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For some months now we've had a youth tearing up and down our road on a mini moto sports bike. He just doesn't care at all and has nearly hit 2 cars and the kids from 3 doors down.

I heard him go post the other day and as I was in the office facing the road I got my camera out. Took a couple of snaps as he shot past.

Emailed the local police station with them, they recognised him and arrested him and they are going to be using my photo's as evidence against him in court! :O :)

However, bet he gets a conditional discharge of some sort or just another slap on the wrist! :(
 
Will he be able to tell from the angle of the pics where they where taken from and thus who by?
 
as KIPAX said if they find out you could have some serious trouble, if they are to use it in court it should be on your behalf its witness confidentiality which states its illegal to tell the criminal the identity of the witness and it should account for photographs.
 
mastertrinity said:
if they are to use it in court it should be on your behalf its witness confidentiality which states its illegal to tell the criminal the identity of the witness and it should account for photographs.
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Ok - you've found a completely new law nobody else knows about :shrug::shrug::shrug: a judge can order witness confidentiality if they think there is a good reason & interferring or attepting to interfer or threaten a witness is a bit likely to land you in lots of trouble, but there is no right to witness confidentiality.

Hugh
 
GMP (Greater Manchester Police) have had a crack down on these noisy bikes...anyone caught using one without the proper paperwork, insurance, etc has it confiscated and crushed :)
 
It's a cropped image with nothing in the background to indicate where it was taken from, although, I am not really worried about it tbh :)

Just had an email from the police, it won't be going to court, instead they are confiscating the bike from him and crushing it :D
 
Harvey_nikon said:
Just had an email from the police, it won't be going to court, instead they are confiscating the bike from him and crushing it :D
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Good. Another one off the road, although he should still be taken to court as well. That way you could've flogged the photo to the local paper for the court reports. ;)
Our local force are doing the same with the wee neds who cruise the retail parks after hours. They are given warnings for anti-social driving, and after three warnings cars are confiscated and crushed.
 
Tazmaniandevil said:
Good. Another one off the road, although he should still be taken to court as well. That way you could've flogged the photo to the local paper for the court reports. ;)
Our local force are doing the same with the wee neds who cruise the retail parks after hours. They are given warnings for anti-social driving, and after three warnings cars are confiscated and crushed.
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what a waste
crush the plonkers and sell the bikes on - proceeds to charity :bonk:
 
Tazmaniandevil said:
... Our local force are doing the same with the wee neds who cruise the retail parks after hours. They are given warnings for anti-social driving, and after three warnings cars are confiscated and crushed.
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Because they're clearly disturbing many members of the general public, congregating in an empty car park in the middle of the night.

Stroller.
 
That's quite a result, I'd say.

Did the Rozzers compliment you on your sensible choice of ISO and smooth panning technique?

If not, you should request that be taken into account if it ever does go to court:

"M'lud - I have photographs here of the culprit, which you will note were taken with a Nikon D60, but are still very good - taking into consideration the lighting conditions the photographer has sensibly set his ISO to 800, and his correct use of the servo setting has resulted in an excellent blurring effect of the background, while retaining focus on the subject. You will see the highlights reflected in the mudguard of the front wheel of the motorbike are clearly stated, without being blown, while the colour contrast is glorious without being over-saturated ..."
 
Ive always been amazed by the parents who actually buy their kids these bikes :bonk:. We had one up and down our road a while back at 7 something in the morning before the lad went to school (or bunked off) i was mad:bang: shot out of bed asked my eldest who it was (he knows them but doesnt get on with them) off i went round to his house and banged the hell out of his parents door to be met with................he's in bed isnt he?

Never heard it again since

idiots those parents who buy theri kids a bike like these
 
strolls, afaik you don't know where the car park is and you don't know what state they leave it in
 
boyfalldown said:
Ok - you've found a completely new law nobody else knows about :shrug::shrug::shrug: a judge can order witness confidentiality if they think there is a good reason & interferring or attepting to interfer or threaten a witness is a bit likely to land you in lots of trouble, but there is no right to witness confidentiality.

