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May be looking at replacing my kitchen - 18 years old and was the original one.

Its not huge, U shape and looking at 11/12 cabinets, worktop etc... Looking at usual suspects like Ikea, Wren etc... anything good or bad? Looking at the lower end of the budget and getting it fitted.
 
Looking at the lower end of the budget and getting it fitted.
If you want it fitted, I think it's worth getting two or three quotes from specialist companies, at least to compare with the DIY + fitter price.

We installed a new kitchen about ten years ago and paid less to a local company than buying the bits and paying to have them put in. It's the "lttle" thngs like removing the old stuff and making good that eats up the money, in my experience.

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May be looking at replacing my kitchen - 18 years old and was the original one.

Its not huge, U shape and looking at 11/12 cabinets, worktop etc... Looking at usual suspects like Ikea, Wren etc... anything good or bad? Looking at the lower end of the budget and getting it fitted.

Have a look at DIY-Kitchens


I designed and fitted it myself - having been to Wren first and been horrified at the prices - We had a local company supply/fit the worktops and a another one supplied the splashbacks - even if you had a local tradesperson fit it you would save £££ comparted with the likes of Wren.

They are quality cabinets, and have a wide range of units (unlike IKEA for instance which have very few carcass sizes)

Before Splashbacks fitted


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and one after splashback


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We’ve had Howdens units in our last two houses and have been very happy with them. Unfortunately they don’t sell direct to the public, so you’ll either have to get a tradesman to buy them on your behalf or make yourself up some ahem, trade paperwork.
 
+1 for DIY Kitchens. After a visit to wren and their crazy prices and a pressure sell to get you to sign the contract for a time limited discount, we told them to sod off and found DIY Kitchens online.

We have quite a large kitchen and wren outed circa £23k. I bought all the units which included some large pantry cupboards, a couple of fancy corner cupboards and some large pan drawers (which they always charge a premium for) for £6.5k and got somebody to fit them and do the tiling, electrics and plumbing. They charged £4k.

The kitchen fitter commented on the good quality of the units compared to some he’s fitted from the likes of wren, ikea, howdens etc.
 
We had a new kitchen fitted about 2 years ago and everyone says how smart it looks. What I recommend is to have fitted UPVC decorative internal wall panelling and the same type of material for the ceiling. Our ceiling is white..to reflect light. My recommendation is to go for light-coloured panels ..ours are light grey with short darker grey streaks to reflect as much light as possible. Light is king in a kitchen..especially natural light. Same goes for the worktops,too and the cupboards. Ours are light grey. Very smart. We went for a plain cupboard door..exactly the same as those in David's photos of his kitchen above. Even the same handles. Easy to grip and no sharp edges to hurt your fingers and room for your fingers to get behind it. The cupboard door are plain so there are no grooves where dust/dirt (cooking fats) can gather. Also, have slow-close hinges fitted to all cupboards and drawers. We also have a polar white floor with grey markings flooring..easy to clean. The worktop is light grey..marble effect and the splash back is just a few inches high.. If you're getting a new hob, (we have an induction hob..excellent)..get a large "plastic"..I don't think it's plastic..whatever..back panel..easy to clean.The sink is very light,too. We had six lights fitted into the ceiling , about 3"or 4" wide, once again, .just like those in David's post and also strip lights under the cupboards above the worktops to give you plenty of light where you're working. They are actually a strip of tiny lights..beaded. It's essential to have one of these ceiling lights just a few inches away from the wall above your sink ..so above your tap...(in your photo) to throw light down into your sink. I say 2" (ish) inches because if you have it so that it's about 4 or 5" out from the wall (above the window) it will be behind you and throw your shadow down onto the sink..darned annoying. We had that in the old kitchen so were aware of that issue. The fitters got me to show them exactly where I wanted it..and they agreed with me re that issue but often fitters..of anything..will do what's easiest for them. All the material came from Howdens and the fitters gave us the discount that Howdens give tradesman..boogie man has mentioned Howdens in his post above.

I've read horror stories about the likes of Wren and B&Q. It's worth asking round friends who have had reliable fitters in, self-employed or,as we did with the bathroom, a wholly reliable, trustworthy local company.

