Looking to upgrade from the Canon 450D

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I may want to upgrade my camera body to something better sometime this year. I want to stay with Canon. But I'm unsure what to upgrade to. I wouldn't mind a full-frame camera preferably costing below £1000.

What lenses can I use on a full frame camera body?

At the moment I have the kit lens 18-55mm and 75-300 f4-5.6 III.
I then bought a Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM.
I then upgraded the kit lens to the 18-135mm lens.


I want to use the camera for mostly landscape. But I'm considering doing a little street photography, and might want start taking portraits at some point.

Also is the 50mm lens worth buying, and would I be able to use it for landscapes.
 
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I'm pretty sure none of those will fit....you need Ef fitting for full frame and they are sf-s lens
The ef lens will fit both full frame and crop
 
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If you go full frame the only lens that will fit is the 75-300mm. That lens is far from great on a crop body so when bolted to a full frame camera its weaknesses will be further exploited.

If you go full frame you will have to start from scratch on the lens front.
 
I'm on a 500d and pondering an upgrade, my choice is the 6d was looking at 70d too which will take your lenses. The reason I wasn't going for 70d is i don't really need video which the 70d is great for according to reviews. Though like you I will have to keep my ef-s style lenses for 500d. However I do have 2 EF lenses which is why I'm going for 6d.
 
Been looking at WEX and Jessops for the 6D is around £1900. If I go with Jessops, I'll get quite a few things free including Lightroom 5 and PS Elements 11.

I don't use the 75-300mm lens much.

I wouldn't mind knowing if the 6D would be worth it?
 
6D is a good lens and gets good feedback on low light abilities.
If it is mostly for street and landscape, don't be afraid to pick up a 2nd hand 5D2. Full frame, ideal for your situation but holds back all important pennies for lens(es) to go with it.

FF will eat the best lens you can through at them.
 
Having said that I don't use the 75-300mm lens much, I do use it in Scotland when I'm taking photos of Otters and birdlife, and the occasional bird at home. But I'd rather have a better lens than that one.
 
Look at DigitalRev, Hdew cameras and Panamoz you'll get it alot cheaper than £1900 and if you have that kinda money on those websites you could get a canon 5d mkIII though no option to spread the cost or any lenses :oops: :$. Also Wex have a trade in if you wanna get rid of lenses and 450d, plus an extra £150 trade in value and with my 500d that was rated at £120+£150 plus anything for kit lens and other ef-s lens could be quite a deal.
 
Tintin124 said:
Look at DigitalRev, Hdew cameras and Panamoz you'll get it alot cheaper than £1900 and if you have that kinda money on those websites you could get a canon 5d mkIII though no option to spread the cost or any lenses :oops: :$. Also Wex have a trade in if you wanna get rid of lenses and 450d, plus an extra £150 trade in value and with my 500d that was rated at £120+£150 plus anything for kit lens and other ef-s lens could be quite a deal.
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I've just searched for Canon 6d and DigitalRev popped up from a post yesterday in the Prices Check. I'm just a little sceptical from ordering from the same country as where I got my terrible Sigma wide angle from.
I do like their Youtube videos though :)
I've bookmarked their website.
 
Do a search on forums here for all 3 companies everyone ravs about them... Hdew is UK based and yes they are grey imports but at the end of the day all cameras are imports (Wont find a canon, Sony, Nikon made in UK). They also offer a 3 year warranty which is backed up to official canon repairers
 
Just trying to save a Forum member some precious cash and potential to buy more camera stuff... better lenses etc :banana:Its up to you at end of the day but I know what I'm going to do when I finally have cash to upgrade.
 
The 24-105 is a well touted lens.
Makes a great walkabout lens and 24mm on FF is ideal for most landscapes.
F4 throughout the zoom range and IS built in.
You can't really go far wrong with it.
 
Dael_Pix said:
How good is the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens?

These seem like the cheaper alternative http://panamoz.com/index.php/canon-eos-6d-digital-camera-with-canon-ef24105-l-is-usm-kit.html
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I've got a 24-105 and I recently got a 24-70 f2.8 II, to partner a 70-200 f2.8L IS II, but I'm not inclined to get rid of the 24-105 'cause it's a great lens. The link to Panamoz for the 6D and 24-105 would be a cracking buy. The ISO ability of the 6D would still give you great shots with the f4. I can highly recommend Panamoz, I got my 24-70 from them the other week, as I've used them a few times in the past. You can save a bit by paying by BACS, I've paid that way a few times and it's safe (maybe worrying the first time though), and delivery is usually within a week. Warranty work is also handled well, I had a lens break and I had a new replacement delivered in just 11 days from when I first contacted them. I'm sure there'll be other come on and go on about import duty and tax evasion and legally you are responsible for it, but if you get any charges contact Panamoz and they will refund you the charges in a short while (my charges were refunded in less than 10 minutes just before christmas) so the website price is all you pay.
 
