RAW + JPG on 40d

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Hello,
I've tried to setup my camera to take RAW and jpg picture at the same time. I went to Menu Quality and I've chosen RAW + Large JPG but when I copy the pictures I olny have the 2 x *.jpg (3888x2592) ones and they're around 2-3 MB.

I thought the RAW pics are much bigger and I can't understand what I'm doing wrong?!

It looks like I've got double pictures but they're both the same size and *jpg.

According to the manual, the RAW pictures whould be about 12MB whilst the JPG is around 3MB.
 
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How are you copying the pictures - are you using EOS Utilities?
 
There was a post on here a few weeks back about someone having issues with thier camera not recording RAW and being stuck on JPG, cant find it now though.
Could be your problem.
Have you tried resetting the camera?
 
I don't use that. I plug the camera through the USB port and browse to it as external drive. I copy the files from there and then unplug the USB cable. I can't eject the drive as I normally do with my other external drive. Anyway, I can't understand how this can have anything to do with the way how the files (RAW and JPG) are saved to the camera.

In the manual is made clear that they should be 2 files with the same name and one of them should be RAW and the other JPG. They're both the same though!
 
TCR4x4 said:
There was a post on here a few weeks back about someone having issues with thier camera not recording RAW and being stuck on JPG, cant find it now though.
Could be your problem.
Have you tried resetting the camera?
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Thanks for pointing this but I've already reset the camera to factory default. That made no difference. However, if I choose only RAW is fine! I only have this issue with RAW + JPG.
 
kokolino23 said:
I don't use that. I plug the camera through the USB port and browse to it as external drive. I copy the files from there and then unplug the USB cable. I can't eject the drive as I normally do with my other external drive. Anyway, I can't understand how this can have anything to do with the way how the files (RAW and JPG) are saved to the camera.

In the manual is made clear that they should be 2 files with the same name and one of them should be RAW and the other JPG. They're both the same though!
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It would be very relevant if you were using software that didn't recognise .cr2 files as it may not even see them. Therefore it was important to establish how you were transferring files.

Try using EOS Utility and see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't if you're using Window Explorer because you should be able to see both files.

Just an idea, I only shoot raw on my 40D so I'm not sure on the RAW+JPG set-up.. but you are checking *all* the directories on the memory card? I can't remember if it's possible to have it set-up so the .cr2 and the .jpg are put in seperate folders on the card.
 
I'm quite good with PC's as I'm a telecoms engineer and I use the computer every single day. I don't think this has anything to do with the computer itself or the way how I get to those files. When I browse to 40d, I can only find the pictures over there and is another folder as well MISC. This is empty anyway. If I choose to shoot only RAW is OK as I can find the .cr2 there. Only if I choose both RAW + JPG I get this problem. They're 2 identical files over there, both the same size and both .jpg ?!
Doesn't matter if I use EOS utility or not, the files are still the same.
 
A bit of googling turns up some related links.. have a read of this and this.

It would seem to be an issue resulting from using a USB to mount the camera card as an external drive. The solution is to use EOS Utility or a card reader. You're seeing two jpgs, but really one of them is the jpg embedded within the .cr2 file.
 
kokolino23 said:
Hello,
I've tried to setup my camera to take RAW and jpg picture at the same time. I went to Menu Quality and I've chosen RAW + Large JPG but when I copy the pictures I olny have the 2 x *.jpg (3888x2592) ones and they're around 2-3 MB.

I thought the RAW pics are much bigger and I can't understand what I'm doing wrong?!

It looks like I've got double pictures but they're both the same size and *jpg.

According to the manual, the RAW pictures whould be about 12MB whilst the JPG is around 3MB.
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jpegs out of the 40D if recorded in large? should be a lot bigger than 2-3mb :thinking: also how are you looking at the files? if you are opening the CR2 files are they being converted for viewing? :shrug:
 
Splog said:
jpegs out of the 40D if recorded in large? should be a lot bigger than 2-3mb :thinking: also how are you looking at the files? if you are opening the CR2 files are they being converted for viewing? :shrug:
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That's if you shoot jpg ONLY! If you take both, the size is reduced.

Page 56-57 of 40d manual:

Guide to Image-recording Quality Settings
Quality (Large/Fine) Approx. 10.1 megapixels
With 1+73, D+73, and other RAW+JPEG simultaneous recordings, both
the RAW and JPEG images will be saved in the same folder under the same file No.

Image File Size and CF Card Capacity According to Image-Recording Quality
Quality Large/Fine File Size (Approx. MB): 3.5
RAW + L - 12.4 + 3.5 MB

And I don't convert the cr2 for viewing. I can see the RAW files with IrfanView.
 
kokolino23 said:
That's if you shoot jpg ONLY! If you take both, the size is reduced.

Page 56-57 of 40d manual:

Guide to Image-recording Quality Settings
Quality (Large/Fine) Approx. 10.1 megapixels
With 1+73, D+73, and other RAW+JPEG simultaneous recordings, both
the RAW and JPEG images will be saved in the same folder under the same file No.

Image File Size and CF Card Capacity According to Image-Recording Quality
Quality Large/Fine File Size (Approx. MB): 3.5
RAW + L - 12.4 + 3.5 MB

And I don't convert the cr2 for viewing. I can see the RAW files with IrfanView.
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How can file size be reduced? your saving two separate files! ... According to your post RAW should be 12.4mb? .... what are you using to view the CR2 files? :thinking:

Edit: Your using Ifranview...Not heard of this.... Is it converting the raw file?
 
