Nikon 50mm 1.8D AF - help needed.

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Just purchased a Nikon 50mm 1.8D AF and been using it for a couple of hrs on my D90.
not very pleased with the results of indoors photos...although outdoors, it's fantastic.

My indoor pics have been coming out a bit blurry... especially when I've compared the same image to one taken with the 18-105 kit lens.

I've been taking pics at apeture 2.8 with the 50mm and been adjusting the ISO and shutter accordingly.

Now I've never used a fast lens so it could be that I need to get my focus dead-on and the blurrying is just a result of the 2.8 aperture.
If you've experience with this lens, would you be able to recommend any suggestions for indoor use?
Many thanks
 
Can you post an image or two with EXIF data.

What shutter speed are you getting?
 
Are you hand-holding? Using a flash? What kind of shutter speeds are you using as presumably the camera would set much faster speeds outdoors than in. So set a speed at least 1/60s or faster if hand-holding and see how it goes. At 2.8 it should be tack-sharp (at the point of focus at least)
 
I'll put the pics up soon...
for both the ISO is set to 800 and shutter speed in Apeture Priority mode is coming to 1/20

However, thinking about it a bit more... the kit lens comes with VR and so it's possible that the lower shutter speed is suiting it better...
 
DoF at f/2.8 isn't that deep and, as Cowasaki has hinted, tyhere';s a distinct possibility that camera shake is creeping in. Try to keep the shutter speed faster than 1/75th when using the 50mm handheld - if necessary, turn up the ISO - the D90 should still give decent images up to ISO800 or so. One possible reason your kit lens isn't showing the bluriness is that it's a VR lens, allowing handheld shots up to 3 or more stops slower than non VR.
 
I'll put the pics up soon...
for both the ISO is set to 800 and shutter speed in Apeture Priority mode is coming to 1/20

However, thinking about it a bit more... the kit lens comes with VR and so it's possible that the lower shutter speed is suiting it better...

Bit slow really even with VR but if you are using the kit lens it is only likely to start at f3.5 so you would be lucky to even get anywhere near 1/20th . Just as a try open the aperture to f1.8 and see what speed you get.
 
I'll take some pics with shutter at 60 or 80
Oh ... I'm hand-holding it so will get the tripod out and take some comparisions.
Looks like i'm gonna be putting quite a few comparision pics up pretty soon.

But first .... some dinner ;)
 
You'd be doing well to hand hold at 1/20 of a second, ideally you shouldn't be below 1/the focal length, so in this case 1/50. As stated above, your kit lens has VR so the only fair comparison would be to switch the VR off and set both lenses to the same aperture and take a couple of test shots.
 
i found the same. my kit lens kicks the nifties ass when it comes to indoor low light non flash stuff as far as getting unblurry shots goes.
 
Righto, I've taken some pics and uploaded them. Link below

Comparisions of 50mm vs 18-105 VR - cooookies !

I think that coz I was taking the pics at 1/20 shutter originally with the 50mm prime, camera-shake was causing the blur. Since the kit lens has VR, it was compensating for the camera shake..

Obervations:
On the 50mm, at 100% i've noticed a slight blurring in the letters but that I suspect is due to the aperture being 1.8
On the 18-105mm kit lens, at 100% its 'slightly' sharper but again due to aperture.

However, the pics with the 50mm prime are fabulous especially when looked next to the 18-105 kit lens pics.

Thanks for the advice.
 
i'm considering this lens as a newbie with a d90 too
 
my main use will be for portraits and taking pics of family, baby boy etc.

reading the above, is it not that good in low light for indoor use without flash?

the 50mm f1.8 is one of the cheaper primes, and i'll still look at used. i've heard some good reviews on 35mm f1.8, which might be better focal length for limited indoor use, but being more £.

what's a good used price on a 50mm?
 
i'm considering this lens as a newbie with a d90 too

it does perform quite well in low-light conditions... and from what I can see it's very good value for the quality.
been out taking some pics and really impressed...
 
Ok, there's a lot of misinformation going on here.

Rafiki: I've looked at the comparison set you've posted on flickr. The photos taken with the kit lens are completely underexposed. You've drawn your conclusions based on an unfair comparison. The photos taken with the 50mm f/1.8 are exposed properly.

What you need to do is correctly expose the photos taken with the kit lens. You're really going to need to slow down the shutter speed to get the equivalent exposure: camera shake will start to creep in then when you're hand holding.

The bottom line is: the 50mm f/1.8 is a much better lens for low light than the kit lens. Shutter speeds will be faster, so motion blur will be reduced. Yes, VR will help reduce the effects of camera shake hand-holding with the kit lens, but it won't stop motion if your subject is moving. If the subject is stationary, you'd be better off using a tripod and not worrying too much about fast lenses or shutter speeds.

I'll be honest here, the example you've posted is a strange one: shutter speed 1/25 indoors hand-held with a stationary subject really isn't a sensible scenario, and is a recipe for camera shake. Either use a tripod for non-moving subjects indoors, or use higher ISO, faster shutter speeds and wider apertures for moving subjects hand-held in low light. Try not to combine the two techniques. The D90 should be good for up to ISO 3200 if necessary.

i found the same. my kit lens kicks the nifties ass when it comes to indoor low light non flash stuff as far as getting unblurry shots goes.

