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I came across a handful of these as we were having a clearout of 'stuff' around the house. Still boxed. I looked on e6ay to see if there were any for sale and was surprised to see they go for virtually nothing now. I worked on one, I can't remember which year, I'll have to look. Peter Roberts was the marketing director for Pirelli at the time. I am really surprised that 'blokes' don't collect this sort of thing anymore. In fact I am not sure Pirelli still do their famous glamour calendar now.being boring.

Why is it that blokes don't like pinups anymore. In the bike world there are still some, but it seems we have been sterilised and PC'd into being boring. Is it the feministas having so much sway? I really don't understand it. Glamour used to be, probably, the biggest photographic style. Car shows and bike shows used to use glamour to good effect. The bike show still does, especially on our stand, we haven't given up on it, neither have the insurance companies. Blokes who ride motorbikes still like to look at pretty girls, I think real blokes from any part of society do.

So what has happened? Or is it that people only have small houses now and don't have the space to collect thngs? Or is it just the glamour genre has fallen out of favour? Whaddayareckon?
 
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Quite possibly Simon, because it's not politically correct to objectify women as a sexual object any more, or to attempt to use sex to sell stuff?

Being a woman myself, I personally find it a little sickening when I've been to car shows and watch all the men with their cameras 'perving' over these scantily clad women, under the guise of taking photos of the cars... 'can you just lean forward a bit love?' 'can you bend over a bit more darling?' etc etc.

The Pirelli calendars Ive seen have looked tasteful - however there is nothing tasteful about any aspect of these ladies being asked to drape themselves over machinery, whilst having a group of men drooling over them.
 
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Porn is consumed by both men and women. But it is no longer considered acceptable to use blatent sex as a sales and marketing tool.
But it is undoubtedly true that there are more images of undresses people and sex published to day, than in any previous time in history.

Pc seems to be about segregation and classification of images, rather than no images of a sexual nature at all.
 
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Being a woman myself, I personally find it a little sickening when I've been to car shows and watch all the men with their cameras 'perving' over these scantily clad women, under the guise of taking photos of the cars... 'can you just lean forward a bit love?' 'can you bend over a bit more darling?' etc etc.
I'm getting old then. I had the mickey taken when I asked the model to move aside as I couldn't get a good shot of the details....
 
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As for the Calendars - keep them, or I'll have them to keep. They'll bound to come back in fashion at some point. If not they'll be a good historical document of photography
 
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Quite possibly Simon, because it's not politically correct to objectify women as a sexual object any more, or to attempt to use sex to sell stuff?

Being a woman myself, I personally find it a little sickening when I've been to car shows and watch all the men with their cameras 'perving' over these scantily clad women, under the guise of taking photos of the cars... 'can you just lean forward a bit love?' 'can you bend over a bit more darling?' etc etc.

The Pirelli calendars Ive seen have looked tasteful - however there is nothing tasteful about any aspect of these ladies being asked to drape themselves over machinery, whilst having a group of men drooling over them.
Sex is still used, and will continue to be used to sell stuff. While it continues to work, no one is going to stop it, they just have to be more 'sensitive' (ie covert / balanced).

Just look at the perfume adds on TV - you've naked women walking out of pools and you've naked men being spied on by women - what ever works for the target audience.

Another thing that has changed is the delta between 'normal' and 'glamour' - what would have been considered risqué glamour not so very long ago are now normal going out clothes for an evening for some. Getting your kit off and sharing a photo is 'empowering' and is the bread and butter of many a charity / cause celeb campaigns etc.

Is using nudity to sell / promote different to using sex to sell? The content producer may well intend the former, but it's the consumer who decides whether it's the latter.
 
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Some women are total hypocrites as the majority show off their figure especially cleavage. Maybe its time women were made to cover up and look like cloth sacks when they venture out.
 
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Tastes and social mores have changed, and as noted above, there's more porn being produced than ever but consumption is now intended to be less in the workplace and more either in private with left-handed surfing, or in places of mutual consent like cinemas.

The days of glamour as it used to be with high production values appear mostly over, though whether that's good or bad is debatable.
 
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Some women are total hypocrites as the majority show off their figure especially cleavage. Maybe its time women were made to cover up and look like cloth sacks when they venture out.
Correct !! If a man snaps a model in underwear he could be considered a perv by some yet 90% of the female population went mad for that 50 shades book . Don't talk about the film , the poor cinema staff had to put wet floor signs out across the nation !!!! Dirty woman !!!
 
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Blokes who ride motorbikes still like to look at pretty girls, I think real blokes from any part of society do
When I was doing my motorbike license a year or two ago at the training centre there was a photo on the toilet wall of these glamour models next to a bike. I remember thinking it was bit... I don’t know... antiquated. A bit tasteless. I certainly wasn’t offended and the feeling wasn’t “this is politically incorrect” but I was a bit disappointed that these chaps were conforming to such a dated stereotype. Whether that means I’m not a ‘real bloke’ I don’t know!
 
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Quite possibly Simon, because it's not politically correct to objectify women as a sexual object any more, or to attempt to use sex to sell stuff?

Being a woman myself, I personally find it a little sickening when I've been to car shows and watch all the men with their cameras 'perving' over these scantily clad women, under the guise of taking photos of the cars... 'can you just lean forward a bit love?' 'can you bend over a bit more darling?' etc etc.

The Pirelli calendars Ive seen have looked tasteful - however there is nothing tasteful about any aspect of these ladies being asked to drape themselves over machinery, whilst having a group of men drooling over them.
I know what you mean - but ask the girls themselves if they actually mind. I would imagine if they did, they wouldn't be there in the first place. If they do, and they are still there on the basis 'they need the money', then we know what sort of girls they really are. ;)
 
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...Why is it that blokes don't like pinups anymore.... Whaddayareckon?
I was doing some work (with the Stanner) at my local garage last month and to my surprise on the table they had a brand new calendar featuring scantied wimminz,
I thought it a bit of an anachronism but was pleased to see traditions kept up.
 
