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Does anyone else feel that this system overhaul has been nothing but trouble since installing? In terms of poor performance, hassle and overall bad experience?

I'm really wanting to downgrade back to the good old days (snow leopard), lion seems to be a huge memory hogger.

I'm having a real moan about it right now, I literally have to downgrade, winds me up like a top!
 
parker455 said:
Does anyone else feel that this system overhaul has been nothing but trouble since installing? In terms of poor performance, hassle and overall bad experience?

I'm really wanting to downgrade back to the good old days (snow leopard), lion seems to be a huge memory hogger.

I'm having a real moan about it right now, I literally have to downgrade, winds me up like a top!
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I've had no issues on my Mac Pro or Macbook Pro, I've installed it on one of the kids MacBooks and just bought a Macbook Air which came with it. I've not had any of these problems.... Could it be something else like maybe a software package you are using needs updating? CS4/5, Little Snitch and several others have Lion versions.
 
I've run Lion on my MBP without any real problems. However I have had to return to Snowy as I have two critical apps that are written for PPC and with no Rosetta Stone support in Lion they don't work. Plus a small bug in the Lion software makes running another App inconvenient, I'm hopping for a upgrade soon.

iMac is still on Snowy due to these difficulties. Don't think I'm missing out on anything though
 
When I first installed it, just after release, Safari kept on crashing on me, and the whole thing seemed to slow down. And then one day it all seemed to sort it self out!
Maybe double check everything is upgraded as it should be, see if thats it :shrug:
 
Running Lion on both my iMac and old black MacBook with no problems. The Macbook can sometimes struggle doing intensive tasks since it only has 4GB ram, but it's not an issue if you keep an eye on what program's you have running.

The upgrades to mail, trackpad and mission control were worth it for me.

As for running snow leopard, that's fair enough. But I really wouldn't just for the sake of PPC and Rosetta support.

Developers have had years to make their apps universal, if they haven't by now, then they probably won't. And Apple will certainly never add PPC support back in to osx.

If it were me I would just bite the bullet and start looking for more up to date alternatives. :)
 
Running 10.7.2 on a MBP and iMac, I haven't had any issues. I did wait for the .2 version though. I also made sure all my apps were up to date where possible.
 
Lion has been ok for me. Brand new machine with it on already though so I don't know whether it is more ropey from an upgrade. It seems to need 4GB+ of memory ideally if you want to run things like firefox, thunderbird and tweetdeck and have room left for starting other things. With 8gb it seems a lot better.

I don't use the mission control. Removed it off the dock. I don't see what use it is. Don't use the dashboard widget thing either. I much prefer tiger. Less crud I don't need.
 
The only real problem that I e had with Lion is that AFP access to my Network drive broke.

That's on 2010 iMac and 2007 MacBook.
 
I too had problems with Lion when I first installed it. I found the answer was to reinstall it, I have never had a problem since.
 
I should probs fork out and get the 8GB ram, but with snow leopard everything runs as it should, boot times faster and overall experience was less hassle.

I'm almost certain I'm going to downgrade, it's got to be done.
 
parker455 said:
I should probs fork out and get the 8GB ram, but with snow leopard everything runs as it should, boot times faster and overall experience was less hassle.

I'm almost certain I'm going to downgrade, it's got to be done.
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Or you could try and find the problem....

What software are you installing and what devices have you added?
 
Boot time shouldn't be an issue. You leave them on and put them to sleep when you're not using them :)

I'd check the console logs to see if there's something in there it is whinging about.
 
I'll give it a try,

And various apps that I didn't realise how much I relied on, namely the power pc ones, even canons eos utility doesn't work with lion!
 
parker455 said:
I'll give it a try,

And various apps that I didn't realise how much I relied on, namely the power pc ones, even canons eos utility doesn't work with lion!
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It seems Canon may have a suitable version available " In the first quarter of 2012". According to the canon web site. Not sure which models of cameras it will support. My 5D mk1 won't work with Lightroom tethered with Lion as the Canon driver for it needs Rosetta. 1Ds lll is fine. Hence the reversion to Snowy
 
parker455 said:
I'll give it a try,

And various apps that I didn't realise how much I relied on, namely the power pc ones, even canons eos utility doesn't work with lion!
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parker455 said:
I'll give it a try,

And various apps that I didn't realise how much I relied on, namely the power pc ones, even canons eos utility doesn't work with lion!
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This is the main reason people stop at Snow Leopard i.e. lack of Rosetta!

The thing is that lots of the applications people are still using Rosetta for are available in Intel form if you go to the site and check. I've switched to Lion across the board although the Mac Pro Quad boots Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion and W7 :D

If you have a particular problem app post what it is and people may well have an alternative.
 
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As for running snow leopard, that's fair enough. But I really wouldn't just for the sake of PPC and Rosetta support.

Developers have had years to make their apps universal, if they haven't by now, then they probably won't. And Apple will certainly never add PPC support back in to osx.

If it were me I would just bite the bullet and start looking for more up to date alternatives. :)
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Sometimes there aren't more up to date alternatives, and for those "in the business" who need to use a very specific piece of software you can't just sweep aside the fact that the support simply isn't there. I speak from experience of my better half who without a Rosetta capable OS on his MBP couldn't do his music production work for college.

I do agree with your point in principle though, developers should just stop being so lazy... but the reality is a very different thing.
 
