Possibility of Selling.

Quickshooter

Quickshooter

Messages
321
Name
Liam
Edit My Images
Yes
Hi all hope your well and sorted for Christmas :)

Need some advice. The other month I took photos of a drifting day at Oulton Park and since then the club who ran that day have expressed interest in my photos and would like to use them on their website. Now this is the first time this has happened to me so im really unsure of what to do next really.
I dont know how much to charge or to charge at all etc. All my photos have my water mark on so unless they edit it out it would still be on their site.

what do you guys think ?

Cheers :thumbs:

Edit: Just looked at their gallery site and they only have 2 photos at the moment both are un-water marked so wonder if they'd take mine off or ask for it to be taken off.
 
Last edited:
Surely you've still got the originals without watermarks on? Can you just re-edit?
 
Hi yes I have but not sure I follow? I want my watermark on otherwise I wont be known.

Im just not sure on how to charge, just hoping people would could say how they first started and what sort of prices they were charging.
im sure some will say "charge what you think your work is worth" but I don't find that helpful as its my work and I personally think its worth good money lol like most people do im sure.
 
Quickshooter said:
Hi yes I have but not sure I follow? I want my watermark on otherwise I wont be known.

Im just not sure on how to charge, just hoping people would could say how they first started and what sort of prices they were charging.
im sure some will say "charge what you think your work is worth" but I don't find that helpful as its my work and I personally think its worth good money lol like most people do im sure.
Click to expand...

If you want to sell them, then be prepared to get rid of the watermark. Also DO NOT fall for the put your watermark on and you'll get great promotion but we can't pay. Hardly anyone benefits from this.

How much do you want to make from it? Simple question when doing pricing, but hard to answer.

Personally I am £25-£50 per image per year on license for smaller stuff, but also look at the NUJ rates for ideas.

Bet course of action IMO would be to contact them with a sample image or 2 link (do you have a site) and see if they would be interested in purchasing some from you.

I am sure you will get some saying give them away you will get them in print blah blah blah, great promotion etc. but it is easy to do that. It is nee to see your images in print, but nothing beats seeing them in print with a nice cheque in your pocket!
 
ding76uk said:
If you want to sell them, then be prepared to get rid of the watermark. Also DO NOT fall for the put your watermark on and you'll get great promotion but we can't pay. Hardly anyone benefits from this.
Click to expand...

This ^ - remember, though, you can load the exif and IPTC data with your contact details :)

Shooting drifting for money can be a hard market to break in to but lucrative if you get it right - if you'd be interested in doing more for them bear this in mind when you're negotiating.
 
How much do you want to make from it? Simple question when doing pricing, but hard to answer.

Personally I am £25-£50 per image per year on license for smaller stuff, but also look at the NUJ rates for ideas.

Bet course of action IMO would be to contact them with a sample image or 2 link (do you have a site) and see if they would be interested in purchasing some from you.

I am sure you will get some saying give them away you will get them in print blah blah blah, great promotion etc. but it is easy to do that. It is nee to see your images in print, but nothing beats seeing them in print with a nice cheque in your pocket![/QUOTE]

Hi Carl thank you. very helpful reply :) to be honest i have no idea how much i want to make as this has come out of the blue im just a hobbiest really but i like the way its going :)
I did not you can charge per year for the use of photo. If they are just using them on their website i would imagine I wouldn't get yearly paid as their would update their website with new stuff.
I guess just a one off fee for the images would be best, and you say i have to take my water off for that. Why is that? as ive said im new to this and dont how how it all works :)

Thank you :thumbs:
 
Last edited:
Shooting drifting for money can be a hard market to break in to but lucrative if you get it right - if you'd be interested in doing more for them bear this in mind when you're negotiating.[/QUOTE]

Hi Andrew, Thanks for your reply :) I don't know how to load the exif with my details and I don't know what that IPTC is ? lol

I understand what your saying I bet it is hard to break in to, it would be a slow progress for me if I was going to do this like I said im just doing this as a hobby at the mo. So will see where it goes I guess :0 we all starting somewhere

Cheers :thumbs:
 
Quickshooter said:
....I don't know how to load the exif with my details and I don't know what that IPTC is ?...
Click to expand...

Depends on the software but in Lightroom, when you import and image you can add in keywords, copyright info, contact details plus other information about you as a photographer (contact details etc). This then become part of the EXIF so when the image is checked on a computer, your details of copyright (and the rest) will show to the viewer. I do it on everything I shoot these days
 
specialman said:
Depends on the software but in Lightroom, when you import and image you can add in keywords, copyright info, contact details plus other information about you as a photographer (contact details etc). This then become part of the EXIF so when the image is checked on a computer, your details of copyright (and the rest) will show to the viewer. I do it on everything I shoot these days
Click to expand...

Hi Pat,
I did not know this, Thats very good idea. I only have Elements at the moment though, and not Lightroom. I wonder if this can be done within elements ill have to try and find out.

Thank you :thumbs:
 
From an amateur side of this - what would you like out of it? Would you like money towards the cost of your kit, or additions/replacements, or would you like further access to these opportunities (or both).

That and how big/how much money the club has, and how many photos they want will depend on the cost. It might be that by shooting for the club, it's a foot in for a trackside pass on club days, which could lead into other possibilities, such as getting trackside at that circuit for other days, or being known by the drivers as the photographer to go to to buy great images.
 
