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here my 2 cents on photography and art...

I got my first camera when I was 15 years old, I was following just some ideas, some images traveling around Europe.
Immediately I realized that travels and photography were totally and intimately connected.
What I do believe regarding photography, what is really unique making a photo and what I look for when I click the button is the moment; the unique and unrepeatable point of view.
I don't mind about how you made the photo, how ethical is to modify a photo with a computer or in a lab, how important is the technique. What I do care is hunting the perfect instant, I'm trying to stop the unrepeatable second forever, a unique solid crystal that remains in the Sea of the time flow.
My idea regarding photography maybe is an old school style view, but I think that it does not matter so much the theory, the sophistication of the camera. I know of course that quality is important, especially for a professional, especially for the business and the market, but finally there will be always someone that can make the shoot better then you.
What is really art, in my humble opinion, is that no one will be ever able to fix the same special and unique moment, no one will be ever able to have the same instinct and sensibility. So, together with the moment it follows, with the same importance, the light, the amazing light of nature, the colors, the contrast, the blend, the intensity.

I just moved in June 2009 to digital Canon 450D and right now I'm still discovering the enormous potential of a digital camera and I'm really amazed. Probably is just the dawn of a new age but, beside the digital revolution, a photo does never comes to life for real until printed it...
 
The fisherman needs to know where to catch the big fish. He needs a good quality net in order to catch the big fish.

The photographer matter and the camera is his tool so the better the tool the more he is able to reach his maximum potential
 
I once worked with a chap who purchased all his tools he would need to do some home carpentry, he had no idea what most of them were used for, he just decided to read a book go out and buy what he thought he would need.

In my youth i have pulled in some big fish with a broom handle reel, line and float.

My experience tells me its not the tools its the man that uses them.
A good workman never blaim his tools.

Paps are always supposingly capturing that magic moment, yet with see the same old thing over and over again.
 
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here my 2 cents on photography and art...

I got my first camera when I was 15 years old, I was following just some ideas, some images traveling around Europe.
Immediately I realized that travels and photography were totally and intimately connected.
What I do believe regarding photography, what is really unique making a photo and what I look for when I click the button is the moment; the unique and unrepeatable point of view.
I don't mind about how you made the photo, how ethical is to modify a photo with a computer or in a lab, how important is the technique. What I do care is hunting the perfect instant, I'm trying to stop the unrepeatable second forever, a unique solid crystal that remains in the Sea of the time flow.
My idea regarding photography maybe is an old school style view, but I think that it does not matter so much the theory, the sophistication of the camera. I know of course that quality is important, especially for a professional, especially for the business and the market, but finally there will be always someone that can make the shoot better then you.
What is really art, in my humble opinion, is that no one will be ever able to fix the same special and unique moment, no one will be ever able to have the same instinct and sensibility. So, together with the moment it follows, with the same importance, the light, the amazing light of nature, the colors, the contrast, the blend, the intensity.

I just moved in June 2009 to digital Canon 450D and right now I'm still discovering the enormous potential of a digital camera and I'm really amazed. Probably is just the dawn of a new age but, beside the digital revolution, a photo does never comes to life for real until printed it...

i agree...
 
I wasnt saying a photographer should blame bad shots on his camera. What ~I was saying is a good photographer can take a the same pic with a P&S and with a DSLR and the one taken with the DSLR is going to look better.
 
I wasnt saying a photographer should blame bad shots on his camera. What ~I was saying is a good photographer can take a the same pic with a P&S and with a DSLR and the one taken with the DSLR is going to look better.

based on??

you snob
 
You are in the right place! TP is brimming over with great tips to improve your togging. Welcome to TP :)
 
You can take some wonderful shots with a compact,but you can only see so much on that dratted screen with the sun out,as for the electric view finder,I found that better but far from perfect.
To me the lenses you can get and the view through a SLR are far Superior
For composing and now rarely :lol: cut em off at the ankles.:eek:
 
Earlier in the year I had a joint photographic exhibition. The images were mostly without scale and relied heavily on composition, colour and texture. They sold very well. As far as I know none were bought by photographers; they were bought to decorate peoples homes.

My co-exhibitor took all hers on a vintage Fuji f30 P&S !!!!!!
They were printed at A3 and looked superb. Three were printed at A1 and the quality was still acceptable !!!!!
A photographer would probably look at the A1 prints and quickly spot that the camera was being pushed a bit too hard, but I believe the vast majority of non-photographers will either never notice or not care.

