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Judging by recent threads I am now a second or maybe third class citizen, part of the great unwashed and deserving of being publicly flogged at the very least

My heinous crime is to own a crop sensor camera

This has made me feel like a pariah and I can hardly bear to look at my tiny sensored POS

Just so thankful my daughter has a FF camera and I can bask in the glory of residing in the same house as this holy grail like piece of equipment

Seriously now, why all of a sudden has their been this mad rush to go FF and thread after thread pointing out the defiencies of the smaller sensor models

Most newcomers buy a crop sensor body and have seen thousands of great photos taken with them. Becoming a bit elitist and not everybody has thousands of pounds or a credit card to purchase the latest greatest

Actually very satisfied with my 7D, yes the FF has its advantages in certain circumstances, but in no rush to change even if i could afford to ditch my EF-S lenses (some of which are excellent)
 
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tijuana taxi said:
Seriously now, why all of a sudden has their been this mad rush to go FF and thread after thread pointing out the defiencies of the smaller sensor models
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Because with big purchases, people have to find some way of justifying to sooth their bank balance. Before, people did this by taking photographs... now they log on to fora and extol the virtues of their FF camera.

Don't get too worked up about it. If your 7D is producing the results, then be content with that :thumbs:
 
You clearly have a sense of humour about it!

I tend to treat it like the Daily Fail and another narrow minded views on life, they're not annoying or frustrating; they're just ridiculous.:lol::lol:

Before anyone wants to go on the defensive re FF, clearly there are advantages to larger sensors, but whether they're necessary is a different issue entirely.
 
I have just done the opposite, 1dsmk2 as good as it is was becoming 2nd choice because of the weight, I had pondered on the 5dmk2 but decided against...

Am I missing anything? 15mm fisheye obviously loses its edge but on the flip side I really like the effect it produces on crop..

Am quite happy with where I am at right now, although the future might bring me a 5d model of some sort but that will be because of a bargain price not because I need FF
 
I recently went ff and have been blown away with the Iso perf against my d300. Yes, IMO it's a much better camera, but I know I will be longing for my d300 when I go to duxford next year as will miss the crop factor a lot. Not noticed much snobbery on here.
 
I think its very brave to openly admit to owning such a POS small framed camera, if indeed it can still be classified as a camera ;)

Seriously though I found the images better for my skill level, however I have seen a lot of pictures taken with crop and instantly thought it was full frame until I saw the data, so yeah FF improve the image of the user (or me at least), but in the right hands a crop could blow away anything I've done.
 
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It's a bit like Ferrari and Lambo drivers looking down on Audi's & Mercedes, I wouldn't worry about it. Probbaly a case of "All the gear and no idea" a lot of the time. :D

I could go and buy a FF tomorrow, the Ferrari might be a bit more of a challenge, but I have no desire for either to be honest.
 
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I think it's just the lower price of some ff cameras opening the market up to people that were unable to afford one before. Leading to enthusiastic posts saying how good the new toy is. :) Can't say I've noticed anyone being snooty about it though.

As far as cost goes though my 7d cost more than my 5d mk2. :eek:

Seeing as how the 7d is a pos I've chucked my compact camera in the bin as it's obviously even worse!
 
Stuart, you're right and I was about to buy a compact, what was I thinking!! :eek:
 
Think how I feel. Crop sensor and not canikon!

Nothing winds up a gear snob more than a cheap camera owner producing better results :D Use this knowledge to drive your picture taking to new heights :) It's the best kind of revenge.
 
I'll be honest, there are things that I can do with a crop sensor where I'd get less satisfactory results with a FF for a given pixel count.

To match the quality of my D7000 for what I generally do I'd need a D800, but the magnification of the D800's viewfinder is quite a bit less than my D7000's, and that would be a disadvantage.

It's not a case of full frame being better than crop frame. It's a case of picking the right tool for the right job.
 
Tijuana Taxi - if you feel bad, spare a thought for me... I have two D7000s that I've had to add a grip to so they look like proper cameras. Add to that, they have scene modes on the mode dial..... I feel like committing hair-kari every time I have to pick one up. Sometimes I'd prefer to be a parking attendant than a pro photographer who doesn't have a full-frame camera. I feel ashamed.... ;)
 
Nothing at all wrong with crop sensors, but FF doesn't have to be expensive. Ever hear of a 5D mkI?
 
i dont care if you have a crop senser [oer missus]

but you are using canon :suspect:
 
i have FF Nikon mostly becuase thats how i see the world

50 has to be 50 to me so does 24 have to be 24
 
cambsno said:
I recently went ff and have been blown away with the Iso perf against my d300. Yes, IMO it's a much better camera, but I know I will be longing for my d300 when I go to duxford next year as will miss the crop factor a lot. Not noticed much snobbery on here.
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exactly why kept mine even though I now have 2 FF bodies [I am very lucky that I can justify it, I know it isn't an option for many people] - sitting on the boundary at a cricket match, or a pretty bird in the garden... that crop sensor is a godsend when the longest lens you have is only 200mm.

Its horses for courses and there shouldn't be any snobbery about it, it should be about what you are producing with it, it is just a black box of electronics when all is said and done ;)
 
Yv said:
...... it should be about what you are producing with it.....
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I disagree, Yvonne. If it's a hobby then it should simply be whether you enjoy it. Like Sunday morning footballers, it's not how good they are but are they enjoying it.

