1. Veni

    Veni

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    My trial has expired for LR and looking to purchase a subscription.

    LR seems to do everything I've needed so far, so do I need PS?

    Has anyone bought both and not used PS, or use it more than they thought they would?

    Or is the 1TB storage more useful than an app I might not use?

    Decisions, decisions!!
     
  2. ecoleman

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    You don't really have a choice these days if you are buying the subscription.
    The CC Photography package includes LR and PS regardless.

    LR is okay for a lot of edits but you will require PS if you are wanting to do an pixel based editing such as cloning and blending.
     
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  3. Veni

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    You can buy just a LR package, it comes with 1TB storage or PS & LR with 20GB storage for same price...
     
  4. trevjm

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    The 2 packages are for different things.

    The Lightroom cc with 1TB is not quite the full package as the Lightroom Classic and PS one. I use the Classic version on my MacBook. I am not interested in using iPads, mobile phones etc. so it suits me better plus I have access to PS.
     
  5. Veni

    Veni

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    I understand what each subscription offers, I think the question I'm asking my self is do I need PS?

    I've never used PS - so don't know if it would be useful.

    I suppose I could trial it like I did LR :LOL:.....
     
  6. scott199

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    im a complete beginner with LR and even more so with PS (played with LR when it was Lightroom 4 but not used since, not sure I've even opened PS BUT, and here's the but.

    managed to suggest to my work that "its all needed" as i wanted LR (for pics) and PP (prem pro) for videos. so i ended up getting everything, I've used LR 4-5 times in the last few weeks and PS 4-5 times as well,

    i used PS some years back and found it horrid, complicated, slow, just damn right nasty, i used it for the first time the other day and its just so seamless between LR and Ps that ive found myself using it more and more (badly i may add) but still using it. Those pics that have an arm or horrible post in the way, no longer throw away, got a pesky tourist in your godly landscape shot, no worries. Don't get me wrong my first attempt to move a background body failed badly on PS but shooting a football match the winning strike had an annoying head in the corner, maybe 2 mins and gone. i know its easy for me to say, but if i had the choice and the money was the same LR+PS wins.
     
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  7. trevjm

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    I would have thought the question is more which version of Lightroom you require. If both versions cost the same amount of money then clearly it is question of which one suits you better. Do you need the 1TB of on line storage but with a currently less complete version of Lightroom or do you prefer/need the full blown Classic version. I put all my photos on external hard drives as I refuse to use cloud storage. Your needs may be totally different.
     
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  8. tijuana taxi

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    My standalone copy of LR6 doesn't support the RAW files from my newest camera.
    I also have a standalone Photoshop Elements 2018 so decided to give that a go and it's Adobe Camera Raw editor.

    For what I need it seems to be fine and can be used in conjunction with LR, might one day need the subscription, but not yet.
     
  9. droj

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    That's funny, when it's been the industry standard for decades ... and probably the most empowering thing in software terms for photo imaging in that period. But it's generally well-recognised round here that LR has taken over most of the basic processing functions.
     
  10. droj

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    You don't need PS until you need it, and you obviously don't need it yet. PS has more powerful / sophisticated functions when you want to advance beyond basic processing. It mines deep.

    Have you looked at DxO Photolab as raw processor? Very well-featured, strongly functional, and non-subscription.
     
  11. Veni

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    I went for both in the end. Had some fun with the healing brush - once you start looking/editing your pictures you realise what extras there are in your picture that distract from the main image.

    It'll make me think more about the photo next time....
     
  12. droj

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    Yes, I don't much subscribe to the philosophy of rescuing pictures that should've had more attention paid at the taking stage, or not been taken at all.
     
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  13. Major Eazy

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    LR's main function is like one big scrapbook showing all your photos, in effect a catalogue of your photos, like a museum have a catalogue of paintings, making it easier to find 'that' photo you want to look at. LR's editing tools is a minor and secondary function. Helps with fix a bit of bad exposed image. That one photo is a bit dark, so adjust it to good exposure.

    Think of LR as a ink pen.

    PS's main function is like a drawing board or painting stand or a darkroom enlarger. It is for you to create an artwork or make a photo form a negative, as well as adjust lighting levels, it's there to be creative, change your photo to different colours, or turn it into a drawing or painting.

    Think of PS as a lead pencil.

    If all you do is just import your photos, to catalogue them, for the purpose of finding photos, with a bit of adjusting the image's darkness or brightness, little retouching to remove that little spot there, then you do need LR.

    But ask yourself this: Do you want to do some painting? Retouching the overall image like "I'm going to airbrush out this guy in the background of my photo!"?

    So if "Yes", then you could do with PS, but if "No", then you could do without PS.

    So think of it in the sense of: You always use a pen for writing, but sometimes a pen can be used for a bit of doddle drawing. But do you really need the pencil? How likely are you going to be using the pencil and draw a big sketch?

    Hope it helps giving you ideas on how to look making a decision?
     
  14. RichardC27

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    In fairness LR's editing tools are pretty powerful now. You can mask out parts of the image, apply adjustment brushes and do many of the common image editing tasks you would do in PS. I barely ever use PS but I have used it to create text logos and I'm currently designing a wedding table plan in it. For photo work LR does everything I need to do, but for a tenner a month you can't beat having both software packages.
     
  15. Veni

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    I went for both packages for a tenner - and have used both so far so it’s been a worthwhile purchase.
     
  16. troutfisher

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    For the price of a cup of coffee a week you can't really go wrong
     
  17. Phil Maddocks

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    I'd get the full package with Lightroom and photoshop. Like mentioned above, if you only buy the Lightroom CC subscription you don't get Lightroom Classic which I use over Lightroom CC because of easier photo organisation, meta data and features such as photo merge and HDR.
     
  18. jerry12953

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    The OP has made his decision, so I guess it's too late now but I agree with his comment about Photoshop. It was never designed for photographers so in response to the statement "industry standard" one could say "which industry?"

    For what it is worth I took to Lightroom like a duck to water and it was only at the point they made it subscription only that i have begun to look elsewhere.

    Had I seem this post earlier I would have suggested the following - get a standalone copy of Lightroom v6 and Affinity Photo, which by all accounts is a real alternative to PS.
     
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  19. HoppyUK

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    LR's editing tools are a minor function?! Err, no :eek:

    LR was designed from the start as 'Photoshop for photographers'. It takes all the processing power of Photoshop and all the editing features that photographers need, and wraps them up in a user-friendly interface that reflects the way we work. Unlike Photoshop, most users take to LR 'like a duck to water' as Jerry says. We also need library and cataloging features (including cloud storage) so they were added too, along with the major bonus of non-destructive editing.

    LR is extremely capable in its own right with a wide range of advanced editing options, but is also designed to dovetail seamlessly with Photoshop when necessary for some things (principally layers) but in eight years I've never needed Photoshop.
     
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  20. Tysonator

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    I use LR all the time in post and occasionally I export from LR to PS.
    I would sooner have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it !

    PS is useful and worth learning some of the basics as it can be a very useful tool. Though LR is the package to be a Jedi Master on !
     
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  21. stu.h

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    I only use LR, Photoshop scares me LOL
     
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  22. droj

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    Since Photoshop's where I started so many years ago, it's very hard to imagine being without it, even if these days I use LR more. So good on you for getting stuck in. PS is incredibly versatile.
     
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