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I'm pretty sure Irfanview does only extract the embedded JPEG file from the raw file. It does not have inbuilt raw processing capabilities.

Using something as simple as Windows Explorer should show both the CR2 and JPEG files, as would any other software which can properly handle Canon raw files, such as DPP, Zoombrowser, Lightroom etc.. Canon's free EOS Utility will download all the files correctly and Canon's free DPP and Zoombrowser software will display them correctly. They were all supplied with the camera. Lightroom costs, but it will also download and process the files correctly.

These problems usually manifest themselves when people use weird software like Irfanview instead of software designed to do the job properly. I'm not saying that there is no place for Irfanview, but it is not the right software to choose for handling Canon raw files.
 
Splog said:
How can file size be reduced? your saving two separate files! ... According to your post RAW should be 12.4mb? .... what are you using to view the CR2 files? :thinking:

Edit: Your using Ifranview...Not heard of this.... Is it converting the raw file?
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You are right, Lucy! :thumbs:
Obviously the file size can't be reduced. IrfanView is just a SW for viewing different kindes of pics and get more info about them (like aperture, shutter speed, ISO, if the flash has been used or not, etc).
 
tdodd said:
I'm pretty sure Irfanview does only extract the embedded JPEG file from the raw file. It does not have inbuilt raw processing capabilities.

Using something as simple as Windows Explorer should show both the CR2 and JPEG files, as would any other software which can properly handle Canon raw files, such as DPP, Zoombrowser, Lightroom etc.. Canon's free EOS Utility will download all the files correctly and Canon's free DPP and Zoombrowser software will display them correctly. They were all supplied with the camera. Lightroom costs, but it will also download and process the files correctly.

These problems usually manifest themselves when people use weird software like Irfanview instead of software designed to do the job properly. I'm not saying that there is no place for Irfanview, but it is not the right software to choose for handling Canon raw files.
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I won't argue over that IrfanView now because that's not the point.
As I've already said, I'm quite good with PC's and I know what to look for. Even in Windows Explorer I should be able to see a CR2 file and a JPG one! But they're both the same! If I choose to shoot RAW only, is absolutely fine. I get this problem only when I set up my camera to take both RAW and JPG ?!
 
kokolino23 said:
I won't argue over that IrfanView now because that's not the point.
As I've already said, I'm quite good with PC's and I know what to look for. Even in Windows Explorer I should be able to see a CR2 file and a JPG one! But they're both the same! If I choose to shoot RAW only, is absolutely fine. I get this problem only when I set up my camera to take both RAW and JPG ?!
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As it's only our pride on the line about the advice..

Will you at least try using EOS Utility? Just to prove one way or the other..

If not, good luck to you, iwmh.
 
Only thing I can think of is that some software installed is causing the problem. Windows behaves differently when a camera is connected and shows camera related options. Try taking the card out of the camera and using a card reader which will appear as a normal removable drive.

You can't have 2 files in a folder with the same name and same extension so something is not showing right. What happens if you copy the pair to a folder on your PC?
 
RobertP said:
Only thing I can think of is that some software installed is causing the problem. Windows behaves differently when a camera is connected and shows camera related options. Try taking the card out of the camera and using a card reader which will appear as a normal removable drive.

You can't have 2 files in a folder with the same name and same extension so something is not showing right.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
Probably talking from my butt, but the 40D does have a "small RAW" setting, have you checked that out?
 
tijuana taxi said:
Probably talking from my butt, but the 40D does have a "small RAW" setting, have you checked that out?
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No it doesnt, RAW is RAW, although some cameras do compressed RAW, but its still RAW and still a lot bigger than a JPG
 
A 40D sRaw file is (from examples I have on my hard drive) around 6MB to 7MB per file. A 40D full Raw is around 11MB. Obviously scene content and ISO choice influence the exact figure. Either way the resulting file still has a .CR2 extension.

20101202_141242_.JPG


Any software that is suggesting a Raw or sRaw file is a JPEG is obviously spouting nonsense.
 
soooooooooooooooooo , out of curiousity i set my 40D to RAW and JPG , used EOS Utility to drag onto the computer and it shows a .JPG file and a .CR2 file without any arguments moaning or complaining :shrug:
 
I use a card reader
does exactly the same as you just said Paul
drag them across thats all i have done for years
 
Simple thing to do: Try another computer just to confirm if it is the computer or the camera.

If it is the camera try re-flashing the firmware. If still a problem send it in for repair.
 
Thanks a lot for all your suggestions. I was so busy as my first child was born couple of days ago... Busy days and I can't wait to upload some pics.

Anyway... if was something dodgy with the camera, I would've thought I could get probs when shooting RAW only. But if I do that is fine though?!

I only get this fault when shooting RAW + JPG. I did install EOS Utility in the meantime so I'll give it another go and post an update.
 
kokolino23 i use to shoot raw + jpeg on my 40d
but as i said i always use a card reader
still do the same now on a 5d mk II
 
What are you viewing the images with? have you tried dragging the images off the card into a normal folder and looking at that to see what you have?

One other thought occures to me if you went into one of the basic modes auto/portrait by accident the camera doesn't record raw then, are you sure theres 2 of the same file.
 
Well... At the end of the day I can convert the RAW's into JPEG's. Is no the end of the world if I do that and doesn't take that long convert them anyway.
 
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