Hugh
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I argree, it's my understanding that his lawyer will get your details, so they can challenge your credability (or whatever) in court. Wayne
 
Tazmaniandevil said:
Good. Another one off the road, although he should still be taken to court as well. That way you could've flogged the photo to the local paper for the court reports. ;)
Our local force are doing the same with the wee neds who cruise the retail parks after hours. They are given warnings for anti-social driving, and after three warnings cars are confiscated and crushed.
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He'll have another one in a week or two chances are. These idiots just don't learn. Wayne
 
48thEagle said:
If they are potentially being used in a prosecution, then as evidence, I would have thought they should not be used at all.
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Harvey_nikon said:
It's a cropped image with nothing in the background to indicate where it was taken from, although, I am not really worried about it tbh :)

Just had an email from the police, it won't be going to court, instead they are confiscating the bike from him and crushing it :D
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Hence my post.
 
Evidentially if the photos were to be used in court the photographer would be required to exhibit the photos and could be called by the defence to be cross examined (very rare).

The defendant is entitled to know your name but that's it, Police and the Crown Prosecution service are understandably very very careful with witness details and never let the defence see them full stop. Who'd want to make a statement if they knew the person you were making it against could have your address.
 
Dave W said:
Evidentially if the photos were to be used in court the photographer would be required to exhibit the photos and could be called by the defence to be cross examined (very rare).

The defendant is entitled to know your name but that's it, Police and the Crown Prosecution service are understandably very very careful with witness details and never let the defence see them full stop. Who'd want to make a statement if they knew the person you were making it against could have your address.
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Honestly, I've been put in hospital at 15 for helping a girl being attacked by her boyfriend, he came back with 8 mates 4 years older than me. Broke 3 ribs, I could hardly see, broken nose and I still get headaches in certain light to this day.

I have always had the outlook that you do the right thing, no matter what. And I would do it again!

I am also in the process of becoming a special constable, it doesn't bother me if they know who I am. I know who he is too ;)
 
:thumbs: good atitude - gets my vote! :thumbs:
 
Harvey_nikon said:
Honestly, I've been put in hospital at 15 for helping a girl being attacked by her boyfriend, he came back with 8 mates 4 years older than me. Broke 3 ribs, I could hardly see, broken nose and I still get headaches in certain light to this day.

I have always had the outlook that you do the right thing, no matter what. And I would do it again!

I am also in the process of becoming a special constable, it doesn't bother me if they know who I am. I know who he is too ;)
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That's the spirit.:lol:

The offence of witness intimidation is one that's taken very seriously indeed and is almost always investigated by CID. Even after the trial it's still an offence and will be very robustly dealt with.

As for you becoming a special, you have my utmost respect because I'd never do the job for free.:cuckoo:;)
 
Harvey_nikon said:
Honestly, I've been put in hospital at 15 for helping a girl being attacked by her boyfriend, he came back with 8 mates 4 years older than me. Broke 3 ribs, I could hardly see, broken nose and I still get headaches in certain light to this day.

I have always had the outlook that you do the right thing, no matter what. And I would do it again!

I am also in the process of becoming a special constable, it doesn't bother me if they know who I am. I know who he is too ;)
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Top geezer!! :thumbs:
 
Harvey_nikon said:
It's a cropped image with nothing in the background to indicate where it was taken from, although, I am not really worried about it tbh :)

Just had an email from the police, it won't be going to court, instead they are confiscating the bike from him and crushing it :D
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Sounds to me like the police have only used your pics to ID the scroat then probably found he had no tax or insurance etc and done him for that.

Done similar myself to help the police collar vandals.
 
Strolls said:
Because they're clearly disturbing many members of the general public, congregating in an empty car park in the middle of the night.

