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Hi all,

need some help getting my head round what would be a good mirrorless system...

my list of requirements are as follows.

- 1.6 crop factor
- EVF
- short fast prime (i love my 35mm on FF)
- i like the old school look, dials rather than buttons.
- it will have to be sub £800 for both lens and body.
- Raw capable

It will be an occasional camera so battery grips etc are not important, a tilt swivel flash would be great if available.

Cheers Lee
 
Fuji... Sony... Samsung. Not sure about prices though and you're not considering MFT?

Personally for APS-C I'd go for Sony as one thing which I'm having difficulty accepting the idea of with the Fuji is the low max raw ISO. Even my MFT GX7 gives an acceptable raw ISO 25,600 and I don't think I'd want to be limited by the Fuji max raw or having to shoot JPEG.
 
im open to MFT however never used them and not knowing any limitations etc i am not wanting to spend what is to me a decent chunk of change for a system i dont feel comfortable with.
 
woof woof said:
Fuji... Sony... Samsung. Not sure about prices though and you're not considering MFT?

Personally for APS-C I'd go for Sony as one thing which I'm having difficulty accepting the idea of with the Fuji is the low max raw ISO. Even my MFT GX7 gives an acceptable raw ISO 25,600 and I don't think I'd want to be limited by the Fuji max raw or having to shoot JPEG.
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Ive had a think about this and with the smaller sensors when would you ever really shoot above 6400, Im pretty loathed to even shoot a FF at that kind of ISO by choice. If its just to get the shot the Fuji could always do it in Jpeg.
 
i don't think i really shoot at that ISO with the 5D2. however i was doing wedding photography and you just had to. This is why i don't mind having a hot shoe flash on the mirrorless system. its going to be used for candids of family and some landscape photography too.
 
I'd go for a Fuji X-E2 + 23mm for that budget (or X100S/T)

For a bit more money there is the X-T10, same sensor and EVF but better focusing.
 
JYC said:
I'd go for a Fuji X-E2 + 23mm for that budget (or X100S/T)

For a bit more money there is the X-T10, same sensor and EVF but better focusing.
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What he said :) - second hand 23mm goes for around £400, an XE-2 s/h just as much or for £499 get the X-T10 - absolutely great camera.

If you can cope with the fixed lens then X100S can be hand for less than £500 or for a couple hundrend more you can get the T . For my taste though I prefer the flexibility of the other options.
 
i will look into these options, I don't wan t a fixed lens at all.
 
twist said:
Ive had a think about this and with the smaller sensors when would you ever really shoot above 6400, Im pretty loathed to even shoot a FF at that kind of ISO by choice. If its just to get the shot the Fuji could always do it in Jpeg.
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I shoot above 6400 for reasons of aperture and depth of field.

When limited to 6400 you may also be limited to f1.4 or so and unacceptably thin DoF but if higher ISO's are available there may well be a chance of shooting with a smaller aperture and getting some DoF.

I don't shoot JPEG and haven't for years and in the sort of situation in which higher ISO's are required I'd much rather shoot raw and have the option of a more flexible format raw to work on for basic things like WB and NR.

Each to their own and we all have to make the choices which are best for us but personally I'd much rather have higher ISO's and raw options available.
 
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33L said:
im open to MFT however never used them and not knowing any limitations etc i am not wanting to spend what is to me a decent chunk of change for a system i dont feel comfortable with.
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If you've tried Fuji and Samsung then fair enough but if you haven't tried any of them maybe you could add MFT to the list of systems to try.
 
woof woof said:
I shoot above 6400 for reasons of aperture and depth of field.

When limited to 6400 you may also be limited to f1.4 or so and unacceptably thin DoF but if higher ISO's are available there may well be a chance of shooting with a smaller aperture and getting some DoF.

I don't shoot JPEG and haven't for years and in the sort of situation in which higher ISO's are required I'd much rather shoot raw and have the option of a more flexible format raw to work on for basic things like WB and NR.

Each to their own and we all have to make the choices which are best for us but personally I'd much rather have higher ISO's and raw options available.
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I know what you are saying, for the budget i hope not to be restrained really by ISO -, i doubt i will be. and totally agree on the flexibility of raw, i dont think i have shot jpg since entering the dslr market.

woof woof said:
If you've tried Fuji and Samsung then fair enough but if you haven't tried any of them maybe you could add MFT to the list of systems to try.
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not tried any MFT to be fair, however i think i am starting to lean to the fuji line of cameras. its honestly going to have to be trying them side by side at some point taking some sample shots and comparing them.
 
MFT has almost the same size sensor as aps-c. Except aps-c is a long thin firmat which means the lenses need to be disproportionately larger to reach the corners.
 
If you like the old skool look, the Fuji Xpro1 with the 18 & 27mm lens can be had for £623.00 new. You could add other lenses later if you like the system or pick up a 35mm f1.4 now and sell the 27mm lens, which should bring you below budget if the 35mm is bought secondhand. You can get the 35mm SH for around the £200-230 mark.