There has been a lot of talk on here suggesting the OP buy a grey import from Panamoz/DR etc. whilst I agree yes, savings can be made, upto now that is all that's been said, no mention of the things to watch for.
My first point is this is not about the right or wrongs or legalities, just the facts. I have dealt with Panamoz before and would again if the price was right. HDEW are UK based so shouldn't have this issue

1. Before buying, you need to be aware that any warranty is with the seller and not Canon UK. Therefore if you need any repairs, you will need to send it to them, it at least get authority from them. This is OK whilst they are still operating

2. They avoid tax and import duties, due to the descriptions they use, however there have been cases recently when HMRC have levied charges, granted Panamoz have repayed these quickly, don't know about DR. So you may need some extra cash in the short term, to get your new toys.

3. Canon UK won't touch them. I saw another post from the OP about becoming a pro photographer. If this is the case and you are going to build a collection of Canon equipment, imports wouldn't count towards CPA membership which gives faster repair times and other benefits

Like I've said I'm not going to start a battle on rights or wrongs. From reading through the post it just read that buying grey was the best way, I just wanted make the OP aware that whilst he may save a couple of hundred quid, there are other things to consider

Edit: CS3 cannot read RAW files from the 6D http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1170956
Options are buy from the UK and get LR5 and elements (worth about £180) or get an Adobe CC membership (currently on offer at £8.78) this includes LR5 and CS6
 
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Thank you for you input Chris, but I'm just not paying £1900+ for a camera and lens when I can buy them cheaper.
I may consider buying Lightroom 5, but I'm not planning on paying a subscription for PS6. And there are other programs out there cheaper than PS6 :)
 
Dael_Pix said:
Thank you for you input Chris, but I'm just not paying £1900+ for a camera and lens when I can buy them cheaper.
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Well, if money is tight, why not just steal one? Should be pretty straightforward if you go along to a photographers' meet. You might even be able to get a 5D Mk III instead if you're lucky.
 
Based on your budget the only options you have if you want a half decent lens to me is

2nd hand 5D mk1 or
2nd hand 5D mk2

The former with a 24-105 will cost less than £1000
The later option with the same lens will cost you approx £1300 (condition dependant)
 
Nah think I'll stick with the 6D.
I'm not buying 2nd hand.

I only have problem with money at the moment is because I'm out of work because I was made redundant. Thankfully I can go back to the company when I'm in better health.

I thought I might have to buy a UV filter, but I already have a 77mm filter :)
 
Dael_Pix said:
Thank you for you input Chris, but I'm just not paying £1900+ for a camera and lens when I can buy them cheaper.
I may consider buying Lightroom 5, but I'm not planning on paying a subscription for PS6. And there are other programs out there cheaper than PS6 :)
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Your choice at the end of the day, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the negatives.
 
I don't think I can use CS3 with the 6D. I downloaded Lightroom 5, so I'm trying that again. I didn't like it the last time I tried it.

What connection does the shutter remote have on the 6D ?
 
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The latest version of the Camera Raw plugin I can find on the Adobe site (for CS3) is:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4040
Which supports the 5D but not the 6D

If you want to continue with CS3, grab the DNG converter I linked above (it does support the 6D). It converts batches of raw files to .dng (digital negative). You will need to select the CR4.1 option on the second dialogue, but other than that, it should happily convert the 6D RAW files to .dng files that the CS3 version of Camera Raw will open.

Of course, you will find that newer software will have more features. Amazon quite often do offers on LR & PSE, so you could wait for those to be on offer and replace/compliment CS3.
 
Also with a new Canon camera you will get the dpp software which is a very good raw converter so could convert to tiff and then edit in cs3
 
If you don't want blunt, skip this one. If you are genuinely interested in improving your photography, read it.

A new camera and lens will not improve your photography. You really need to practice, study, practice, put some effort in, learn your subjects, learn about light, practice and keep learning.

There's no point in taking crap pictures with amazing IQ. Buy better gear the first time you can objectively blame the biggest fault in your images on your camera.
 
Phil V said:
A new camera and lens will not improve your photography. You really need to practice, study, practice, put some effort in, learn your subjects, learn about light, practice and keep learning.
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:agree: There's good logic in what Phil says.

