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Is it just me or does there seem to have been a big drop in the number of camera bodies for sale in the used forum section?
I sold my 1DmkIV with the intention of downgrading back to a used 7D and at the time of selling the mkIV there were loads for sale. Since then I haven't seen a single one, nor a 5DmkII which is my other option. What's the deal?

I have some work for a local charity to do soonish. I have lenses but no camera body to use. :bonk:
 
I agree there has been a drop in the number of bodys for sale. Which i guess is saying not as many people are buying bodys anymore!
 
Yeah I was referring to Canon as I never go in the Nikon section.
 
Ever rising prices, not just in camera gear - think fuel! - means that fewer people are upgrading. No upgrades, no castoffs. Apart from which, what has Canon released at the top end in the last year? Nothing. The 5D2 is near prehistoric. The 7D has been out for 18 months and the 1D4 for almost as long. Those that wanted them probably have them by now. Those that might still want them are probably spending their money on things like food and fuel.

Many of my cameras have been bought close to the release date. Since buying my 7D and 5D2 in October 2009 my camera spending has ground to a halt. There is nothing to upgrade to that I care to spend my money on. Even when something better gets released I doubt I shall afford it. My 7D, 5D2 and 1D3 are going to be seeing service with me for a good while yet.

I do have a 30D, 40D and a couple of EF-s lenses to dispose of, but I haven't put them up for sale. Maybe I should. It sounds like there might be a sellers' market. :)
 
Not to topic - Why I cant see used stuff for sell? Cause I'm new or cause I'm blind? :)
 
i think there is a minimum post count to see the classifieds section.
 
Who is this guy? Is it someone who should be avoided? :thinking:

just spent more time buying and selling than he did taking photos

then the financial situation was a rollercoaster causing him to put items up for sale, take payment, and then refund and not send the gear

see the link to AV - he has previously sold a 7D to downgrade. He then bought a new one and is having to sell the new one less than a month later :cuckoo:
 
just spent more time buying and selling than he did taking photos

then the financial situation was a rollercoaster causing him to put items up for sale, take payment, and then refund and not send the gear

see the link to AV - he has previously sold a 7D to downgrade. He then bought a new one and is having to sell the new one less than a month later :cuckoo:
I see. ;)

I have to admit I had a 7D and sold it, got a 1DmkIII and sold then. Then got a 1DmkIV and have now sold that to fund other things. I now badly want another mkIV. Trying to find the perfect camera can lose you a lot of money swapping and changing. :(
 
I see. ;)

I have to admit I had a 7D and sold it, got a 1DmkIII and sold then. Then got a 1DmkIV and have now sold that to fund other things. I now badly want another mkIV. Trying to find the perfect camera can lose you a lot of money swapping and changing. :(


Wasn't just bodies:

He wanted off camera, then studio setup, then off camera again but with newer and built in wireless models rather than getting something like Cactus V3 or Pocket wizards

The 7D upgrade/downgrade/upgrade/sell was after a whole mess after poreviously upgrading to 60D for wireless flash functionality.
 
The 5D Mark II may be almost prehistoric (Tim :) ) but I'm still going to get one. Some outlets are now showing on back order but others aren't.
The Mark III may be coming out later this year (or later because of possible production problems due to the situation in Japan) and heaven knows what the price tag will be.
I've never seen many Mark II's on here for sale, just the odd one here and there.
 
The 5D Mark II may be almost prehistoric (Tim :) ) but I'm still going to get one.

And I'm still keeping mine. Nothing wrong with it, but by now I would think that most who want one would already have bought. The 7D has shown the sort of features that could be included in a non professional body and it just makes the 5D2 appear a bit underspecced. Its trump card is without doubt IQ, although its not perfect there, but in every other department I think it is quite a way behind the curve. I'm not just talking about AF or frame rate but things like a 100% viewfinder and a +/- 3 stop meter which both my 7D and 1D3 have. Then there's build, weatherproofing, sync speed and ergonomics too, and more features that the 7D sports (e.g. wireless flash control and the built in level), which I don't use but others might.

In many respects it's pretty much a full frame version of the 50D, but slower. Its age is showing. A lot.
 
I am not an expert, but I would say that a 5d is better value for money unless you want any of what the 5d2 has to offer - I don't need video, but the 5d2 is better in low light, so for me it was worth the money.
The 5d (yes, I hate the term 'classic' too) is still a very good camera, and for the £620 odd it costs worth every penny.
 
A full frame sensor gathers 1.6x1.6 = 2.56X as much light as a Canon cropper. If you have the focal length available to frame the shot in the same way then you should see about 1 stop of improvement in noise performance. That can be important at higher ISOs or if you want to print/display at large sizes.

Apart from that the other value add is to potentially create shallower DOF if that's your aim, good for portraits and sports, not so good for everything.

If you want equal DOF for the same framing, which requires a longer focal length, you will need to stop down by a factor of 1.6X, which is almost 1.3 stops. e.g. where you might shoot with your 7D at 100mm and f/2.8 you would need to shoot at 160mm and f/4.5 for the same framing and DOF on a 5D or 5D2. If you stop down you'll have to drop your shutter speed or increase your ISO in order to maintain an equivalent exposure. If you can drop your shutter speed then you maintain the IQ advantage. If you increase your ISO instead you've just thrown away the noise advantage the larger sensor gave you. That's the theory at least.

There are other considerations too. The larger sensor tests the edge and corner performance of your lenses. You may (will) see increased vignetting, and may wish to apply lens corrections using LPIC in camera or through software. On the plus side the larger format means you enlarge the image less in order to produce your final print/display. That means that images can appear sharper. Errors like misfocus or poor lens IQ can be masked. Stopping down the lens for equivalent DOF can also improve lens performance, if you can reduce shutter speed.

Whether any of that is of value to you is something only you can say. If you want a play then maybe buy secondhand. You could always resell at little or no loss if you do that. If the interest is really more about full frame vs crop then a 5D should satisfy your curiosity. Of course the 5D2 adds video, AF microadjustment, sensor cleaning, a better screen and preview image, better battery life, better high ISO better build and maybe some other things too, but the choice is yours, not mine. :)

EDIT : What sort of subject most interests you for full frame? Maybe I can shoot an representative image with my 7D and 5D2 and send you the files for comparison.

EDIT 2: Oh, and of course the 5D2 adds many more megapixels over the 5D. The fact that I forgot to even mention that initially probably says something about just how (un)important they can be. People who take pictures rather than pixels probably don't much care. If they did then Nikon would be having a poor time of it with their D3, D3s and D700. I hear they're doing OK. :) Still, having 21MP files to process is a great excuse to upgrade your computer. :)
 
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I have a couple of friends, a Mr Burke and a Mr Hair who would be very interested in selling you some bodies if you are interested.
 
Or not as that thread has been shut down.

Somebody must have alerted the mods on AV, looks like his reputation on here preceded the sale
 
Such is the power and speed of electronic communication, wonder who grassed him up?
 
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