Must all professional photographers use FF or even MF?
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Pros are more likely to buy the top product in their preferred company's product line then. Clear enough?
I've never expressed any sentiment of the sort.
Again, never said that MF/FF is a requirement. And I'm not denying that pros don't use crop.
The best DX sensor goes into a pro camera. But it isn't the best sensor Nikon makes and the D300s isn't Nikon's top end. It's near to it though.
Of course. But a top of the line pro camera is also more likely to include a larger sensor as part of its features list.
I was going to say they all need 8x10s actually.
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Wrong on both counts.
As for the earlier comment about seeing Commercial photographers exclusively shooting Hassleblads's - that'll be because they are Rented and the cost passed directly to the client.
Nobody after a certain level actually buys or maintains their own kit to shoot with - same as you don't buy an Arri or Panavision 35mm camera, or a Sony HD broadcast camera, or (etc etc). They are all ludicrously expensive (let alone the lenses...) and require significant amounts of Prep work to an exacting standard to ensure absolute reliability. But the cost to rent per day is much more modest, and compared to the overall cost of the crew (assistants, lighting, makeup, catering, runners, etc etc) - fairly trival.
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flossie said:
No he was right. Benjamin is amazing, and he is sponsored by Pentax, BUT he proves my point, there often is no requirement for FF or MF.
And you're right, I have a friend that's assisted on Burberry shoots, and they rented 2 x blads. I keep trying to find an excuse for clients as to why they need me to use MF, so I can get away with sticking it on their estimate lol
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Starastin said:
He is indeed. Personally I don't rate Bruce Smith either, but he's more successful than me so hey lol. However I do like Melissa's work, and so do Harpers, she's not average don't be ridiculous lol
Do you work a lot with mf? I'm looking for some advice on an entry point
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You use whatever you need to, to get the job done.
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that is true . and some of them don't even know or touch the camera they are supposed to be using
but - I don't see anyone renting out a penty that would be ridiculous.
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I'm starting to work with MF (again), but film . as I did the calculations - and it's not liable to rent out digital for 3 frames
at some point I would like to pick up a 10x8 . all this is for personal projects. can't be bothered to do paid work at the moment.
just an exhibition / hopefully a book.
I'm fighting to be in moving pics doing whatever they allow me to. so I'll leave stills for personal stuff only.
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I'm starting to work with MF (again), but film . as I did the calculations - and it's not liable to rent out digital for 3 frames
at some point I would like to pick up a 10x8 . all this is for personal projects. can't be bothered to do paid work at the moment.
just an exhibition / hopefully a book.
I'm fighting to be in moving pics doing whatever they allow me to. so I'll leave stills for personal stuff only.
10x8 - best format I ever used. Get your head around Schiemflug and you'll have a whale of a time
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err...no, he's not, as even a moment's googling or reading his site would have told you. Try reading his own words, he's even written it only a few weeks ago in the comments section of an an article which is all about about the original topic, where he also points out some of the problems with digital MF.
http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/2011/02/18/nikon-canon-sony-pentax-leica-panasonic-or/
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I hope you weren't asking me...
I think it's quite obvious that you haven't right ?
but, yes - wasn't asking you !
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eermm !!!
his post doesn't have any value or real points. He's somewhat telling the truth but forgetting about lots of stuff.
I'll possibly get back @ this.
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I wish someone would make a super simple FF digi . what I hate most about new cameras are that there are too much unnecessary junk .
I've just bought minolta X700 in as new condition and what it has is - A, S and P mode . that's about it . same with MF no extra stuff. it let's you think about the subject and how not to vaste any film. but - of course you know in which genres this doesn't apply.
I've just bought minolta X700 in as new condition and what it has is - A, S and P mode . that's about it . same with MF no extra stuff. it let's you think about the subject and how not to vaste any film. but - of course you know in which genres this doesn't apply.
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flossie said:
No need to be smarmy, that's actually a new development, I've spoken with Benjamin quite a few times and follow his work. Last was Dec 2010, and up until that point at least, he was sponsored by Pentax. Either way it still doesn't detract from the point he was (maybe still is) using a crop Pentax to shoot vogue covers
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What a funny thread! I think we all actually know the answer. The 'pro' will shoot on whatever the client will buy from, whatever the make or format. As has been shown in this thread, whatever you think of the work of the people shooting for these assignments, people can and do shoot in many different ways. A lot of this thread sounds like people justifying their own choices or beliefs.
Simply it's not the gear that gets these people the works, it's their portfolio and the trend at the time.
Simply it's not the gear that gets these people the works, it's their portfolio and the trend at the time.