I have been through the upgrade process, and have now probably arrived at the 'end stop', having gone from a 300D, to a 30D, then a 7D, and now a 5D Mklll and a set of L lenses.

Did I enjoy using the more advanced gear, definitely yes.

Did each upgrade make me a better photographer, definitely not.

A well practiced photographer with a 450D or less, will produce far better pictures, than a less read and practised photographer with a High End camera,

Am I still learning, too right I am, and if I knew all the answers, there would be no challenge, and I would get bored.

Don't forget, if you have Canon EF_S, or Sigma DC lenses, they won't be any good for the full fame 6D.

Dave
 
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Reality check. An upgrade of all your gear to full frame would require (for the same focal length range with better IQ):
17-40 L
24-105 L
100-400 L or maybe a150-500 Sigma

That's a couple of grands worth of lenses for sharper pictures.
 
Phil V said:
Reality check. An upgrade of all your gear to full frame would require (for the same focal length range with better IQ):
17-40 L
24-105 L
100-400 L or maybe a150-500 Sigma

That's a couple of grands worth of lenses for sharper pictures.
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Why stop there Phil ;) if it's all about the gear, throw in

canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS USM ii
Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L USM ii

There's another 3 1/2 grand :p
 
ChrisHeathcote said:
Why stop there Phil ;) if it's all about the gear, throw in

canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS USM ii
Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L USM ii

There's another 3 1/2 grand :p
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I was keeping it minimal, a WA zoom, a std zoom and a telezoom. Which is what the OP currently has. I also avoided 2.8 or faster lenses as he has no expressed need.

I really was going for the 'sensible' option.
If there's anything at all sensible about this thread. :banana:

Of course if we were aiming for 'professional' the OP should look into a Phase One or Hasselblad system, rather than these 'Micky mouse' miniature cameras. ;)
 
I'm just not saying anything. But someone on a different forum (now closed down) They said that I should upgrade to a full frame because if I'm thinking of putting photos on stock websites and
selling photos, I should upgrade to a full frame.

If/when I do upgrade I'll stay with the 24-105mm lens for quite a while until I'm confident using that lens. I'll then consider a different lens.

I was watching this video and I'm curious what connector I would need to connect a shutter controller with? Because the plug looks big for what I have. (Start video at 15:07)
 
Dael_Pix said:
I'm just not saying anything. But someone on a different forum (now closed down) They said that I should upgrade to a full frame because if I'm thinking of putting photos on stock websites and
selling photos, I should upgrade to a full frame.

If/when I do upgrade I'll stay with the 24-105mm lens for quite a while until I'm confident using that lens. I'll then consider a different lens.

I was watching this video and I'm curious what connector I would need to connect a shutter controller with? Because the plug looks big for what I have. (Start video at 15:07)
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Did they not also mention shooting quality stuff that people will be prepared to pay for?

I'm trying to be nice, but selling photos isn't about taking pictures with decent gear. It's about understanding a market, shooting to satisfy that market and only at that point will the quality of your gear matter.
There are thousands of people in front of you who already understand the market and are shooting successfully, you seem to think that just having the gear will enable you to compete.

Spend your time and your money practicing and researching. Then, when you're certain you understand how much money you could make, equip a business.

Because thats what you're proposing, equipping a business. Its a cold light of day decision.

If you were a rich bloke buying toys, I'd say 'get yourself forward, it's your money'. But you're not that, you're planning to buy stuff to make you money, that starts with research and business planning.
 
What lenses can I use on a full frame camera body?
I want to use the camera for mostly landscape. But I'm considering doing a little street photography, and might want start taking portraits at some point.
Also is the 50mm lens worth buying, and would I be able to use it for landscapes.[/quote]

Sigma calls their newer full frame compatible lenses 'DG', and the crop camera only lenses 'DC'.
Canon refers to full frame lenses as EF, and the crop lenses as EF-S.

If you mean the Canon 50mm 1.8, it's cheap as chips, fast and discrete. IQ seems decent, but it's plasticky and rattly- so if you're looking for pro use you might want to spend a bit more. Of course you could use it for a year and flog it- probably only lose £20!
 
Phil V said:
Did they not also mention shooting quality stuff that people will be prepared to pay for?

selling photos isn't about taking pictures with decent gear. It's about understanding a market, shooting to satisfy that market and only at that point will the quality of your gear matter.

you seem to think that just having the gear will enable you to compete.
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1. Probably
2. I already know
3. Eh? No I'm not thinking this!
 
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