Nottinghamshire's Chief of Police more powerful than Parliament?

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Saw this earlier today.

"Nottinghamshire Police is recording incidents such as street harassment, verbal abuse, unwanted physical approaches and taking photographs without consent within the hate crime definition."

As far as I am aware English law states that no one has the right of privacy in a public place as regards being photographed and to change this requires an Act of Parliament. apparently the Chief Constable considers that he is above this and can make up his own rules as he goes along.

His English language skills aren't too good either, it should be 'are' not 'is'.
 
I don't understand.
They're taking photographs without consent, which they, and we, are allowed to do.
Where is the problem?
 
he hasn't changed the law, just what he records things as, so it will effect the number of hate crimes on record in his area. not people being arrested
 
Although the reports in the Independent, Guardian and Telegraph mention "photographs without consent" , the latest statement I can find on the website of the Nottinghamshire police does not -


http://www.nottinghamshire.police.u...m_medium=block-img-text&utm_campaign=homepage


However, and earlier statement does -

http://www.nottinghamshire.police.u...ce&utm_medium=spin-view&utm_campaign=homepage


I wonder if the reference to photographs is

(a) about cases which are really harrassment (eg pursuing someone and repeated taking photos of them, continually waiting outside their house and photographing them), or
(b) someone has pointed out that photographing someone in a way does not constitute harassment is legal.


Dave

BTW the Chief Constable of Nottinghamshire is a "she"
 
Sorry I didn't realise the Chief Constable was a woman, the report I saw made it seem as if it were a man.

As regards the change in the statement I strongly suspect that I have been far from the only one to notice it and someone has had a word in her ear.
 
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I can imagine severa very obvious circumstances where "taking photos without consent" could be a form of harassment within a hate crime definition. If you can't, I suggest you think about it some more.

I do wish people that own cameras wouldn't get so hung up on their "rights", there's a responsibility not to be a dick that goes along with them.
 
I saw this yesterday and nearly posted it to give the anti-pc brigade an apoplectic fit :). Have to say it wasn't the photo bit that I expected to cause a furore but the wolf whistling and unwanted sexual approaches.
 
Earley Man said:
His English language skills aren't too good either, it should be 'are' not 'is'.
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Nottinghamshire Police - proper noun, singular.

If you want to be pedantic, do try and get it right.
 
jakeblu said:
Have to say it wasn't the photo bit that I expected to cause a furore but the wolf whistling and unwanted sexual approaches.
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Stop doing it then. ;) :D
 
niko said:
he hasn't changed the law, just what he records things as, so it will effect the number of hate crimes on record in his area. not people being arrested
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AFFECT the number not EFFECT
 
Hugh Jarse said:
AFFECT the number not EFFECT
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thank you Mr pedantic, is it to make yourself feel superior you pull people up? because I cant see how it is any of your business, and you obviously understood what my meaning was.
i don't spot that sort of error, I am dyslexic so if spell check doesn't pull me up I always think its correct, it takes me a long time to error check my posts.
 
niko
I actually like to help people at least once a day. If you feel insulted well that is yoir privelege. Sadly, in life, many are judged for their use of language.
My correction was not wrapped in any criticksm but as you say I am a pedant (or Mr Pedant) and you are Dyslexic. Life can be cruel.
 
Hugh Jarse said:
niko
I actually like to help people at least once a day. If you feel insulted well that is yoir privelege. Sadly, in life, many are judged for their use of language.
My correction was not wrapped in any criticksm but as you say I am a pedant (or Mr Pedant) and you are Dyslexic. Life can be cruel.
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hi Hugh whilst i wont get drawn into an argument over this, life is to short and it just isn't important. if you wanted to help you could of sent a pm. I can spell check and grammar check very well, but this is a social forum to relax on not a dissertation to be graded. The interesting thing is you don't seem to spell check your own posts, including your reply to me;) and btw your spelling in the thread about the bombing could use looking at. o well have a good day nik
 
jakeblu said:
I saw this yesterday and nearly posted it to give the anti-pc brigade an apoplectic fit :). Have to say it wasn't the photo bit that I expected to cause a furore but the wolf whistling and unwanted sexual approaches.
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haven't got a clue who this is about ,but its gotta be either a super bit of crumpet ,a porn star ,or a politician :withstupid:
 
niko said:
hi Hugh whilst i wont get drawn into an argument over this, life is to short and it just isn't important. if you wanted to help you could of sent a pm. I can spell check and grammar check very well, but this is a social forum to relax on not a dissertation to be graded. The interesting thing is you don't seem to spell check your own posts, including your reply to me;) and btw your spelling in the thread about the bombing could use looking at. o well have a good day nik
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Your issue was the incorrect word as opposed to a spelling error.

