Nikon FX - what would you do....

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**DISCLAIMER - Yes, I know I've done several threads on this before over the years but now I have a green light to what I can have through work** :lol:

What with the new D800 and D4 bodies now in the mix, things have gone a bit complicated in terms of searching for the right FX body....

I have budgeted £2000 for used D3 + £650 for a 16-45mm f/4+ £280 for a 1.7x TC.

I have had my eye on a D3 for ages now, as it is the natural successor to my D2x, albeit with a different sensor format. I like the idea of brilliant build and weather sealing, plus the good compromise between pixels and overall image quality, especially the detail and high ISO capabilities. Also, it's my preferred choice because it has a built-in grip. Of course, a used one is my only option in this respect and depending on condition and shutter usage I'm looking at £1500-£2000, of which no VAT can be reclaimed so the price tags is what the company pays out.

As a cheaper option there's the D700. I don't mind the form factor of the D300/D700 but there's the additional cost of a grip to figure in (let's say £250), especially if I'm going to get fps that equals or betters my current set-up and/or that of the D3. I've been assured that it's a pretty tough camera, although the weather sealing isn't as good as the Dx series. The built-in flash isn't really of worth because I use an SU-800.
With the VAT reclaim, a new one is actually less than most used ones from dealers. Work would be happy too because it's the cheap option, although the remainder could be used to fund a D7000 because I need video functionality.

The D7000 isn't enough of a camera for me to be used on its own, although it could make a good back-up, especially as it carries a useful HD video function and is DX so can give me extra reach from a telephoto now-and-then without loss of pixels.

D3s - this is the kit that is unfortunately, just out of reach. It's looking about £2750 before the VAT is added but it does combine everything the D3 offers with much of what the D7000 offers on the video front, effectively doing the job of two cameras. I could keep a D2x as a spare but I need to do some serious arm-twisting to get the extra spend out of work.

D800 - my head is saying that with its exceptional megapixel count and the video functionality (which looks excellent) this could be the dark horse of the Nikon line-up but I know that 36mp and 4fps just isn't a package that suits me 100 per cent. As I've said elsewhere, 16-20mp but blistering pace would have been spot-on. Before the VAT is added then we're looking at under £1900, which fits the budget, but then I'd need a grip. Even without the grip, I just can't seem to feel comfortable with the idea of a camera that would be more at home in the studio.

D3x and D4 are out of the question.

No-one knows yet when the D400 and the D700 upgrade will arrive so it's pointless thinking about those options.

With Focus 2012 coming up, there may be some form of saving to be had (probably marginal) and there's no telling what stock will be available of used D3 bodies and of the D3s.

Not really sure what route to take TBH....
 
buy a 3rd party grip still get the fps with those.

what exactly are you wanting to upgrade for other than the the D2X being utter pants lol
 
POAH said:
buy a 3rd party grip still get the fps with those.

what exactly are you wanting to upgrade for other than the the D2X being utter pants lol

Heathen :)

I need better high ISO. Other than that, the D2x is a great body for my purposes. Seeing as Nikon has not carried on a DX body with a built in grip, those are my options above.

What we looking at for 3rd party grips? £100 saving over OEM?
 
specialman said:
Heathen :)

I need better high ISO. Other than that, the D2x is a great body for my purposes. Seeing as Nikon has not carried on a DX body with a built in grip, those are my options above.

What we looking at for 3rd party grips? £100 saving over OEM?

My mieke grip for the d700 was £40. That also included the BL3 which Nikon want £25 for alone. I won't ever buy a Nikon grip again, there is no need.
 
D3 would be my recommendation, especially in your kind of working environment. Not to say the D700 wouldn't be adequate, but there is more of a sense of solidity to the build, you've got dual card slots for instant backup and the battery lasts forever.
 
A MB-D12 grip for the D800 is a massive £350+ :eek:

:thinking: Wonder how long before aftermarket ones are available and at what cost....
 
D3 would be my recommendation, especially in your kind of working environment. Not to say the D700 wouldn't be adequate, but there is more of a sense of solidity to the build, you've got dual card slots for instant backup and the battery lasts forever.

That's pretty much how I've been thinking for the last year - plus, I have half a dozen EN-EL4/4a batteries that will work fine. Forgot about the dual card slots though... handy indeed.
 
And don't we think that D3 prices will noisedive once D4 is established in the market? I'd seriously wait for that.

Then I can't understand, what exactly is wrong with D300, a direct upgrade from D2x, as you are already considering other small bodies like D700. You don't need to stick with it for years, just sell on, once a better offer comes your way.
 
I have budgeted £2000 for used D3 + £650 for a 16-45mm f/4+ £280 for a 1.7x TC.

I have had my eye on a D3 for ages now, as it is the natural successor to my D2x, albeit with a different sensor format. I like the idea of brilliant build and weather sealing, plus the good compromise between pixels and overall image quality, especially the detail and high ISO capabilities. Also, it's my preferred choice because it has a built-in grip.

What is there to change your mind? Apart from the recent announcement of new shiny things... :D The D-3 seems the logical choice.
 
And don't we think that D3 prices will noisedive once D4 is established in the market? I'd seriously wait for that.

Then I can't understand, what exactly is wrong with D300, a direct upgrade from D2x, as you are already considering other small bodies like D700. You don't need to stick with it for years, just sell on, once a better offer comes your way.

The D3 was discontinued in 2010, it is already pretty cheap considering the cost of a D4 - one sold on the classifieds here for £1250 this week. As for the D300, fine as it is the high ISO performance isn't a patch on the D700/D3 and that's the OP's reason for upgrading as far as I can tell.
 
