production and maintenance, it is costly and has to be paid for. It seems common for people to part with money for hardware but have a considerable reluctance to pay for software. The Adobe software package is almost certainly the most sophisticated software that most would use on a home computer. It is unfortunate that PS was primarily designed for Graphic designers and photographic features added later. Adobe's only attempt to just pull out the Photographic features was Elements but this was too simplified.Of course..... it's all about the money!
Adobe turnover in 2021 = $15.78 Billion.Have you ever been involved with software production and maintenance, it is costly and has to be paid for. It seems common for people to part with money for hardware but have a considerable reluctance to pay for software. The Adobe software package is almost certainly the most sophisticated software that most would use on a home computer. It is unfortunate that PS was primarily designed for Graphic designers and photographic features added later. Adobe's only attempt to just pull out the Photographic features was Elements but this was too simplified.
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It is unfortunate that PS was primarily designed for Graphic designers and photographic features added later.
I find LR to be intuitive. I just use it and rarely have to look up help. PS is at the other extreme for me, not at all intuitive and very frustrating. Some say this is because I am a mathematician/scientist and not at all artistic. PS often gives no indication of the next step.Speaking as someone who has experience using pretty much every version of Photoshop since v1.1 (and was selling it in the early 90s) I can assure you that is categorically untrue.
It was a photographic image editing tool first. Graphic designers twigged that they could do stuff with it and Adobe followed that market with features later. Heck, editable type didn’t arrive until v5.0.
So What? They are a huge company and successful. As far as I am concerned the Adobe package is excellent value for Money. I do not have any connection with Adobe.Adobe turnover in 2021 = $15.78 Billion.
There’s an old adage that there are usually six ways to do any given task in Photoshop; over the years it’s become a Swiss Army knife of an application. Photoshop is incredibly powerful, but to get the most out of it you have to take control, and it takes a lot of skill and hard graft to master. I have worked alongside professional retouchers who can the do amazing things with Photoshop, which you could not hope to do with Lightroom.
That's turnover, not profit. What are their costs? I know they are raking it in since moving to a subscription model but if every man and his dog hadn't pirated PS and LR maybe they wouldn't have felt the need to. I'm fully invested in the Creative Cloud photography plan, I pay £20 a month for the 1TB plan with LR, LR Classic and Photoshop. I use LR primarily on my iPad, quite often on my phone and occasionally on my PC. The licence allows you to install on two computers so my dad uses LR Classic on his PC, as I never use Classic anymore. My website is built on Adobe Portfolio, and my entire LR catalog of over 36,000 images is stored in the cloud so I can access it anywhere, on any of my devices.Adobe turnover in 2021 = $15.78 Billion.
That's turnover, not profit. What are their costs? I know they are raking it in since moving to a subscription model but if every man and his dog hadn't pirated PS and LR maybe they wouldn't have felt the need to. I'm fully invested in the Creative Cloud photography plan, I pay £20 a month for the 1TB plan with LR, LR Classic and Photoshop. I use LR primarily on my iPad, quite often on my phone and occasionally on my PC. The licence allows you to install on two computers so my dad uses LR Classic on his PC, as I never use Classic anymore. My website is built on Adobe Portfolio, and my entire LR catalog of over 36,000 images is stored in the cloud so I can access it anywhere, on any of my devices.
I almost never use PS but it's nice to know it's there when I need it. I made the seating plan board for my wedding using it and I've done star trails using it in the past.
And as has been said above, they are a massively successful company that make lots of software used around the world. I'd hope they were turning over and making billions every year.
Photoshop requires a very disciplined and structured approach to editing and you really need to put a lot of effort into learning how it works. While, as a generalisation, you can get away with using LR by just playing around and seeing what happens, you won't even get started with PS with this approach.I find LR to be intuitive. I just use it and rarely have to look up help. PS is at the other extreme for me, not at all intuitive and very frustrating. Some say this is because I am a mathematician/scientist and not at all artistic. PS often gives no indication of the next step.
Yes it is, which is part of why I said "generalising to the extreme". And, I don't disagree with what you have written, but I am aware that many people never use PS (only LR), and equally many people never use LR, preferring a Bridge/ACR/PS work flow.I wonder if this is an artificial dichotomy.
Not for everyone of course, but coming from the film days, I feel that 50% of a photograph comes from the "taking" and 50% from the "processing"
More financial info from Adobe .....
Adobe annual gross profit for 2021 was $13.92B, a 24.89% increase from 2020.
- Adobe revenue for the quarter ending May 31, 2022 was $4.386B, a 14.37% increase year-over-year.
- Adobe revenue for the twelve months ending May 31, 2022 was $16.693B, a 16.01% increase year-over-year.
- Adobe annual revenue for 2021 was $15.785B, a 22.67% increase from 2020.
- Adobe annual revenue for 2020 was $12.868B, a 15.19% increase from 2019.
- Adobe annual revenue for 2019 was $11.171B, a 23.71% increase from 2018.
Adobe annual gross profit for 2020 was $11.146B, a 17.35% increase from 2019.
Adobe annual gross profit for 2019 was $9.498B, a 21.23% increase from 2018.
It looks like they're doing OK.