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i know a lot of you on here use models and you are able to get them from different places on the web :)

i was just wondering what kind of agreement you have with them!

do you have to pay them, do they pay you?

do they have to pay you if they would like some of the images you took of them?

i just wondered really! :)


Robyn :)
 
I doubt if you'll get too many situations where the photographer gets paid by the model for the shoot unless of course you are talking about a regular portait shoot or something like that.

Usually it will be the photographer paying the model for their time and the photographer will be able to do what they want with the images after the shoot. Alternatively, if both the model and photographer are after the experience and shots to fill a portfolio then they could agree that no money changes hands but the photographer will provide some images printed or on a CD.

Try some modelling sites like purestorm or modelmayhem and the models will be sorted in to paid work or time for prints.
 
I bury mine under the patio...no comebacks...



Seriously: I always pay the model - even those who work TFP/CD - the model is the employee, the photographer is the employer...after all you contacted them, not the other way round (and if they did then not all of this applies).

Normal work practice dictates proper breaks and supplying food/refreshments if it's an all-day shoot. If you're asking the model to be in a cold/wet environment (like doing an 'Ophelia' shoot in a weedy cress-stream - I've been there...lol) then supplying a warm change of clothing for between set-ups is required...

Just because you book a model for three hours, don't expect three hours of solid shooting. Time has to be factored for make-up, changes and breaks - the Model's clock starts the moment she walks in the studio or if you're doing a location shoot, from the moment you and she (it could be a 'he' but for the sake of argument we'll assume a female model) meet.
You need time to discuss the shoot in detail if that hasn't already been done by phone or email...
Sit down and chat between set-ups...engage with your model - she's not a vase and if she feels a valued part of the image-making process you will get better images...

I also give FOC a CD of my selection of finished images - not unedited as some phots do...those images may be used on her model page - do you really want the whole world to see your unedited images? Barking...
 
GSDlover4ever said:
thanks both of you :)

i am waiting for purestorm to accept me :)

then hopefully i will be able to contact some photographers in my area and see if they are able to take some shots of me :)
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I think you'll find someone pretty quick - just be sure it not just a GWC - Guy with a Camera - there are some dodgy characters out there still...

Did you get no luck with anyone on here? :(
 
Arkady said:
I think you'll find someone pretty quick - just be sure it not just a GWC - Guy with a Camera - there are some dodgy characters out there still...

Did you get no luck with anyone on here? :(
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i'm not really sure who to ask to be honest!

i got some offers but they are miles and miles away! :(

i'm hopeing to go with a photographer who has experieence and has possitive feedback from clients - just to be on the safe side :)

i have seen a few togs near me, that i like, i'm just waiting for the site to accept me! :bang:
 
GSDlover4ever said:
i'm not really sure who to ask to be honest!

i got some offers but they are miles and miles away! :(

i'm hopeing to go with a photographer who has experieence and has possitive feedback from clients - just to be on the safe side :)

i have seen a few togs near me, that i like, i'm just waiting for the site to accept me! :bang:
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Jeez...I'm sure someone would travel a bit...most of us like to help each other out with all kinds of stuff - look at all the wonderful help I've been getting lately - and it'll be reciprocated in full when I get home...

PS is a good resource though...I found my own 'Muse' there after a short search...
 
Might be a good idea to post something in the photo sharing forums below.

If you are new to this, most models and photographers start off building a portfolio with TFCD/TFP arrangements. Both parties give Time in return For a CD of images, otherwise known as Time For Photos/Pictures.

The unwritten understanding is that both parties give their time and skills equally to create the work, and both can then do whatever they like with the pictures. However, be aware that as a default position all rights to the images belong to the photographer and that legally the model is not actually allowed to do anything with them without the photographer's permission.

Legally, the model is not even allowed to make a print to give to their mum and there have been a couple of examples recently on here where the lack of a written agreement has lead to major misunderstandings and grief. It is much better to agree something in writing ahead of the shoot.

The photographer will want a signed model release form which normally just spells out the legal position, but there should also be provision for the photographer to issue the model with a license to use the pictures in certain agreed ways. Common pitfalls are when the model sends pictures out which are subsequently published by a third party without any payment or credit to the photographer. Equally, the model will want some assurance that pictures will not be published anywhere in a derogatory context. Best to spell all this out before hand. Things can always be changed later by the issue of another license, which can be agreed (or not!) depending on new circumstances.

With new model/photographer arrangements it is important to meet up informally before the shoot, agree a rough outline of the session plus dos and don'ts. On the day, it is also strongly advisable for both the model and photographer to take a friend or relative along.

TFCD arrangements are very popular and usually work out just fine for all concerned. Just be sensible.
 
HoppyUK said:
Might be a good idea to post something in the photo sharing forums below.

If you are new to this, most models and photographers start off building a portfolio with TFCD/TFP arrangements. Both parties give Time in return For a CD of images, otherwise known as Time For Photos/Pictures.

The unwritten understanding is that both parties give their time and skills equally to create the work, and both can then do whatever they like with the pictures. However, be aware that as a default position all rights to the images belong to the photographer and that legally the model is not actually allowed to do anything with them without the photographer's permission.

Legally, the model is not even allowed to make a print to give to their mum and there have been a couple of examples recently on here where the lack of a written agreement has lead to major misunderstandings and grief. It is much better to agree something in writing ahead of the shoot.