The D3 was discontinued in 2010, it is already pretty cheap considering the cost of a D4 - one sold on the classifieds here for £1250 this week. As for the D300, fine as it is the high ISO performance isn't a patch on the D700/D3 and that's the OP's reason for upgrading as far as I can tell.

OK, at that price D3 would be a no-brainer. At £2k it is far less clear cut.
I agree, D300 is not D3 or close, but still has significantly better high ISO than D2x.
 
Not sure it's necessarily what you want but surely the used D3x prices have to come down ? Apart from the quality of construction and the gripped body what does it offer over a D800 ? Such a specialist camera anyway but it's even more specialist now......

Really don't see why a second hand D3x should be much more than £2k or am I bonkers ?!?!
 
Not sure it's necessarily what you want but surely the used D3x prices have to come down ? Apart from the quality of construction and the gripped body what does it offer over a D800 ? Such a specialist camera anyway but it's even more specialist now......

Really don't see why a second hand D3x should be much more than £2k or am I bonkers ?!?!

Different market - the D800 is not a top line pro body like D3/D3s/D3x/D4
 
There's talk of a D300, but a D300S would be a better bet with 720P HD video, dual memory cards and I'd rate the ISO 3200 performance to be on a par with a D700's ISO 6400. The two cameras can use the same grips too.
 
I bought a link delight (meike) grip for £54 with 3 batteries but due to 'issues' I ended up with four of the AA battery holders. Then I ended up with 40 Eneloop batteries so I tried them in the grip....

If you stick a normal battery in the grip ie the same battery that is in the camera it is STILL 5fps, to get 8fps you need to install 8 AA batteries or use the BL3 (included) and a D3 battery.

I found that the eneloop batteries are simply brilliant and I basically have two/three holders with 8 batteries in each I then start with one and as they flatten and it switches to the internal battery I then stick the other holder in instead.

The meike grip is virtually indistinguishable from the Nikon one OTHER THAN the Nikon one is made of the same metal as the D700 body and is weather proof whereas the meike one is made of plastic and is not guaranteed weather proof.

Personally I would get a second hand D700 and spend more on glass but if it ended up being a choice of new D700 or D800 I would get the D800. (this is not from personal exp as I've not even held one :D)
 
Knowing the type of work you do, I'd say it has to be a pro body, so either D3s or D3 and D7000 as back up/video.

Either way I like to have both full frame and cropped sensor cameras as it kind of gives you two sets of lenses...
 
Beardy - D3 just doesn't suit me. I can't see used prices coming down to £2000 from a £5000+ RRP and regardless, its all megapixels at the expense of speed and high ISO performance. If someone offered me one for less than two grand I would of course think about it but I expect the men in white coats may be on their way to cart him off :lol:

DigitalRelish - I've kind of discounted the D300s but without thinking of a reason. Probably because it has video but it's not got the more polished performance of the news video-enabled bodies. :)

Cowasaki - I think you've just reminded me why I want a body with a built-in grip. Additional grips are good, especially if you want to 'downsize' the form factor of a body like a D300 or a D700. But the battery issue is something that swings it for me - I have half a dozen EN-EL4 batteries that each give me about (or at least) 1500 shots per charge, miles more than any smaller battery I've ever used in a DSLR and more than a bank of AAs in a grip could give, I'm sure.
More/better glass isn't an issue; I'll get that anyway, if I don't already have it. Think the 17-55 will have to go though and get swapped for a 24-70mm.... that will make me sad :)

Lewis - That's a great point Lewis. The D3 won't crop down as good as using something like a D7000 for telephoto work. Man, I really wish Nikon had continued with a high-end DX body.....

Yep, I think my mind is made up. I got side-tracked with all the goodies that have been announced - shame on me :lol:

D3 + D7000 for video will be ideal, with hopefully a D3s or whatever the video-enabled D700 will be called in the future...
 
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Cowasaki - I think you've just reminded me why I want a body with a built-in grip.

Pat - I had a D700/MB-D10 and handling-wise this combination wasn't in the same league as the D3x I have now. Apart from anything else I found the MB-D10 didn't lock on to the body firmly enough - i.e. the D700 would twist away from the grip when moving the combo around on a ballhead. I'll be going for a D800/800E (can't decide which) but don't know if I'll sell the D3x yet - I should do I suppose but this body has superb handling.
 
Pat - I had a D700/MB-D10 and handling-wise this combination wasn't in the same league as the D3x I have now. Apart from anything else I found the MB-D10 didn't lock on to the body firmly enough - i.e. the D700 would twist away from the grip when moving the combo around on a ballhead. I'll be going for a D800/800E (can't decide which) but don't know if I'll sell the D3x yet - I should do I suppose but this body has superb handling.

I've never had the same problem with my grip but I do prefer the larger body. At the moment though there isn't really a full sized D800, the closest being the D3x and there isn't really a smaller D4!
 
I've never had the same problem with my grip but I do prefer the larger body.

The D700/MB-D10 was a real nuisance when used on my BH-55 head, especially with a heavy-ish lens (e.g. 24-70). With the BH-55 drag set adjusted for balance it was impossible to tilt the camera up or down properly - the body would start to move before the grip did. The only way round it was to reduce the drag, tilt the camera, then increase the drag again. :bang: I certainly won't be getting a grip for the D800!


At the moment though there isn't really a full sized D800, the closest being the D3x .....

Exactly. I wish they'd put the 36MP sensor in a full size body before they released the D800. :bang:
 
D3 + D7000 for video will be ideal, with hopefully a D3s or whatever the video-enabled D700 will be called in the future...

Good lad. Exactly what I was gonna say.
 
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