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I know that girlie calendars are now banned on the shop floor of the factory where I work. I’ve no real opinion on the issue, but I imagine that if I was a woman on the shop floor I wouldn’t want to be surrounded by photos of a (probably younger) woman’s chest and butt all day. The wolf whistles and such like that women used to have to contend with in the past when they walked across the factory floor have now been consigned to the dustbin of history.
 
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Some of the comments on this thread just proves that some men have not really moved on (grown up) Whilst we can debate the sexulisation of women and to a lesser extent men, it needs to be done without some men resorting to comments that belong in the past.
 
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Whilst we can debate the sexulisation of women and to a lesser extent men, it needs to be done without some men resorting to comments that belong in the past.
Those comments may belong in the past to you, but they belong in the present for those making them. If you would win people round to what you believe to be a right view of sexualisation then you need strong positive reasons why they should agree with you.

There's also a bit of irony going on in the thread that's not always helpfully suppoprted with smilies.
 
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Tastes and social mores have changed, and as noted above, there's more porn being produced than ever but consumption is now intended to be less in the workplace and more either in private with left-handed surfing, or in places of mutual consent like cinemas.

The days of glamour as it used to be with high production values appear mostly over, though whether that's good or bad is debatable.
*&$^£%@ brilliant :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

We have (tasteful) calendars in the workshop. Helps to cheer you up some days :)

I also have a 'girls with tattoos calendar' at home. Bought by my other half. She likes looking at it almost as much as me :)
 
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Pretty girls of my acquaintance are always flattered by getting a whistle - it is a sign of appreciation and is usually greeted with a smile and possibly a wink back.

Ugly girls generally complain about wolf whistles, presumably because they don't get any.

And that, ladies and gentlemen sums up the entire thread.

Not in a good way.
 
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If as much debate, time and effort went into trying to solve the real world problems we'd all be in a better place.
 
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Correct !! If a man snaps a model in underwear he could be considered a perv by some yet 90% of the female population went mad for that 50 shades book . Don't talk about the film , the poor cinema staff had to put wet floor signs out across the nation !!!! Dirty woman !!!
The question is, who agreed to take her clothes off for the photo shoot...mmmmm?
 
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So called "glamour" has all but gone, though in some respects it's been replaced with boudoir photography. As far as I can tell boudoir is done for more personal reasons (women doing it for themselves or to treat a partner to some sensual images) whereas glamour is less subtle in style and more commercial too.

As for their place in public view, I think those days are gone. I don't want to see pictures of naked men around the workplace/workshop/etc just as much as women want to see pictures of naked women. It is sexualisation and objectification of women, which is unacceptable in modern society.
What people chose to enjoy in their own home is upto them, but it shouldn't be put out there where people have no choice about whether they can see it or not, in much the same way as we think about passive smoking.
For some guys over the age of 30, it might seem perfectly acceptable to have this stuff around, but those old fashioned views of women influence the way the next generation treat women.
 
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So called "glamour" has all but gone, though in some respects it's been replaced with boudoir photography. As far as I can tell boudoir is done for more personal reasons (women doing it for themselves or to treat a partner to some sensual images) whereas glamour is less subtle in style and more commercial too.

As for their place in public view, I think those days are gone. I don't want to see pictures of naked men around the workplace/workshop/etc just as much as women want to see pictures of naked women. It is sexualisation and objectification of women, which is unacceptable in modern society.
What people chose to enjoy in their own home is upto them, but it shouldn't be put out there where people have no choice about whether they can see it or not, in much the same way as we think about passive smoking.
For some guys over the age of 30, it might seem perfectly acceptable to have this stuff around, but those old fashioned views of women influence the way the next generation treat women.
I agree that a number of calendars in the 70's were dreadful, however (ageist Sam) there is so much s***e in public and on TV these days that I have to endure, where are my rights?
 
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I agree that a number of calendars in the 70's were dreadful, however (ageist Sam) there is so much s***e in public and on TV these days that I have to endure, where are my rights?
When talking about stuff on TV or in newspapers or magazines, you can chose not to watch that TV programme, change the channel; or not buy that sort of paper or magazine. As for what's on public display, some of that does come under advertising standards and can be reported.

Out of curiosity I have looked and looking at the images for the 2019 calendar, they are all pretty tame (from what's available online here ). Only 2 or 3 actually nude, the rest are clothed. Some are infact pretty modest (including 4 shots of Gigi Hadid, all clothed). It's actually a good selection of portraits.

The calendars of old and other such 'glamour' are just soft-p0rn. This new one is not.
I still wouldn't hang it up in a public place.
 
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When talking about stuff on TV or in newspapers or magazines, you can chose not to watch that TV programme, change the channel; or not buy that sort of paper or magazine. As for what's on public display, some of that does come under advertising standards and can be reported.
Is that so! Well I'd like to inform that you're totally incorrect, plus I'm not interested what the advertising standards have to say.
 
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Well I'd like to inform that you're totally incorrect
You can't change the channel?
Or choose not to look at/buy magazines?
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Edit: noticed you limit who can view your profile....says it all really.
 
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Beckham in his underwear



But then it's nothing new

How about the 1934 photo of Johnny Weissmuller by George Hurrell



etc etc
 
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The thing is, I'm not bothered by those images or adverts but to be PC we should be bothered by similar images of women.

Ah well, such is life.
 
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