Stroller.
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Yes they are, you are quite correct. Some of the retail parks adjoin housing. Plus the twunts don't restrict driving like knobs to inside the retail parks. They drive out then hammer along the local roads until they reach a point where the cctv starts. Plus the cinemas, food outlets and such like where folks are visiting with their children. And not forgetting the folks who have to work night shift in retail parks, stocking shelves etc. and have to go outside for their breaks if they indulge in the filthy weed.
Am I forgetting anyone?
 
Dave W said:
Evidentially if the photos were to be used in court the photographer would be required to exhibit the photos and could be called by the defence to be cross examined (very rare).

The defendant is entitled to know your name but that's it, Police and the Crown Prosecution service are understandably very very careful with witness details and never let the defence see them full stop. Who'd want to make a statement if they knew the person you were making it against could have your address.
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That didn't happen when I caught a flasher some years back (and no he wasn't "tackle out" in the pic) the police took the prints and negs (returned after the trial) to court, I had to make a statment at home, but I was never asked to go to court. Wayne
 
swanseamale47 said:
That didn't happen when I caught a flasher some years back (and no he wasn't "tackle out" in the pic) the police took the prints and negs (returned after the trial) to court, I had to make a statment at home, but I was never asked to go to court. Wayne
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Yep that's normally the way it works, makes it far more convenient for everyone.

You'll only get called if it's a real high profile case or the defence brief is a bit of an arse. If you are required at court it has to be justified as to why and your statement is normally enough to produce at court so it saves you going.
 
Dave W said:
Yep that's normally the way it works, makes it far more convenient for everyone.
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not quite true - depends on the court (magistrates vs crown) and the defendants plea - plead guilty in a magistrate court and witnesses go home or are never required to attend

Cheers

Hugh
 
boyfalldown said:
not quite true - depends on the court (magistrates vs crown) and the defendants plea - plead guilty in a magistrate court and witnesses go home or are never required to attend

Cheers

Hugh
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What's not quite true? As I understand it if the court accepts a persons statement as evidence in chief then there is no requirement for that person to attend whether it's mags or crown, innocent or guilty. What's the point in calling someone to court to say "yes I took the photo then handed it to that Police Officer"?

Not looking for an argument just want to clear it up in my own mind in case I make an arse of myself.:D
 
Harvey_nikon said:
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I am also in the process of becoming a special constable, it doesn't bother me if they know who I am. I know who he is too ;)
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Good on you... I did the job for 11 years and enjoyed it. Life changes and it became time to give up :(
 
Had the same problem ourselves when we moved, only kids going up and down the cycle path. First one was only a nipper, I just picked his mini moped up and threw it back down the path. Second time was three 17-18 yr olds on proper scrambles bikes doing the same. I stood out in front of them and they stopped, asked tyhem nicely not to use the path, and got the usual crap back from them. One started to rev up and surged towards my wife, that was enough for me to smack him off his bike. They threatened with police and getting there dads down,but that never happened.
 
Dave W said:
What's not quite true? As I understand it if the court accepts a persons statement as evidence in chief then there is no requirement for that person to attend whether it's mags or crown, innocent or guilty. What's the point in calling someone to court to say "yes I took the photo then handed it to that Police Officer"?

Not looking for an argument just want to clear it up in my own mind in case I make an arse of myself.:D
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Hi Dave,

No - there no point on doing that at all. But if you took photo's of a crime and made a statement then you'd be called as a witness and you're witness statement wouldn't be 'I took photos and gave it to the police' it would be ' I saw Mr flasher with his nads out looking cold and heres the photo I took at the time.'

You won't be called if they plead guilty in a magistrates court - and as sometimes happens this will be known beforehand so you'll never get a court date.

The other thing that is common in both mag and crown courts is that there are so many statements saying the same thing that most never get called as witnessesd because it would be a waste of time. 40 people who all saw mr flasher would be a bit much.

Cheers

Hugh
 
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