I have had the XE-1, Xpro1 & XT1 and for your budget the Xpro is a good deal. Also, some prefer the output from the older sensors compared to the newer XT's. If you want the speed go for a XT, if not go for the Xpro. The XT will be the closest to a DSLR for AF, otherwise the XPro slows you down and makes you consider your shots more. It did for me!

linky > http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/fujifilm-xpro-1-18mm-f2-xf-27mm-f2-8-xf-with-trade-up-offer.html
 
Swanseajack said:
If you like the old skool look, the Fuji Xpro1 with the 18 & 27mm lens can be had for £623.00 new. You could add other lenses later if you like the system or pick up a 35mm f1.4 now and sell the 27mm lens, which should bring you below budget if the 35mm is bought secondhand. You can get the 35mm SH for around the £200-230 mark.

I have had the XE-1, Xpro1 & XT1 and for your budget the Xpro is a good deal. Also, some prefer the output from the older sensors compared to the newer XT's. If you want the speed go for a XT, if not go for the Xpro. The XT will be the closest to a DSLR for AF, otherwise the XPro slows you down and makes you consider your shots more. It did for me!

linky > http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/fujifilm-xpro-1-18mm-f2-xf-27mm-f2-8-xf-with-trade-up-offer.html
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cheers for that.

there is a 23mm in the classifieds that im tempted to put an offer in for and that may sort me for a lens. Been looking at XT10 and XE2 models too. do you have any opinions on those. the x-pro 1 is in my list just making sure im not missing anything obvious.
 
33L said:
cheers for that.

there is a 23mm in the classifieds that im tempted to put an offer in for and that may sort me for a lens. Been looking at XT10 and XE2 models too. do you have any opinions on those. the x-pro 1 is in my list just making sure im not missing anything obvious.
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I have used the XE1 but not the 2, the XE1 was slow at the time which was not far after release, they have come on a fair bit since, with Firmware updates and the newer models. The Xt10 has only just been realesed, so not used, a few people on here have them so hopefully they will chip in. It's basically a dumbed down version of the XT1.

I loved my Xpro1, but for me at the time I mostly used zooms I didnt get on with the EVF, it was affecting my eye. It's also got an OVF which was fine using primes, me changing to to the XT1 was for the better EVF for the zooms. The Xt1 is a fantastic camera and I will buy again when finances allow. I sold up and gone back to Nikon with the D750 for the longer lens availability as Fuji have delayed their long zoom by twelve months, I wouldn't have changed otherwise.

If I had the money I would buy the XT1 just for the EVF, otherwise coming into a system the Xpro1 deal is a good offer, for a camera which was a almost couple of grand a few years ago. As it's an occasional camera you need to weigh up if the extra cost of the XT1 is worth it.
 
i think xt1 would suit me down to the ground, its not much bigger and has the extra bells and whistles as well. However i cant justify the exta cost right now but i think after checking a few review and vids etc... im looking at possibly an xt10. As you say its an occasional camera. if i get serious about things again, there is no reason not to look at the xt1 in the future but i honestly think i would settle quite happily with the xt10.
 
Bodies come and go but lenses will keep working (and retain value) so get started with a cheaper body in case it doesn't stick :)
 
Aww, they made up...

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Don't have to choose between them any more!
 
You can pick up a used x pro 1 for under £250 now, used x-e1 for around £150 or the faster (with better evf refresh rate and faster operation) x-e2 for under £300 used now :) Bargains, all of them! If you don't need a viewfinder then the x-m1 can be had used for £150 or the Bayer sensor x-a1 for closer to £100.

The x-t1 or x-t10 have the newest AF, and will balance better with the bigger lenses however.
 
33L said:
im open to MFT however never used them and not knowing any limitations etc i am not wanting to spend what is to me a decent chunk of change for a system i dont feel comfortable with.
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For info, MFT has a crop factor of 2.
 
Like Swansejack I've tried quite a few Fuji's now. I've had the X-Pro1 X-A1 X-M1 X-E1 X-E2 X-T1 and X-T10. With what I know of the Fuji system, if faced with having to choose again for all types of photography the X-T's would be my first choice. They are simply so much faster and offer the best experience. There really is very little to set apart the X-T10 from the X-T1. Next choice would be the X-E2 which may well come closer again to the performance after it's next scheduled firmware upgrade later this year. The A1 and the M1 don't have a viewfinder and I couldn't live with that all the time. The X-E1 and X-Pro1 are superb value, but personally I would only choose these as second bodies or landscape only cameras (or perhaps as bodies for legacy lenses)
 
something has sold me on the xt1. I don't think its just one thing but a combination of stuff. For sure it isn't the price. However for what you do get I think its well priced.

I have already acquired a 23mm to match my 35mm that I had on FF. It will probably be my mainstay lens. Down the line maybe the 53mm or 90mm as those lengths are what I have been used to when on FF, 85mm and 135mm I believe. I doubt I will go macro or ultra wide.
 
It's a cracking camera and I think you have made the right decision. It may replace your DSLR in time, as it has for a lot of people, so having the newest and upto date camera makes sense.
 
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