The subjects being very graphic probably helped. Compact cameras are more likely to end up with blown highlights and softness, but this doesn't matter as much if the image is exceptionally strong. However, there are some subjects like landscapes where getting the technical bits right is paramount and for these the kit matters much more.

In summary - my answer is that it depends who you are taking the images for and what is in the images.
 
I did some nice shots with compact camera, all my trip in 2000 in Thailand was done with a compact as I start with a reflex in 2001.

At the end a good moment a good second is the essence of the photography to me.

As soon as I will be abilitated I will post a link to those made by compact camera.

compact seems to only lack lens performance
will be glad to see the results
 
I'm not totally clear what this thread is about or where it's going, but regarding the compact / SLR thing - I've taken some superb shots with a compact based on the fact that it was the only camera I had on me at the time. I wouldn't use it on a safari obviously, but didn't someone once say that the best camera is the one you have in your hand?
 
based on??

you snob

Based on the fact that if they weren't there would be no market for DSLRs.

But I am hoping your coment wasn't serious Mr Crow :)
 
I think the shots you have linked to are as you have said moments captured that you can look back at and remember a specific point in time in a fond manor. They wont mean as much to anyone else and without the intimate knowledge of being there firsthand others will look at the photos and will be able to technically provide constructive criticism.

These are not high fashion photos or portraits they are what they are, an insite into moments that you had and will enjoy forever.

I hope that you learn to love the DSLR world. For me looking through the eye piece framing a picture knowing that no one else has that exact view is very satisfying. :)
 
Based on the fact that if they weren't there would be no market for DSLRs.

But I am hoping your coment wasn't serious Mr Crow :)

andy ..puleese
and my apologies for any misinterpretation.:)
 
Sorry it's not always easy to tell when it's written.

But for those who are still thinking I am wrong. DSLR = full manual control of exposure and focus. Bigger sensor meaning larger image before distortion and better noise performance.

OK so what I should say perhaps is that a good photographer taking a photograph of the same subject will get a picture with better contrast, better colour, lower noise and generally higher IQ than the one he takes with the P&S. Both are good pictures in terms of composition but there is no doubt that an SLR used properly is going to give better results than a P&S.
 
Just a quote I found, perhaps something we all should take on board. ;)


Once the amateur's naive approach and humble willingness to learn fades away, the creative spirit of good photography dies with it. Every professional should remain always in his heart an amateur. - Alfred Eisenstaedt
 
I think that's very true Nigel. No matter how mych we learn there is always more to learn and as long as we remember that and strive to improve then the spark or creativity will remain.
 
Nah! :)
 
Not so sure sorry... definetely not if we are talking about wideangle or zoom........

Would you care to explain what you meant here? The quality of optics and even the range (those wideangle and longer zooms) that you can have on SLRs simply not available on majority P&S - surely this expands your creative options to capture perfect moment? Besides none of the P&S I know has really fast optics or good high ISO and usually are slow to switch on a take photo, so if you encounter that perfect moment (a second, a fleeting instant) in less then optimal shooting conditions - with P&S you are more likely to miss it and have no moment captured at all...
 
I think that's very true Nigel. No matter how mych we learn there is always more to learn and as long as we remember that and strive to improve then the spark or creativity will remain.

To concur that - there is a nice little story of Aristotle answering the question of one of his disciples as to why he, knowing so much, still seeks knowledge. His answer was to draw two circles on a sand: small and larger one and then saying that small circle represents the knowledge of his disciple and the large - his own with the rest of the space being the unknown yet to be learned. He then said that his circle has more contact with unknown than that of his disciple - hence he has more questions to seek the answers for...
 
I like that
 
Would you care to explain what you meant here? The quality of optics and even the range (those wideangle and longer zooms) that you can have on SLRs simply not available on majority P&S - surely this expands your creative options to capture perfect moment? Besides none of the P&S I know has really fast optics or good high ISO and usually are slow to switch on a take photo, so if you encounter that perfect moment (a second, a fleeting instant) in less then optimal shooting conditions - with P&S you are more likely to miss it and have no moment captured at all...

Yes... just what you just said... in case of doubt... shoot!! :thumbs:
 
Yes... just what you just said... in case of doubt... shoot!! :thumbs:

Erm I am not in doubt (have sorted that dilemma long time ago for myself) and I am a bit confused now - your initial statement was in reply to AndyB comment and it read as though you said that P&S have advantage in wideangle and zoom over SLRs:

What ~I was saying is a good photographer can take a the same pic with a P&S and with a DSLR and the one taken with the DSLR is going to look better.
Not so sure sorry... definetely not if we are talking about wideangle or zoom........
 
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