My Leica M9 education @ Leica Akademie

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After my play with a Leica M8 I booked myself onto an "M9 Experience" session at the Leica Akademie which is above the Leica shop in Mayfair.

Oh dear. Shouldn't have done that :nono:.

The M9 Experience is a 3 hour session with max 4 people (there were just the two of us when I went) with Brett. No charge for the session but you need to book in advance. Nice biscuits too. Leica obviously have a good conversion ratio.

Now Brett has some amazing photos. I was completely gobsmacked by his set of promo shots for Leica rifle scopes which were taken in the Highlands of Scotland and captured the mood and essential feeling of a Highland deer stalk. A stunning set - just beautiful. I guess you could have got the same sort of pics with a 5DII and a set of lenses, but with much more weight and possibly a more acute feeling of imposing on the subject.

Brett is an independent consultant for Leica and an obvious Leica fan. Some of his wedding pictures are gorgeous too, and he shoots with just an M9 and a f/0.95 Noctilux (nice if you can afford it) plus a Digilux 3.

Me and my co-student Dave had a really good Q&A session with Brett in a lovely room above the shop, and had use of an M9 each with a selection of lenses (50 1.4, 50 2, 35 2, 35 1.4), plus a 4gb card each and a full battery. The Q&A was really good - free format and I asked a shedload of questions which were all answered, and illustrated with pics from Brett's enviable archive displayed on a nice big monitor.

Then it was onto the streets to take pictures. I found focusing much easier after being taught how to do it properly, and was shooting the 35 f2 wide open then the 50 f2 and 50 1.4 wide open for the hour or so we were out. That is for stationary subjects. For anything moving it's a completely different kettle of fish and requires major practice. I basically missed focus on every shot with anything moving in it :nuts:.

The user experience is indeed very different, from how you hold the camera to the thought process that goes through taking a shot. It is far more involving than using a DSLR. Strange but true. I had my 1D IV with 50 1.4 on my shoulder, centre focus point and "BAM" there's your shot. With the Leica, whilst able to use aperture priority, I only did that to get my shot settings, then used manual. I figured I only needed two settings to cover all my scenes for the day - a sunny setting and a shade setting, which meant leaving the lens aperture on f2 and the ISO at 160, and adjusting the shutter speed. Simple. I hadn't thought it would be true, but you feel far more part of the picture taking process with the Leica than a DSLR. It makes your brain work much much harder. It's almost as though you feel like you've got to take pictures that live up to the camera - something I also felt to a lesser extent when I got my first 1D i.e. I've got to take some bloody good sports shots to justify this.

I cant say I'm comfortable with street photography - it's not my "thing", and I felt quite pressured to get good shots in a short period of time even though there was no hassling whatsoever with Brett, who was very patient and helpful throughout.

Aside from focusing on anything that moves, I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. I can see why Leica owners get hooked. It's an experience thing as much as the actual camera itself, and it pulls you in. Gaaagghhh!! I'm doomed already!

Brett demonstrated that it was very possible to focus on moving things and nailed lots of shots of people in motion which was just really annoying. Part of the "draw" is that you've got to work hard to get good with the camera.

Image-wise, the quality is pretty good when you get the focus right. I shot some comparison shots of the same scenes with my 1DIV which were far faster to take (focus, recompose, bang), and actually looked pretty darned good, and so they should as that's £5k's worth of kit when I bought it new. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference I think unless you're somewhat obsessed and a pixel peeper. Mind you I did an upward looking shot of a tree at f/5.6 on the 50 f/2 and the sharpness in RAW was pretty gob-smacking. Colours from the M9 were very natural as well.

So, very interesting. Certainly very different. The M9 has flaws - slow, poor screen, user-defined focus accuracy, poor high ISO, poor battery life. But the feeling you get taking pics with it is very different and enjoyable as well as challenging. My ideal setup would be an M9 and a 35 f/2 and 50 f/2 which is £8,200. Now that's a lot of money. So for now I'm going to play much more with my 1DIV and a 50 1.4 and see how I get on, and I'll have my GF1 and 20 1.7 handy too.

Some pics with some quick & dirty Lightroom B&W conversions. Nothing special - I was too nervous and uncomfortable.

#1 Co-student Dave probably with 50 2.0
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#2 Park life with 50 1.4
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#3 Tree with 50 2.0 at 5.6
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#4 Brett with 35 2.0
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#5 Can with (I think) 50 1.4
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#6 Major crop of a smoking break where I nailed the focus very nicely on the 50 1.4
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Way out of my price range, but I'm sooo jealous!!! That camera is right at the top of my "When I win the lottery" list (together with the Noctilux).