The photographer will want a signed model release form which normally just spells out the legal position, but there should also be provision for the photographer to issue the model with a license to use the pictures in certain agreed ways. Common pitfalls are when the model sends pictures out which are subsequently published by a third party without any payment or credit to the photographer. Equally, the model will want some assurance that pictures will not be published anywhere in a derogatory context. Best to spell all this out before hand. Things can always be changed later by the issue of another license, which can be agreed (or not!) depending on new circumstances.

With new model/photographer arrangements it is important to meet up informally before the shoot, agree a rough outline of the session plus dos and don'ts. On the day, it is also strongly advisable for both the model and photographer to take a friend or relative along.

TFCD arrangements are very popular and usually work out just fine for all concerned. Just be sensible.
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thanks for that it was really helpfull :)

it more trickier than i thought!
 
GSDlover4ever said:
thanks for that it was really helpfull :)

it more trickier than i thought!
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You're welcome :)

It needn't be difficult if both parties are clear about a) what kind of pictures they want, b) what they want to do with them, and c) what they don't want the other party to do with them without prior agreement (which may be refused of course).

You don't need complicated forms full of bewildering legalese. They might sound impressive but simple, clear language is rather better IMHO. A model release form actually has no official legal status - it's just a form of words and any form will do so long as it's clear and unambiguous.

Key points - the agreement needs to identify the photos specifically in terms of photographer, model, time and place. If nothing else is agreed, all rights belong to the photographer so the important bit for the model is to add something about what they are allowed to do with the images and if necessary specify what they don't want the photographer to do with them.

Ideally, none of this should be a problem for either side, bearing in mind that the whole idea of TFCD is mutual cooperation for mutual benefit. TBH if any of these things cause problems then maybe you need to think about doing things differently, with one party paying the other in return for whatever terms they need. It usually works quite smoothly though; run through it in the pre-shoot chat and you'll pretty soon get an idea if things are going to be tricky, in which case, just leave it there.
 
Arkady said:
I bury mine under the patio...no comebacks...



Seriously: I always pay the model - even those who work TFP/CD - the model is the employee, the photographer is the employer...after all you contacted them, not the other way round (and if they did then not all of this applies).

Normal work practice dictates proper breaks and supplying food/refreshments if it's an all-day shoot. If you're asking the model to be in a cold/wet environment (like doing an 'Ophelia' shoot in a weedy cress-stream - I've been there...lol) then supplying a warm change of clothing for between set-ups is required...

Just because you book a model for three hours, don't expect three hours of solid shooting. Time has to be factored for make-up, changes and breaks - the Model's clock starts the moment she walks in the studio or if you're doing a location shoot, from the moment you and she (it could be a 'he' but for the sake of argument we'll assume a female model) meet.
You need time to discuss the shoot in detail if that hasn't already been done by phone or email...
Sit down and chat between set-ups...engage with your model - she's not a vase and if she feels a valued part of the image-making process you will get better images...

I also give FOC a CD of my selection of finished images - not unedited as some phots do...those images may be used on her model page - do you really want the whole world to see your unedited images? Barking...
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Good advise, can I just add for the model.

Never go on a shoot or meet a photographer alone, always take somebody trustworthy, you never know what your walking into. Take your make-up and hair brush (many don't) if it's a glamour or nude shoot don't wear tight clothing before (the marks can take a while to fade) take "props" hat's scarves, shoes for each outfit, not just a pair of trainers.
 
swanseamale47 said:
Good advise, can I just add for the model.

Never go on a shoot or meet a photographer alone, always take somebody trustworthy, you never know what your walking into. Take your make-up and hair brush (many don't) if it's a glamour or nude shoot don't wear tight clothing before (the marks can take a while to fade) take "props" hat's scarves, shoes for each outfit, not just a pair of trainers.
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i had planned on takeing one of my friends along with me, i would probably only meet up with a photographer if he had rewives with possitive feedback from previous clients.

i actually read up on the no tight clothing bit last night - no bras allowed lol
i hope i don't arange a freezing cold day lol

i have already thought about what things i could bring as well :)
i think i might meed a removal van lol
 
HoppyUK said:
You're welcome :)

It needn't be difficult if both parties are clear about a) what kind of pictures they want, b) what they want to do with them, and c) what they don't want the other party to do with them without prior agreement (which may be refused of course).

You don't need complicated forms full of bewildering legalese. They might sound impressive but simple, clear language is rather better IMHO. A model release form actually has no official legal status - it's just a form of words and any form will do so long as it's clear and unambiguous.

Key points - the agreement needs to identify the photos specifically in terms of photographer, model, time and place. If nothing else is agreed, all rights belong to the photographer so the important bit for the model is to add something about what they are allowed to do with the images and if necessary specify what they don't want the photographer to do with them.

Ideally, none of this should be a problem for either side, bearing in mind that the whole idea of TFCD is mutual cooperation for mutual benefit. TBH if any of these things cause problems then maybe you need to think about doing things differently, with one party paying the other in return for whatever terms they need. It usually works quite smoothly though; run through it in the pre-shoot chat and you'll pretty soon get an idea if things are going to be tricky, in which case, just leave it there.
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thanks again for even more information :)
i know were i have to ask if i need some advise :D

i am still waiting on pure storm to accept me though - hmmmm! :bonk:
 
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