Bob
 
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Canon Bob said:
I disagree, Yvonne. If it's a hobby then t should simply be whether you enjoy it. Like Sunday morning footballers, it's not how good they are but are they enjoying it.

Bob
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Sorry Bob, I took that bit as read [for anyone, hobbyist or pro], why on earth would you be doing it if you weren't enjoying it?!?! :lol: :thumbs:
 
Yvonne,

I was making the point that it's not right to judge a hobbyist on his results, it's the enjoyment factor that should be "raison d'etre".

Bob
 
I honestly haven't seen any of this lately ;
tijuana taxi said:
... and thread after thread pointing out the defiencies of the smaller sensor models...
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Overall sensors have been improving to the point that things like high-ISO noise levels don't have much advantage for 35mm over crop sensors if we're talking about the newest models of each.
There is a lot of interest in 35mm sensors because the price of new ones is coming down.
There will be even more when that Sony compact comes onto the market.

(I'm hoping for a compact 35mm-sensor body with 50mmF1.8 lens and a viewfinder ...)
 
Canon Bob said:
Yvonne,

I was making the point that it's not right to judge a hobbyist on his results, it's the enjoyment factor that should be "raison d'etre".

Bob
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I didn't say 'judge' and nor did I mean that, surely part of the enjoyment factor is what comes out the other end, whether its the worlds greatest photograph or a private family snap that will only ever remain that - the point is that neither of those are likely to be dependent on whether you use a crop sensor or a FF - lets be honest, if its a photo you love then it doesn't matter if it was taken on your mobile phone, a disposable camera or anything else, its about what you did with it....which was my entire point. Hope that makes it clearer Bob, I really wasn't suggesting that anyone should be judged in anyway.
 
I'm thinking of having a T shirt printed

"I'm a Cr*p Photographer & Proud of it"


;)
 
If I hadn't started doing weddings I'm sure I'd still be shooting on a cropper, but for paid work and long days the high ISO performance and much bigger viewfinder makes life a lot easier. I do sometimes yearn for those days of the D90 + 18-105VR, the start of the slippery slope as it turned out... :lol:
 
tijuana taxi said:
Judging by recent threads I am now a second or maybe third class citizen, part of the great unwashed and deserving of being publicly flogged at the very least

My heinous crime is to own a crop sensor camera
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Pah, that's nothing.

You should try being a Pentax crop sensor camera owner ... now that's really deserving of a public flogging (and usually is).
 
There are some clear advantages to crop sensor cameras and not just weight and bulk. For example in low light I can hand hold a MFT + 20mm and get a higher keeper rate than I can get with a 5D + 50mm.

Personally I think that people get too fixated by the thought of being able to produce massive prints, being able to shoot at extreme ISO's and pixel peeping. If however you can accept that you'll only ever produce a very small number of truly massive prints in your photographic life, if ever/any, and if extreme ISO shooting is only a small percentage of your shots... sub 35mm cameras can have clear and real advantages.

I use my G1 much more than my 5D and few would be able to tell when looking at my final images/prints.
 
I find I use my crop camera pretty much all the time for birds because of the reach it offers
I always know it would've been better if I'd used my full frame body.
The unprocessed image is always a lot cleaner & the depth of field looks more natural to me.
 
if you dont tell me what camera you have

i will just judge by the photo you show me :)
 
i havent listed my cameras and lens and unless i have a question on how something works etc. i dont normally mention it.

its not a status symbol for me.nor is the latest phone etc.
 
straycat said:
i havent listed my cameras and lens and unless i have a question on how something works etc. i dont normally mention it.

its not a status symbol for me.nor is the latest phone etc.
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Agree 100%
 
I thought I'd maybe ditch the d90 after I got the d700 (which I love)
But she still gets out to play, even as lone camera (mostly as second)
crop and ff have different pros and cons but I'm well impressed with the d700 after a couple of months use
I even miss my d3100 with the 35mm just for useability and size
I'd say nikon has been responsible for a hole in my budget, but filled a hole in my heart, just be happy shooting what it is you shoot regardless of sensors or megapixels :thumbs:
 
For me, it's not the tool, but the results that count. I have a FF, 1.3 crop and 1.6 crop if it helps!

I just can't get a great landscape image, no matter how hard I try!

Rob
 
I have 3 FF bodies i use for shooting rugby but i do wish Nikon would have kept the crop of the D2 series but then again Nikon going FF with the D3 onward meant better high ISO performance, took a D3 and D700 to the Dasrtmouth regatta this year but wish i would have had a crop D300 at the time for the Red arrows.
 
to be frankly honest i couldnt give a monkey about owning a ff camera, i must be bottom of the barrell trash in that case as my camera is a 1100d... but then i run my own business with it still and have happy customers so in my eyes that says alot.

Does it matter what the camera is as long as the end result is a good one??

Not in my eyes, yes better cameras would = more technical abbility but while i can keep people happy on a relatively low budget and make prints of high quality and sell 20x30" prints why would i bother wasting 2+k on a camera body??

No thanks, ill spend it on silly lens' instead i think
 
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