Our kitchen is pretty well identical to the one in this brochure BUT..look at those ceiling lights. The ones nearest the window will cast a shadow in the evenings when it's dark outside..ie no light coming in that window. Our ceiling is identical,too. By the way..I wouldn't recommend drilling a hole in the panel to fix a clock (as shown in the brochure photo) unless you can get a decent "sucker' hook like people have in their bathrooms to hang a hand-towel or the like, on.

 
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We had a new kitchen fitted about 2 years ago and everyone says how smart it looks. What I recommend is to have fitted UPVC decorative internal wall panelling and the same type of material for the ceiling. Our ceiling is white..to reflect light. My recommendation is to go for light-coloured panels ..ours are light grey with short darker grey streaks to reflect as much light as possible. Light is king in a kitchen..especially natural light. Same goes for the worktops,too and the cupboards. Ours are light grey. Very smart. We went for a plain cupboard door..exactly the same as those in David's photos of his kitchen above. Even the same handles. Easy to grip and no sharp edges to hurt your fingers and room for your fingers to get behind it. The cupboard door are plain so there are no grooves where dust/dirt (cooking fats) can gather. Also, have slow-close hinges fitted to all cupboards and drawers. We also have a polar white floor with grey markings flooring..easy to clean. The worktop is light grey..marble effect and the splash back is just a few inches high.. If you're getting a new hob, (we have an induction hob..excellent)..get a large "plastic"..I don't think it's plastic..whatever..back panel..easy to clean.The sink is very light,too. We had six lights fitted into the ceiling , about 3"or 4" wide, once again, .just like those in David's post and also strip lights under the cupboards above the worktops to give you plenty of light where you're working. They are actually a strip of tiny lights..beaded. It's essential to have one of these ceiling lights just a few inches away from the wall above your sink ..so above your tap...(in your photo) to throw light down into your sink. I say 2" (ish) inches because if you have it so that it's about 4 or 5" out from the wall (above the window) it will be behind you and throw your shadow down onto the sink..darned annoying. We had that in the old kitchen so were aware of that issue. The fitters got me to show them exactly where I wanted it..and they agreed with me re that issue but often fitters..of anything..will do what's easiest for them. All the material came from Howdens and the fitters gave us the discount that Howdens give tradesman..boogie man has mentioned Howdens in his post above.

I've read horror stories about the likes of Wren and B&Q. It's worth asking round friends who have had reliable fitters in, self-employed or,as we did with the bathroom, a wholly reliable, trustworthy local company.

Our kitchen is pretty well identical to the one in this brochure BUT..look at those ceiling lights. The ones nearest the window will cast a shadow in the evenings when it's dark outside..ie no light coming in that window. Our ceiling is identical,too. By the way..I wouldn't recommend drilling a hole in the panel to fix a clock (as shown in the brochure photo) unless you can get a decent "sucker' hook like people have in their bathrooms to hang a hand-towel or the like, on.


@cambsno For reference:-

Our worktop is a sparkle type finish

Our units are a metallic grey finish, which actually changes with the light, appears lighter in natural light, gets darker under artificial

Our splashbacks are glass, with special heat resistant glass behind the hob

I used pelmet panels on their side to give a sleeker finish to the top of units

For the worktop lighting, I added recessed 3W LED lights under the wall mounted cupboards - I used side/end vanity panels cut to fit, and recessed the lights into these, routing channels for cables. This (to me) meant that it was sleeker than a traditional pelmut. Poor OOF phone image (and before splashbacks fitted)


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As @JohnC6 says it is important to give consideration to the lighting, and plan the electrical power/lighting installation carefully. Large Induction hobs can draw significant power and may require a new circuit back to the fusebox, our hob has power limiting modes - which in practice are fine as you never want all 5 zones on 'boost'.

I used an industrial design for the cabling, and ran industrial trunking around the kitchen at floor level like a skirting - so I can access it by removing the plinth - like this 6 inches high - mounted horizontally (this reduced significantly the amount of wall channeling, and the cables can be labelled for any future modifications)- and I also put in a grid isolator panel - example shown

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The saving using DIY Kitchens allowed us to put in higher quality electrical appliances (and still save money) - I was canny about these as well, buying months ahead in sales to save money.