As you say, Leica must have a pretty good conversion rate, or they wouldn't invest the time and money to offer these sessions free to the passing public.

Nice pics by the way. Thanks for sharing.

Aled
 
That's a great report and gives an insight into why someone would spend so much on a camera system
I cut my photographic teeth on manual rangefinders ( my Dads Leica IIIf and a couple of Fed3 and 4's( still have a fed 4) and it is indeed a steep learning curve when you have been used to fast AF and auto aperture rings! And of course these were film cameras so you had to wait a couple of days to see if you got the shot!
I hope to be getting an M8 in the not too distant future, an M9 would be nice but it's way above my pay scale! Sounds like you had a great day, it's certainly something I would like to do
Allan
 
I've thought about going down this route often.

I'd always fancied a rangefinder so dipped my toe in the water with a Bessa R (although also owned a Cononet) but although I loved it and using it the GF1 made it redundant so I sold it and to be honest I can't see myself using a rangefinder or similar camera again. I'm always tempted but I now know that it'd almost certainly get very little use.

I'd be interested to read your thoughts on Leica v GF1.
 
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Nice report. Always wanted an m8/m9 with one lens... doubt I could afford it but thought it would be great. From your post it does look the bees knees although there is the element of being more in the picture taking process.

Fingers crossed for a lotto win as I'd like to join you in the group of leica owners (dont see many shops stocking or displaying it - not many posts on what they can do for comparisons).

Not having looked into it too much due to dosh, is it full frame? and are there any tele/macro lenses for it?
 
Great right up, its made me think about how I use my rangefinder (Voigtlander Bessa R3a and a Voigtlander Nokton 40mm f1.4). I was begining to get a little frustrated at missing the focus with it but seeing your shots has made me determined to concentrate and practice till I get it right.

Cheers

Andy
 
Not having looked into it too much due to dosh, is it full frame? and are there any tele/macro lenses for it?

Yes, full frame. Severely limited for macro (i.e. it doesn't really do it) and lenses only go up to 135mm I think. So you're looking at wide angle to mid-telephoto range I guess. Full kit and price list here. Enjoy!

I'd be interested to read your thoughts on Leica v GF1.

Have a look here. Very different kettle of fish, but the GF1 with the 20 1.7 is a cracking piece of kit.

Way out of my price range, but I'm sooo jealous!!! That camera is right at the top of my "When I win the lottery" list (together with the Noctilux).

Yep - just to be clear it's way out of my price range as well and would involve selling most of my Canon gear & sports lenses to get an M9 & two lenses.
 
Yes it is pricey, but I've got a 1DIV that cost nigh on the price of an M9, and a 400 2.8 that was nearly £3k second hand, plus the rest of my gear which is typical sports tog kit.

I think there's a feeling that because the Leica kit is small it should be cheap...

In any rate, it's definitely premium rate kit that's for sure, and not without its problems either.
 
Good mini-review, do you know what their conversion rate is from these courses or did the other guy put a deposit on one and do they pressure you into a sale? What camera did the other guy on the course shoot?

I quite fancy an M9 although it would require me trading my gear in to fund it. If I'm honest at £4900 with the poor looking LCD and slowness to even zoom in on a photo and ISO being nothing special then I would feel like Leica were making me drop my trousers and bend over.

I know I'll ultimately buy an M9 or the successor one day though, not that I need it I just want it.
 
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Good mini-review, do you know what their conversion rate is from these courses or did the other guy put a deposit on one and do they pressure you into a sale? What camera did the other guy on the course shoot?.

We were both shooting with M9s and a selection of 35 and 50mm lenses. Brett had his own M9 and 50 1.4 and was showing how to do it by example.

I think the conversion rate is probably pretty high. At the very least you come away very enthused and inspired. Its made me think a lot about my photography and paring it down to a minimum in terms of kit and concentrating much more on light and composition. It was very tempting to hit the credit card and figure out how to pay for it later, so be warned.
 
I think the conversion rate is probably pretty high. At the very least you come away very enthused and inspired. Its made me think a lot about my photography and paring it down to a minimum in terms of kit and concentrating much more on light and composition. It was very tempting to hit the credit card and figure out how to pay for it later, so be warned.

Thanks for the review! I heard that you were tempted to buy M9 in the end...?

Cheers Brett
 
Hi Brett, welcome to the forum. Yes, it's all gone weird here at Tobers HQ. Far from being a "free introduction", it's cost me over £5k, but I guess you aren't that surprised.

I'm doing a write up on experiences so far here.

Should see you shortly for an "M9 owners experience" session as well, just keep that 35 1.4 away from me.
 
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