Polarising filter and lens hood?

thanks :-) I'm in Aberdeenshire though, bit far....

I've messaged Flash in the Pan about a flash he has for Canon.....

Good. Make sure it is Canon E-TTL compatible. He does some manual-only guns which are great value but will be a nightmare in that kind of situation.
 
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hope that works. I think it does, but haven't heard back from him yet...
 
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hope that works. I think it does, but haven't heard back from him yet...

Link not working, but it says YN465 which is E-TTL :thumbs: Does it come with a Stofen type diffuser? That would be handy for bounce-fill indoors.
 
Haven't heard back from him yet - not sure if you get one with, or not.... confusing thing is, my existing flash is meant to be E-TTL........

Yes, the pop-up is E-TTL. Why is that confusing?

E-TTL is Canon speak for their through the lens flash metering and control system. With a compatible flash, the exposure is controlled by the camera which moderates the power output. And depending what mode you're in, it will also balance it against the ambient light exposure, which is what you want here.

E-TTL will also do 1001 other things, like control multiple remote units wirelessly. It's pretty amazing technology. All the major manufacturers have similar systems.
 
Just to jump on here again, AV would be the best to use to learn how to get shots nailed?
 
No, sorry, I meant my existing flashgun (should have been specific). It's confusing because it's crap and seems to vary between giving me a nicely exposed shot, and giving me a total white out in the same situation. I can't work out how to make it consistently give me nice results. I've never really used the pop up flash at all (was advised in the early days to turn it off and keep it off - perhaps dud advice?).

I started another thread about this, and Flash in the Pan says it won't do what I want it to do, which seems to be the case (I basically need to use guesswork with aperture and shutter speed til I get a decent result). But if that's the case, why does it even have an E-TTL light at all? (which only lights up some of the time).
 
Gigabyte - perhaps but not with my flashgun, because on AV the shutter speed was so slow that I just got blurry shots. On manual at least I can whack up the shutter speed to something more reasonable, albeit I have to use guesswork to get the SS and aperture right given the flash just seems to pump out maximum output every time (so as not to get whited out shots from there being too much light - I effectively have to tone down the light entering the lens with a higher shutter speed and sometimes a smaller aperture). In AV mode, the camera system just didn't acknowledge that there was a flashgun on board so that shutter speed could be higher. Hope that makes sense.
 
Gigabyte - perhaps but not with my flashgun, because on AV the shutter speed was so slow that I just got blurry shots. On manual at least I can whack up the shutter speed to something more reasonable, albeit I have to use guesswork to get the SS and aperture right given the flash just seems to pump out maximum output every time (so as not to get whited out shots from there being too much light - I effectively have to tone down the light entering the lens with a higher shutter speed and sometimes a smaller aperture). In AV mode, the camera system just didn't acknowledge that there was a flashgun on board so that shutter speed could be higher. Hope that makes sense.

Yea, see what you mean. Looks like you will have to wait for a new Flash gun then. Obvikously, sometimes you need to get shots off quick without farting around.
 
Its ok.

On a side note, what do you think of the 500D? How long have you had it?
 
I love it! I've had it for a year come October, and I've learnt so much. The kit lens you get with it I don't rate, but I love the nifty fifty I got not long after it (for about £80 if I remember right) - as soon as I got that my shots came to life a lot more. I do honestly think it's a great camera. One day I'll hope to upgrade though as I'd like to be semi-pro one day. It's so addictive this photography lark :-)
 
I love it! I've had it for a year come October, and I've learnt so much. The kit lens you get with it I don't rate, but I love the nifty fifty I got not long after it (for about £80 if I remember right) - as soon as I got that my shots came to life a lot more. I do honestly think it's a great camera. One day I'll hope to upgrade though as I'd like to be semi-pro one day. It's so addictive this photography lark :-)

I was looking at a Nifty Fifty myself. Only got the kit lens at the mo. I like a zoom though! Do you think the image quality is a lot better than the kit lens then? Do you shoot different things?
 
Isn't P fully automatic? ... Isn't that for non-photographers really??

Hi,

P and Av are equally automatic. Camera bases exposure fully automatically on light through the lens and automatically determines your settings. Only difference is that with Av or S you tell the camera to only change one of the settings. P, Av and S are all fully automatic modes and none are more "professional" than the other, just depends on what you're doing.

If you're using flash, P might actually be better as the camera won't suddenly hit a limit when it cant go above 1/200.

Unless you have variable ISO, which I don't like, I'd stick with P for normal flash photography unless you have time to set everything before each shot which is unusual at a wedding.
 
There is a lot of confusion in your posts. The reason why the shutter speed is long when you're in Av is because the light level must be low and that's what's required for correct exposure. You can override it in manual but you will only get underexposure if you do. TBH, manual is best avoided until you know absolutely what's going on. I suspect this might be why you don't rate the kit lens, which is actually very capable, but the 50 1.8 can gather about six times more light.

I wrote this as an introduction to understanding the basics of photography and camera controls. I hope it's helpful http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=99841 It's a bit wordy, but stick with it :)

I thought the Yongnuo 465 was E-TTL but if FITP says it's not what you want, then it's obviously not. There's nothing wrong with the pop-up flash, it just has limitations, but when you need flash it's obviously better than nothing. And it's actually very good for fill-in flash outside. However, what you want is a flash with a bit of power and control, ideally a Canon 430EXII which also has a high speed sync mode which gets over the max 1/200sec flash sync speed problem. They cost £200 though; some of the cheaper options dont have the HSS facility. Can you borrow one? I'll happily lend you one of my Canon 580EX guns (which is even better) with a Stofen diffuser cap but it'll cost a few pounds to post RMSD for tomorrow. Send me a PM pronto!

