olympus sp-565-uz

[mrtoad]

how low can they go

and who are they..

its a bargain for me with all the optional makes i have been viewing..

 

[HoppyUK]

It's yet another superzoom compact... :shrug:

If you want a jump up in quality, and less noise, you should be looking at a DSLR.

 

[mrtoad]

It's yet another superzoom compact... :shrug:

If you want a jump up in quality, and less noise, you should be looking at a DSLR.

thanks hoppy...despite my stick in the mud attitude i think you are right
but the pockets on my old anorak arent quite big enough

just as a insight to me as i havent even scratched the surface of the dslr market
where would i start to get good results etc..fair Mp big sensor etc..
price being a real consideration...
i have been looking at you guys snaps and they are on a different planet from mine..if that is what a dslr will do then i may have to buckle down and bend my neck
god bless
geof

 

[HoppyUK]

Geof, pretty much anything has a nice big sensor compared to a compact, and you don't have to go to full frame to get extremely high quality these days (even if that is remotely within budget).

These things always boil down to budget and at the entry level end Nikon D40 and Sony A200 will do the business. Or something similar - not sure what the latest models are, but there are no truly bad cameras about these days. However, the outfit that does it best IMHO is the Canon 450D with 18-55 IS (£470) and then 55-250 IS lens (£160) for a bit more reach.

It's got plenty of pixels on a good sensor, a nice screen, the basic kit lens is very good and the little 55-250 is a gem for really very little money. Then stick a 430EX flash on it and you're really rockin. Get a Raynox close-up lens for £40 for some macro fun. And with the future in mind, it's part of the biggest camera system known to man with the full panoply (spendid word, I must use it more often) of Canon kit just a pin number away.

You'll find the best prices on CameraPriceBuster here http://www.camerapricebuster.com/index.html

It's quite a small camera - might even fit in your anorak pocket

 

[mrtoad]

Geof, pretty much anything has a nice big sensor compared to a compact, and you don't have to go to full frame to get extremely high quality these days (even if that is remotely within budget).

These things always boil down to budget and at the entry level end Nikon D40 and Sony A200 will do the business. Or something similar - not sure what the latest models are, but there are no truly bad cameras about these days. However, the outfit that does it best IMHO is the Canon 450D with 18-55 IS (£470) and then 55-250 IS lens (£160) for a bit more reach.

It's got plenty of pixels on a good sensor, a nice screen, the basic kit lens is very good and the little 55-250 is a gem for really very little money. Then stick a 430EX flash on it and you're really rockin. Get a Raynox close-up lens for £40 for some macro fun. And with the future in mind, it's part of the biggest camera system known to man with the full panoply (spendid word, I must use it more often) of Canon kit just a pin number away.

You'll find the best prices on CameraPriceBuster here http://www.camerapricebuster.com/index.html

It's quite a small camera - might even fit in your anorak pocket

final question...maybe
do all dslr makes have the I/s in the lens...

 

[HoppyUK]

final question...maybe

That'll be a first

do all dslr makes have the I/s in the lens...

No, IS (Canon) and VR (Nikon) are in the lens. Other brands have in-body image stabilisation, which means that all lenses are automatically stabilised.

The advantage of in-lens is mainly that it also stabilises the viewfinder image which makes a big difference with some subjects and styles of shooting.

 

[mrtoad]

That'll be a first
No, IS (Canon) and VR (Nikon) are in the lens. Other brands have in-body image stabilisation, which means that all lenses are automatically stabilised.
The advantage of in-lens is mainly that it also stabilises the viewfinder image which makes a big difference with some subjects and styles of shooting.

i believe the in lens design is more costly?

i am thinking budget ideas now...what makes are body i/s
remember this is just about getting more pixels and a super processor
i/s may not be a factor
but another lens could
thanks hoppy...
geof

 

[HoppyUK]

i believe the in lens design is more costly?