AndWhyNot said:
It's easily done in Bridge too, not sure if that's packaged with Elements as it is with full-fat PhotoShop
Click to expand...

Byker28i said:
From an amateur side of this - what would you like out of it? Would you like money towards the cost of your kit, or additions/replacements, or would you like further access to these opportunities (or both).

That and how big/how much money the club has, and how many photos they want will depend on the cost. It might be that by shooting for the club, it's a foot in for a trackside pass on club days, which could lead into other possibilities, such as getting trackside at that circuit for other days, or being known by the drivers as the photographer to go to to buy great images.
Click to expand...

Byker28i said:
For batch editing exif's I've used photome before - http://www.photome.de/
It's a free app that I've used on other images produced without exif info added.
Click to expand...


Andrew. Ill have a look see what's what in elements.

Byker28i Thanks for your reply.
Well at first I though it would be good to get my photos up there and to get my name out there. However now if my water mark has to be taken off then the money would would be great. Also like you said both would also be great, I guess ill have to see what they say they might just be after free photos.

Ill have a look at that photome :) is it just for loading the exif data?
 
Right well just emailed them back stating £15 per image, id also like the publicity of being involved within the club etc etc and that we can sort something out.
so ill just wait now.

Byker28i to load the exif with details would i have to re load them up to flickr afterwards as they are all on there at the mo, and that is how i showed this club the photos through flickr.
Thank you :thumbs:
 
Hey, well done for getting the interest in the 1st place. Word of caution though - if this escalates you will all of a sudden be an event photographer BUT with, and I am presuming here, no knowledge of how to do it on a commercial basis. Yes there is money to be made from motorsport photos but having the right equipment to view and print on-site AND make it slick ain't easy, I've done it.... Just be careful you don't say yes to everything and end up looking like a complete muppet. Absolutely no offence intended, just a word of caution.
 
Hey Byker. ive just downloaded the latest photome, damn its complicated. how the hell do i put my name in, and where would i put it in at has hundreds! of info on there but i cant see where i would put my details in and how to do it??
 
Have you got a copy of View NX2 - free editing download from Nikon.
You just select all the photos which you want to add details to and in the RH pane get Metadata showing, you may have to collapse Adjustments to see Metadata. Scroll down and there are spaces for Copyright and contact details.
Once you have entered the details click on any photo and you will be prompted to save the details.
View NX2 is also very good at editing Nikon raw files as it preserves all the camera settings.
 
rainhill photo said:
Hey, well done for getting the interest in the 1st place. Word of caution though - if this escalates you will all of a sudden be an event photographer BUT with, and I am presuming here, no knowledge of how to do it on a commercial basis. Yes there is money to be made from motorsport photos but having the right equipment to view and print on-site AND make it slick ain't easy, I've done it.... Just be careful you don't say yes to everything and end up looking like a complete muppet. Absolutely no offence intended, just a word of caution.
Click to expand...

Hey thanks for the reply. no offence I completely understand where you coming from. I would definitely have to keep and eye on things. Im not one just to say say yes to things, our friend asked me to be a photography at their wedding next year to which I respectably declined now way im ready for that type of pressure, I told them ill take photos of the day but im not your photography at all lol.



Suvv said:
Have you got a copy of View NX2 - free editing download from Nikon.
You just select all the photos which you want to add details to and in the RH pane get Metadata showing, you may have to collapse Adjustments to see Metadata. Scroll down and there are spaces for Copyright and contact details.
Once you have entered the details click on any photo and you will be prompted to save the details.
View NX2 is also very good at editing Nikon raw files as it preserves all the camera settings.
Click to expand...

Hi thanks for the reply. Yes i have NX2 i use it for converting my files and adjusting the levels i find it abit easier than PS. I did not realise you could enter your own exif thank you very much for your help there im off out now for a few :beer: so will have a look tomorrow :)

Will keep you all informed of what I get back form my email, it normally takes them a good few days to reply though.
 
Quickshooter said:
Hey Byker. ive just downloaded the latest photome, damn its complicated. how the hell do i put my name in, and where would i put it in at has hundreds! of info on there but i cant see where i would put my details in and how to do it??
Click to expand...

I'll have a look at my copy later. I wonderif the newer version has more features. I found it easy to use.
 
rainhill photo said:
Hey, well done for getting the interest in the 1st place. Word of caution though - if this escalates you will all of a sudden be an event photographer BUT with, and I am presuming here, no knowledge of how to do it on a commercial basis. Yes there is money to be made from motorsport photos but having the right equipment to view and print on-site AND make it slick ain't easy, I've done it.... Just be careful you don't say yes to everything and end up looking like a complete muppet. Absolutely no offence intended, just a word of caution.
Click to expand...

Well, there's a number of ways of selling images. On site printing gets the snap decision prints but that's a lot of outlay, extra staff etc. I've given out a business card pointing to my website then either used a jalbum account to take orders or a a photo box pro gallery as you can integrate that with your website.

When I was shooting youth rugby, this worked well for generating funds for the club, but I had the advantage of all the parents gathering in the club house after the match. I'd shoot raw and small Jpeg, load the small jpegs onto my iPad then run a slideshow to generate interest and give out business cards.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top