Rant about my site & Mr site hosting

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I have had my little website running for year now without hitch. the package i was given was for a 12 month subscription with limited server space etc (which suited me fine) with the xmas celebrations in full swing i missed the renewal but recieved a text from Mr site (the host) to say that would keep my name etc for 3 further days so i renewed quickly before i had to start again.

but .....

now when i type in my address it goes to a search engine site. when i log into my mr site account it says i have 363 days until i renew i also have a confirmation of payment etc email. when i check my site via my account and make changes etc it shows me my site but I cant find it on the internet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even my link (on signature) goes through to this new search website

I am annoyed that this has happen after paying my money etc and have sent a tec support email but needed to rant and rave as i feel a bit helpless until i get a reply

has this happened to anyone else ?
 
That's bad luck man. I've never had it happen to me, but I usually register my domain names for 2-5 years in advance (search engines like that you plan to be around for a while), or have them set to automatically renew.
 
What are you on about? The link in your siggy works fine. :thumbs:
 
nuttyboy78 said:
What are you on about? The link in your siggy works fine. :thumbs:
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Doesn't for me. Comes up with one of those standard search-engine spam sites you see on parked domains.

It looks like your registrar hasn't honoured what they told you, and one of the big spam sites has simply had that domain name on backorder waiting for it to expire (that's what they do, hoping to monopolise on pre-existing traffic).

I would hazard a guess to say that your domain name is lost unless you want to file a report with ICANN (which often works, especially as you've previously owned and traded (?) on that domain name in the past).

I register all my domain names with either GoDaddy or 123-Reg, and they send out notices a couple of months before it's due to expire via E-Mail.
 
In that case, I must be seeing things - coz when I click on the link, this is what I get

 
Perhaps it's your ISP caching the old IP address then. This is what I see.

spamsite.jpg
 
Will the cache also show the correct time and date as is seen on the screenshot?
 
nuttyboy78 said:
Will the cache also show the correct time and date as is seen on the screenshot?
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Your ISP's DNS cache will just tell you "this domain name is at this IP address". What you get from there will be whatever resides at that IP address.

Assuming his actual site is hosted on 1.1.1.1 (it isn't, but let's say for the sake of argument that it is), and your ISP tells you it's on 1.1.1.1, you will load his actual site.

Now, I go to load it up and my ISP says "Well, that domain name comes up as 1.1.1.2", I'll see whatever's on 1.1.1.2.

I'm not talking about caching of the pages, but the DNS cache that transforms a domain name into a numerical IP address, like an out-of-date phone book. :)
 
Kaouthia said:
Your ISP's DNS cache will just tell you "this domain name is at this IP address". What you get from there will be whatever resides at that IP address.

Assuming his actual site is hosted on 1.1.1.1 (it isn't, but let's say for the sake of argument that it is), and your ISP tells you it's on 1.1.1.1, you will load his actual site.

Now, I go to load it up and my ISP says "Well, that domain name comes up as 1.1.1.2", I'll see whatever's on 1.1.1.2.

I'm not talking about caching of the pages, but the DNS cache that transforms a domain name into a numerical IP address, like an out-of-date phone book. :)
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I see (I think). :thinking:

So are you saying that his site is still being hosted somewhere but cannot be accessed?

Would my ISP cache the page even without me (and assuming anybody else using the same ISP) not visiting the age previously?
 
nuttyboy78 said:
So are you saying that his site is still being hosted somewhere but cannot be accessed?
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In a nutshell, yup.

Using my example addresses above, you could potentially go to http://1.1.1.1/ and see his website, and going to http://1.1.1.2/ you would see the other website (depending on the configuration of Apache or whatever other HTTP server software was running on the system - obviously those addresses don't really exist, so I have disabled the link parsing in this post, hehe).

nuttyboy78 said:
Would my ISP cache the page even without me (and assuming anybody else using the same ISP) not visiting the age previously?
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It may not cache the page itself, but it may cache the DNS information of the domain name if somebody else using your ISP has previously visited that address within a certain timeframe.

A lot of ISPs will cache DNS information in order to speed up the time it takes to resolve a domain name or to help cover minor downtime or connection issues from DNS servers dotted around the globe or simply to save bandwidth. The primary argument on large ISPs is that it's an effort to help save bandwidth. If you look at some of the more popular sites (Google, eBay, Flickr, etc) a large ISP like Virgin, Sky, Talktalk, BT or whoever will end up getting countless millions of requests per day for each of those sites. If that DNS information is cached in-house, rather than pulled live on each request, those few bytes at a time can multiply up to many many gigabytes in saved bandwidth each day (thus leaving more bandwidth available for teenagers to download porn - my apologies to any teenagers reading this who wouldn't even dream of doing so ;)).

Depending on your ISP (I've no idea who you use), it may be the servers above them in the chain that are caching DNS and feeding ("old") information down to them, along with any other ISPs or clients on their network.

This is why domain name registrars generally advise up to 72hrs to allow for global propagation, to allow DNS caches to automatically flush themselves of "old" data (even though in reality it may only take 5 minutes on a new registration).

If nobody on your ISP or the feeds above them has ever visited a particular domain name before, then yes it will be pulled live (which is why new registrations often propagate so quickly).
 
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