I'm running it on a 2005 MacBook that has 2GB RAM max, apart from the issue of USB drives disconnecting themselves for no reason even in use, I've had no speed issues at all :)
 
You must have a time travelling macbook, considering they were invented in 2006 :P
 
It's madness, really winds me up. I'm likely going to downgrade in the near future, lion is proving too much hassle to bother keeping.

Anybody have the issue with video playback, where there's a massive delay in playing videos? Namely on sites like Vimeo and YouTube.
 
parker455 said:
It's madness, really winds me up. I'm likely going to downgrade in the near future, lion is proving too much hassle to bother keeping.

Anybody have the issue with video playback, where there's a massive delay in playing videos? Namely on sites like Vimeo and YouTube.
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No not me. But that could be caused by any number of things. Have you tried a different browser? Have you checked your router setup or any problems with your ISP? Tried reinstalling flash?
 
I had a similar problem which lasted for ages. It ended up being my service provider's RUBBISH RUBBISH DNS. Sky's for one is notoriously BAD!!

To fix it simply REPLACE the DNS number on each computer with 8.8.8.8 which is google's DNS server. This totally transformed my connection.
 
It's not the ISP, it's lion itself. If I'm aware it's something to do with flash not being integrated fully with it.
 
parker455 said:
It's not the ISP, it's lion itself. If I'm aware it's something to do with flash not being integrated fully with it.
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I honestly want to help you, but somehow I feel I am wasting my breath.

Flash works fine on osx lion. If it was an inherent flaw with lion than every person running lion would be in uproar about unuseable macs.

You need to trouble shoot this issue to resolve it. This is where you start with the simplest solutions first working your way back to the bigger ones until the issue is identified. I've offered you the first things to try above, there are multiple things to try before blaming the OS.

But hey if you want to downgrade without even trying, you go for it.
 
iamchrisphoto said:
I honestly want to help you, but somehow I feel I am wasting my breath.

Flash works fine on osx lion. If it was an inherent flaw with lion than every person running lion would be in uproar about unuseable macs.

You need to trouble shoot this issue to resolve it. This is where you start with the simplest solutions first working your way back to the bigger ones until the issue is identified. I've offered you the first things to try above, there are multiple things to try before blaming the OS.

But hey if you want to downgrade without even trying, you go for it.
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I've repaired all the disk permissions etc but I feel it's a wasted upgrade.

Cheers anyway.
 
Have you got a bluetooth mouse and keyboard? I know there is an issue with lion with it going slowly if you don't switch everything back on in the right order.
 
parker455 said:
I've repaired all the disk permissions etc but I feel it's a wasted upgrade.

Cheers anyway.
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Ok fine good luck. Just a note for the future, disk permission repair does absolutely nothing for issues like this. The name says it all. All it does is correct permissions relating to the access of files, and ensure the system has correct access to the files it needs. Your problem has nothing todo with file permissions.
 
I haven't upgraded yet. This worries me, as I only got 4gb, and can't have any more.

Two things I found can slow down the system (10.6) quite a lot. It really hates when there is less than 20GB free space on the disk. I don't know why but after I moved a few folders to external disk it really got better. Secondly, the time machine does seem to slow it down a lot. Make sure it is not backing up anything unnecessary, like temporary folders (loads of them everywhere, PS and LR have a couple).

Have a look at the system monitor. Is anything using lots of CPU? Any memory hogs?

I am considering a SSD upgrade (will carry that over to new MBP) as conventional disks are just as bad as few years ago, and definitely the slowest component of all.

Definitelly get max RAM permissible for your system.
 
The 500Gb seagate drives with addition flash ram work a treat, that is what I have on this MBP, also this MBP has 6Gb.. I have full SSD on the MBA but it is a different generation so I can't really compare. Next purchase is a 17" MBP with SSD to replace my current one.

Never had any issues with flash other than iPlayer didn't work at one point so I downloaded the latest version 11.1 (I think) and installed it at which point it has been fine.

No inherent issues at all.
 
Lion changed in that all systems that could support booting in 64 bit mode would do by default. With snow leopard the default was 32 bit mode for the vast majority of macs

On my old iMac (early 2009 model) it seemed sluggish in comparison to my macbook (late 2007 model) - Apps taking an age to open and just generally being slow even though I'd maxed out the RAM to 8 Gigs. It turned out that Lion was still booting the kernel in 32bit mode on my MacBook (as expected as it only has a 32bit EFI), but the iMac was booting into 64bit mode. A quick fiddle with the terminal to tell the iMac to always boot in 32 bit mode cured all my problems and restored the snappyness of snow leopard. Counter intuitive I know, but that's how it was - a night and day difference

I've just got hold of a new core i5 iMac and that, to be expected, simply flies in 64 bit mode.
 
Slaphead said:
Lion changed in that all systems that could support booting in 64 bit mode would do by default. With snow leopard the default was 32 bit mode for the vast majority of macs

On my old iMac (early 2009 model) it seemed sluggish in comparison to my macbook (late 2007 model) - Apps taking an age to open and just generally being slow even though I'd maxed out the RAM to 8 Gigs. It turned out that Lion was still booting the kernel in 32bit mode on my MacBook (as expected as it only has a 32bit EFI), but the iMac was booting into 64bit mode. A quick fiddle with the terminal to tell the iMac to always boot in 32 bit mode cured all my problems and restored the snappyness of snow leopard. Counter intuitive I know, but that's how it was - a night and day difference

I've just got hold of a new core i5 iMac and that, to be expected, simply flies in 64 bit mode.
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One of my "top tips" shows how to force Snow Leopard to boot in 64bit for anything capable :D
 
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