It obviously must cost something, and there are a few lenses where the IS versions are more expensive, but plenty more where there doesn't appear to be any significant premium. The two lenses I've quoted above are exceptional value, with or without IS, and they both have very capable systems.

i am thinking budget ideas now...what makes are body i/s
remember this is just about getting more pixels and a super processor
i/s may not be a factor
but another lens could
thanks hoppy...
geof

Canon and Nikon are in-lens, most of the others are in-camera, eg Sony.

In terms of pixels and processors/noise, most entry level cameras are much of a muchness TBH. It's hard to pick out anything outstandingly good, they are all pretty good £-for-£ depending on what you pay.

There are incremental differences, but that tends to change with each new model. Just get a Canon or Nikon and you won't go wrong.

 

[mrtoad]

Just get a Canon or Nikon and you won't go wrong.

my words 25 years ago...i eventually got nikon starting with the ftn

the idea of a nikon digital body and non auto focus lenses (F bayonet?) i posted here some time ago...is that a good idea.. the lenses would i expect be all second hand...but considering my lack of enthusiasm anymore for prime lens weights around my shoulder
a zoom would be my only choice...and hopefully only one

i need to get a clearer head on what i really want to achieve and leave out the aspirative effect of photographing overkill
my prints will never really need to be over 6x4..for an album and showing online...at low dpi

but its bl**dy great to get a good un..

 

[HoppyUK]

my words 25 years ago...i eventually got nikon starting with the ftn

the idea of a nikon digital body and non auto focus lenses (F bayonet?) i posted here some time ago...is that a good idea.. the lenses would i expect be all second hand...but considering my lack of enthusiasm anymore for prime lens weights around my shoulder
a zoom would be my only choice...and hopefully only one

i need to get a clearer head on what i really want to achieve and leave out the aspirative effect of photographing overkill
my prints will never really need to be over 6x4..for an album and showing online...at low dpi

but its bl**dy great to get a good un..

I don't recommend using old film camera lenses on digital. They often don't give full functionality and the field of view gets all messed up with the different format. They are cheap to buy for a reason.

A superzoom might suit your usage - several lenses in one, effectively, eg Canon 18-200. Or the new 18-135 is cheaper I think, and smaller. Plenty of those around from Sigma/Tamron too.

 

[maarten.dhaese]

but the pockets on my old anorak arent quite big enough

Geof do you have a budget in mind? Even older DSLR models will give you better results than a compact and some of the cameras that I paid £500 and more for in 2004 - 2006 are now being sold for under £200 second-hand.

The reason I upgraded them was to get more responsive bodies, better high ISO, more reliable autofocus, bigger screens, inbuilt sensor clean, etc. However in terms of image quality the results at ISO 100 to 400 from say the 300D and the 350D are still pretty good. If you're never going to print bigger than 6 X 4 you don't really need more than 6 megapixels, probably even less.

If you tell us what you want to spend on a DSLR we may be able to come up with an affordable suggestion.

 

[mrtoad]

I don't recommend using old film camera lenses on digital. They often don't give full functionality and the field of view gets all messed up with the different format. They are cheap to buy for a reason.

A superzoom might suit your usage - several lenses in one, effectively, eg Canon 18-200. Or the new 18-135 is cheaper I think, and smaller. Plenty of those around from Sigma/Tamron too.

hi again
just handled the panasonic G1...a bridge cam feel with removeable lenses
no mirror and very compact
a deal on just now
saw it in blackburn

thinking :|

 

[HoppyUK]

hi again
just handled the panasonic G1...a bridge cam feel with removeable lenses
no mirror and very compact
a deal on just now
saw it in blackburn

thinking :|

See my comment on your other thread. Panos are nice, but why the G1?

 

[mrtoad]

See my comment on your other thread. Panos are nice, but why the G1?

i like the size...its compact
and may just be the size i want...although i am not all that fussed about a lens system
i would prefer a larger zoom but more compact as on the bridge cameras
price...well everything seems too much for just taking snaps:|