As to my sending me a PM - you are absolutely correct - for which I stand admonished.

In fact you could have the whole moral high ground but that would have only been fully accomplished... had you sent me a PM.

3 words from me and all this.... I feel we are life long friends now [emoji3]
 
jakeblu said:
Have to say it wasn't the photo bit that I expected to cause a furore but the wolf whistling and unwanted sexual approaches.
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That was an in depth discussion on R2 earlier seems its now being classes as sexual harrasment.
2 women argueing opposite sides,
basically one said she felt threatened by it, the other flattered.
You can't please everyone eh? :D

Hugh Jarse said:
3 words from me and all this.... I feel we are life long friends now
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Awwww group :hug: :)
 
Cobra said:
That was an in depth discussion on R2 earlier seems its now being classes as sexual harrasment.
2 women argueing opposite sides,
basically one said she felt threatened by it, the other flattered.
You can't please everyone eh? :D


Awwww group :hug: :)
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I heard that today too.
Wolf whistles as a hate crime.
Whatever next? :police:
 
Cobra said:
That was an in depth discussion on R2 earlier
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Sorry, "in-depth" and "radio 2".. are you referring to Jeremy Vine?
 
Gremlin said:
Yeah but I bet you get waved at often you know the one
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I should report that post to the mods as offensive bullying....
Oh wait a minute :p
 
Cobra said:
I know, I hate it when I don't get them :(
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I hate when a group of grannies surround me and demand I take them ballroom dancing.... I feel my dignity is being destroyed...... damn youngsters
 
Alastair said:
I can imagine severa very obvious circumstances where "taking photos without consent" could be a form of harassment within a hate crime definition. If you can't, I suggest you think about it some more.

I do wish people that own cameras wouldn't get so hung up on their "rights", there's a responsibility not to be a dick that goes along with them.
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But not everybody who take street photographer is an "dick",but their does seem this attitude among some photographer that they are,and isn't the Chief Constable also taking a risk of starting moral policing,which happen in Islamic counties :confused:.
 
simonblue said:
But not everybody who take street photographer is an "dick",but their does seem this attitude among some photographer that they are,and isn't the Chief Constable also taking a risk of starting moral policing,which happen in Islamic counties :confused:.
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This isn't about street photography.

Just ****ing think about it for ten minutes. Don't assume it's about a/ you, or b/ photographers in general.
 
OK, who had post 28 as the post where Islam gets a mention? :)
 
Alastair said:
This isn't about street photography.

Just ****ing think about it for ten minutes. Don't assume it's about a/ you, or b/ photographers in general.
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The reason i said this is because i no of a policewoman,who believed it was her job to stop all street photographer, "on her patch".
Also it was part of her statement "photograph without consent", which is part street photograph,will be seen by some people as your not allow to take their photo without consent.

Also this is photographer forum,subject that people think will affect photographer,will be brought up
 
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Getting back to the original point - I had the exact same thought. The CC of Notts can only change what their Force records things as internally, as the definitions of offences are unchanged, as are crime recording standards. It's almost as if it's all just a bit of PR for the Chief and will have zero real world impact or affect/effect ((n)).

Maybe if the CC's of all Force's concerned themselves with police work rather than public relations, public relations wouldn't need improving so much.
 
Hugh Jarse said:
niko
I actually like to help people at least once a day. If you feel insulted well that is yoir privelege. Sadly, in life, many are judged for their use of language.
My correction was not wrapped in any criticksm but as you say I am a pedant (or Mr Pedant) and you are Dyslexic. Life can be cruel.
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:D
 
You missed the "yoir"... Both typos more than incorrect spellings or use of language.
 
I had a bit of an look into this and who was behind it,and turn out to just group of extremist (feminist) who want to wave the flag of freedom for women rights,just as long as its to their way of thinking (n)
 
simonblue said:
I had a bit of an look into this and who was behind it,and turn out to just group of extremist (feminist) who want to wave the flag of freedom for women rights,just as long as its to their way of thinking (n)
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No surprise there then :rolleyes:
 
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