My honest advice to you would be to get a decent flash, a Stofen-type diffuser, and shoot the whole thing in either Av or P. And the kit lens will be much more versatile than a nifty 50.
 
Hoppy, I appreciate your help, I honestly do, but I understand exposure! I know why the shutter speed is slow. ETA I hadn't finished typing. I understand exposure very well (partly as a result of always using manual I think, but also from lots of reading). It's how the flash interacts with THAT that I do not understand, as per my other thread. I suspect the problem is largely a cheap crappy flash.
ETA sorry to be narky, maybe am just annoyed that I've come across as a beginner when I'm not, and am working towards doing pro photography.
 
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OK am typing/reading in hurry have now caught the rest of your post, FITP thinks the flash will be perfect, and is going to send it to me next day delivery today. So I'll have it for the wedding :) Thank you so much for the offer of a loan of yours, that is really very kind. I'm honestly so much happier shooting in manual than AV and having full control but appreciate your points about the time it takes to set up each shot, so I'll give AV a go. But not P, I don't feel happy or confident about how such shots would turn out (any different to any of the other wedding guests? I suspect not).

I understand exposure but really do not know whether or not the addition of a TTL flashgun should allow me higher shutter speeds given the extra light available during the shot. How are you supposed to get a decent indoor shot if it's dark using AV, when you can only have a slow shutter speed and it's hand held? Surely upping the SS in manual allows for a less blurry shot, as long as there is enough light from the flash. I understand exposure well, until you factor in flash, then I'm a bit confused, yes.
 
Glad Graham has sorted you out with a flash gun. If it comes with a Stofen-style diffuser cap, so much the better :thumbs:

If you're more comfortable on manual, then that's fine. Same difference.

Crash course on flash. All DSLRs have a focal plane shutter which has two blinds (curtains) which travel down over the sensor one after the other. They operate only at one fixed speed and different shutter speeds are produced by varying the time between each curtain setting off. The problem with flash comes at higher speeds when the second curtain needs to go before the first one has got to the bottom of the frame. If the flash is fired at these higher speeds, only part of the sensor is uncovered at any one time so the rest of the picture cannot receive any flash illumination. You get a big dark band right across the bottom of the picture.

The max x-sync speed, ie 1/200sec with your camera, is the fastest speed at which the whole of the sensor is uncovered for a very brief moment before the second curtain has to move. That's when the flash is fired, to synchronise perfectly with that 'very brief moment' when the whole image can be exposed. You can also use any longer shutter speed, but not faster. Obviously, the shutter speed itself has no effect on the brightness of the flash.

The flash duration itself is very brief, typically between 1/1000sec and maybe 1/20,000sec. The E-TTL metering adjusts the duration to control the power output for correct exposure and it calculates this by issuing a pre-flash which goes out as soon as you press the shutter release. The pre-flash is metered and that sets the power of the main flash which goes out when the shutter is fully open. This all happens so fast you cannot distinguish the two flashes with the naked eye.

Depending on which exposure mode you're in, the camera can also balance the flash exposure with the ambient light level. In this way, you can effectively get two exposures in one - ie correct shutter speed and aperture for the ambient light and then the flash output which will be balanced to match the aperture.

Things to note are that flash is very sensitive to distance, and follows the inverse square law which says when you double the distance, the light is reduced to one quarter, ie two stops. In practise this means that if you have subjects both close to the flash and some further away, the chances are that the near ones will be over exposed and the far ones will be very much darker, so try and arrange everything at about the same distance. The ISL also means that flash falls off quickly over distance, so keep things close or you'll run out of power.

When shooting outside using fill-in flash, there's a danger that the ambient exposure will want to push the shutter speed above the 1/200sec threshold. No worries, you can get around that by either raising the f/number or reducing the ISO (or both) so that the corresponding shutter speed is brought down under 1/200sec again. (High Speed Sync is a clever trick that some flash guns can do to sort that out another way, but you won't have that feature.)

Using the Stofen is great for bounce-fill indoors (it will do nothing outdoors, except waste light) providing the ceiling isn't too high. If you point it up at about 60 degrees, most of the flash is directed at the ceiling which gives nice soft bounce light, then there is also a small amount of light which goes forward direct to the subject which fills in shadows under eyes and chins, and adds a sparkle to the eyes. It's particularly handy for weddings when big hats are shading faces. If you don't have a Stofen, I think that gun has a pull-out bounce card which does a similar thing, and works well - see here www.abetterbouncecard.com

E-TTL will do it's best to sort the exposure out in all these situations, and it generally does a pretty good job. If you don't like the result, on Av you can moderate the foregound exposure by adjusting the power of the flash (the gun should have a compensation control for this) and you can adjust the brightness of the background ambient exposure with +/- compensation on the camera, which will adjust the shutter speed accordingly.
 
I understand exposure but really do not know whether or not the addition of a TTL flashgun should allow me higher shutter speeds given the extra light available during the shot. How are you supposed to get a decent indoor shot if it's dark using AV, when you can only have a slow shutter speed and it's hand held?

To answer this question directly, you don't need a higher shutter speed when using first or second curtain flash. The flash of light is so fast it will freeze the motion, the trails of movement you might get from people dancing etc will come from the ambient light, not the flash.
 
wow, that's great of you to type all of that out after I'd been narky ;-) am at work now so will read through this tonight, thank you so much :)

:)
 
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