Your hands are shaking and you have a still subject. Try holding the camera steady. If your subject moves, the slow kit lens will give motion blur, whereas the higher shutter speeds available using f/1.8 will freeze motion in much lower light.

my main use will be for portraits and taking pics of family, baby boy etc.

reading the above, is it not that good in low light for indoor use without flash?

the 50mm f1.8 is one of the cheaper primes, and i'll still look at used. i've heard some good reviews on 35mm f1.8, which might be better focal length for limited indoor use, but being more £.

what's a good used price on a 50mm?

The 50mm f/1.8 is Nikon's cheapest prime and second cheapest lens full stop. It is useful for low light, portraits and short tele use (eg street candids) with an effective focal length of 75mm on a crop sensor. In general use I would always take the 35mm f/1.8 AF-S in preference however, due to its more useful 52.5mm focal length, which gives the angle of view traditionally associated with a 50mm lens, when mounted on a crop sensor.

Don't let the comments above fool you, the 50mm f/1.8 is a good choice for low light, although the 35mm will give you less camera shake (if you have poor camera technique) due to the shorter focal length.

Just buy the lens new. 10% discount at Jessops using quidco means it can be yours off the high street for less than £100. Having said that I would recommend the 35mm: although £70 more, it's a more useful focal length, and will autofocus on the D40/D60/D3000/D5000 as well.
 
martsham, thanks.
i was just playing with the kit lens and sticking it on 35mm and 50mm etc.
main pics i take are of family and new born baby, and i think the 35mm might be too close to the little guy constantly. but i see what you mean about the 35mm. will try and pick up a used 50mm to tie me over for the moment
 
since getting my minolta 50 f1.7 i love primes, and now im going to get a 30mm f2.8 macro (the new sam) a 50mm f1.4, and a tamron 90mm macro. i do believe that a telephoto lens "100-200mm range" will be a zoom because when i have action shots i dont have time to keep swapping lenses. primes are brilliant if time is on your side however if you need to be quick then its a zoom for me.
 
Ok, there's a lot of misinformation going on here.

Rafiki: I've looked at the comparison set you've posted on flickr. The photos taken with the kit lens are completely underexposed. You've drawn your conclusions based on an unfair comparison. The photos taken with the 50mm f/1.8 are exposed properly.

What you need to do is correctly expose the photos taken with the kit lens. You're really going to need to slow down the shutter speed to get the equivalent exposure: camera shake will start to creep in then when you're hand holding.

The bottom line is: the 50mm f/1.8 is a much better lens for low light than the kit lens. Shutter speeds will be faster, so motion blur will be reduced. Yes, VR will help reduce the effects of camera shake hand-holding with the kit lens, but it won't stop motion if your subject is moving. If the subject is stationary, you'd be better off using a tripod and not worrying too much about fast lenses or shutter speeds.

I'll be honest here, the example you've posted is a strange one: shutter speed 1/25 indoors hand-held with a stationary subject really isn't a sensible scenario, and is a recipe for camera shake. Either use a tripod for non-moving subjects indoors, or use higher ISO, faster shutter speeds and wider apertures for moving subjects hand-held in low light. Try not to combine the two techniques. The D90 should be good for up to ISO 3200 if necessary.

Think my comparision is definately flawed. However, the more i'm using this lens, the better I'm getting to understanding how to gain the best performance from this little 50 :)
Because I've never experienced using these fast lens, it's a steep learning curve....but getting there :thumbs:
I've never pushed the ISO to 3200 so will be giving that a go.

Thanks for the tips.
 
the short answer to that question is because as a focal length 50mm is probably the easiest to design, engineer and manufacture.

Hugh
 
thanks to another owner linking this link:
http://www.digitalfirst.co.uk/productsDA.asp?DepartmentID=119

it's £100 there

what i don't understand why is the, 35mm f1.8 £200 and 85mm f1.8 @ £300; and why the 50mm is so much cheaper?

That's not the best price @ £105 delivered. Jessops is the best price @ £109 with 10% quidco cashback. Free delivery, or my preferred method, collect in store. Much better to build up a relationship with a local bricks and mortar store if you have one local.

The 35mm f/1.8 AF-S includes a focus motor, hood, and proper rear cap so it's a bit more complicated. Although the 35mm f/2 doesn't, and it's more expensive still. The 85mm f/1.8 is a larger, heaver lens made of lots of metal, and comes with a spectacular metal hood. Price is usually reflected in build quality. The 50mm f/1.8 is much ligher and more plasticky.

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the short answer to that question is because as a focal length 50mm is probably the easiest to design, engineer and manufacture.

Hugh

:agree: only I would remove the word probably.

Optical design and manufacture is a complicated field, and not one that could be covered in a forum thread. Worth googling lens or optic manufacture and having a read, I used to be heavily into astronomy, some telescope lens elements take weeks to make, and then can be rejected for the smallest flaw, on the larger elements a fair amount of the work is carried out by hand.
 
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