But don't forget in your budget planning to include:-

Flooring (my costs £600 for ceramic tiles)

Electrical/Lighting (my costs £1,300) - I used Lightwave modules to control the zones, and have remote switches on both the inside and outside of the kitchen, so you can select the lighting zone required before entering the room! That may look like a big number, but I wanted a quality finish in keeping with the rest of the kitchen. £850 of the £1,300 was spent on light fittings (downlighters, switches, pendant lights, under cupboard lighting, switches, remote switches) - the only real excess were the two custom yellow lights over the peninsula (these were £270) - sockets, grid switch, cabling etc made up the rest.

Handles (my costs £200 - local company)

Paint/Blinds (my costs approx £250)

Radiators (my costs £270)

These alone total £2,620 and could easily double if external labour is required.

I'm fairly comptent at DIY, so only spent £820 on labour (excluding the worktop/splashbacks for which we had a measure/made/fitted price) and that £820 was made up of a plasterer (I moved a door!) and a registered gas engineer to terminate the previous gas hob (he also fitted the new radiator, and capped the old outlets)

It took me approx 12 days from stripping out the old kitchen, removing previous tiled floor, altering doorway access, etc from start to finish. It was a lot of planning but we didn't go over budget (I had a small contingency which we did use some of for additional plumbing fittings, router bits, and I did add a Makita Multitool to my Makita toolset!)

DIY Kitchens support was very good, we had a couple of damaged panels which they replaced within 48hrs, and I damaged a door front (with a handle hole miscalculation!!), they got me a replacement for a very nominal fee within 48hrs.

I would definitely use them again. I designed the kitchen using their planner, then we spent a day at the showroom in Pontefract looking at the units (picking style/colour), feeling the quality and optimising the design. It is worth doing this, the costs for a day to Pontefract are insignifcant compared with the costs of the kitchen - and the local pub did a decent Sunday Roast for a tenner a head!! The range of unit sizes was a godsend, need a 150mm wide cupboard to fill a gap, they have it. (for non-basic range unit sizes, Wren push you to a different carcass range that is more expensive) The only flags I had on my design when ordering was the gap between the cooker hood and the wall cupboards, which was slightly tighter than their recommended distance, but I knew it would fit and I wanted the kitchen to look symetrical. Also I ordered less end panels as I worked out I could get move usable panels by cutting down the larger panels in a different way.

If I had a kitchen with less base corner cupboards, then I would get more bottom 2-drawer units (pan units) as these are much more accessible than regular kitchen cupboards.

For reference, old kitchen during dismantling - we sold this getting £350 for it (and they took it away) - someone wanted it to put in a buy-to-let. Note old carpet on the floor to save my knees! The absolute mandatory purchase if you are doing all this yourself is a decent set of knee pads.


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I hate to think what kitchen replacement would cost me. Below is just the kitchen behind is yet another utility room (8x7ft) with more units and even another sink in it

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Mr.P... I think you're being somewhat modest saying you're "fairly competent" That's at professional level ..high end,too. I see the splashbacks now..same as ours and the worktop lighting. I envy people like yourself who have the ability and skills to carry out work at that level and not do it for a living.

Re the induction hob. We'd had a problem with the fuse box tripping . We had three electricians look at it over time. One suggested a £4000 rewiring of the house. It was built in 1972..we have brick walls between rooms not the panels they have these days. The kitchen fitters brought in an electrician for their work and he looked at it. He checked the induction hob at maximum consumption and it didn't trip. One of the fitters suggested the RCD (??) wasn't rated at a high enough value. I know nothing about these matters and won't touch anything electrical bar the simplist task. So..that was the problem. We'd renewed a kettle, iron, the microwave..we wanted a flat bed one anyway but the problem persisted after we bought it. One electrician tested the kitchen sockets and replaced one. I think it cost us £15 for a higher-rated RCD and we've never had a problem since.
 
Cambsno.. Our fitters asked if we wanted a double socket that included two USB ports. Invaluable. We use them a lot

 
Cambsno.. Our fitters asked if we wanted a double socket that included two USB ports. Invaluable. We use them a lot


I have fitted those myself, very useful!

Kitchen is small and part of a kitchen / diner, so it would just be replacing the units, floor, tops... would like new oven and may move location but tight on space so likely to do a like for like refit with new stuff, but dont have the time or skills to do most myself. And sticking with gas hob - cant stand induction!! But looks like DIY kitchens are the way to go, and a decent local fitter
 
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