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So Hasselblad should bring out a crop sensor.....? That's really a bit like going to Ferrari and saying "you know, you'd sell a lot more cars if you made a little 1l supermini with a boot big enough for shopping".
They aren't interested and probably wouldn't be very good at it.
The flip side (why don't Nikon etc make MF) is also an easy one.
Worldwide lifetime sales of a MF digital camera might be below 5,000 units. That's one reason they are hideously expensive - 5,000 users have to pay the entire R&D cost. Why would Nikon engineer a new sensor and lens mount and a whole new range of lenses to chase that small a market?
As for Nasa choosing Nikon (over Hasselblad who used to be their preferred brand until about 1970).....there are probably lots of reasons for this. But they are basically the military and have their budget approved by the senate. Lowest cost that will get the job done is the new world order - there are some figures somewhere on what a great deal they got from Nikon and the fact that Nikon didn't have to adapt the D3S at all for zero g use. Plus, if you are hanging upside down with a big visor in front of your face, 51 point predictive magic focusing works a lot better than 1 point "I'll focus when I get round to it".
They aren't interested and probably wouldn't be very good at it.
The flip side (why don't Nikon etc make MF) is also an easy one.
Worldwide lifetime sales of a MF digital camera might be below 5,000 units. That's one reason they are hideously expensive - 5,000 users have to pay the entire R&D cost. Why would Nikon engineer a new sensor and lens mount and a whole new range of lenses to chase that small a market?
As for Nasa choosing Nikon (over Hasselblad who used to be their preferred brand until about 1970).....there are probably lots of reasons for this. But they are basically the military and have their budget approved by the senate. Lowest cost that will get the job done is the new world order - there are some figures somewhere on what a great deal they got from Nikon and the fact that Nikon didn't have to adapt the D3S at all for zero g use. Plus, if you are hanging upside down with a big visor in front of your face, 51 point predictive magic focusing works a lot better than 1 point "I'll focus when I get round to it"
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No but when the two meet you can have a fan boy wet dream: www.hasselblad.co.uk/promotions/h4d-40-ferrari-edition
side note: Aren't some/many/most MF camera's technically a crop anyway as they aren't a full 6x4.5cm frame. Eg the H4D-31 is 33.1x44.2mm so roughly 1.3x crop, the 50 is also a 1.25 cropper and the 60 is 1.1x. edit: Will this have the same effect on field of view as with SLRs?
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Yes it still effects the field of view, you can use viewfinder masks on most bodies to show the correct frame in the viewfinder. I was looking for an RZ67 but I only really want to use it with a digital back now, so there's not really any point I'll just get a 645 or blad H series if I get one.
There's a Phase One AFD on ebay looking at me funny, totally affordable but obviously without a back. Hmmmm.......:bonk:
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The sponsorship deal between Pentax and Benjamin actually finished in 2008 but has carried on using the brand. Up until recently he was still using a pair of K20D's .. not sure if he has moved on since then.
Superb photographer though.
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For fashion, it's very rare to see anything other than a Hassleblad in proper professional work.
Sports/Paparazzi tend to stick to FF or Crop.
They may not be 40 grand lovely for our needs, but given the budget of these campaigns and the sizes the images are blown up to (billboards etc.), the image quality is pretty important. The dynamic range and resolution (particularly considering how much softer MF lenses can be while giving sharper images than FF or crop) are very important to fashion shoots, and DSLRs cannot be matched for speed for sports shooting.
35mm equiv. and Crop sensor DSLRs are incredibly versatile, but they are only truly the best at sports and action - for landscapes, portraits etc. MF cameras are better for commercial studio work, and for street photography, a rangefinder is much less intrusive than any of the others - Fuji's X100 looking like the ultimate street photography camera for now, even perhaps over the M9 (better camera, sure, but quite a formidable lump of metal nevertheless)
Sports/Paparazzi tend to stick to FF or Crop.
They may not be 40 grand lovely for our needs, but given the budget of these campaigns and the sizes the images are blown up to (billboards etc.), the image quality is pretty important. The dynamic range and resolution (particularly considering how much softer MF lenses can be while giving sharper images than FF or crop) are very important to fashion shoots, and DSLRs cannot be matched for speed for sports shooting.
35mm equiv. and Crop sensor DSLRs are incredibly versatile, but they are only truly the best at sports and action - for landscapes, portraits etc. MF cameras are better for commercial studio work, and for street photography, a rangefinder is much less intrusive than any of the others - Fuji's X100 looking like the ultimate street photography camera for now, even perhaps over the M9 (better camera, sure, but quite a formidable lump of metal nevertheless)