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Someone said try a macro, low light in kitchen. In fact weather hasnt helped with me trying to get some good shots.

Why dies the camera refuse to take a photo sometimes, sometimes i need to switch to the screen as it wont take it when using the viewfinder. Am i too close zoomed in too much, poor light?

So i just snapped this tonight, it was getting dark outside, my house lights are all Philips hue colour, wifi, so not very bright, but tried hard to get one without flash.
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Very high quality photos, very professional, if i can switch to auto point and shoot something like that id be over the moon
By switch to auto and point and shoot, do you mean auto focus ? If so, yes it does, generally you use manual for macro as it’s so important to get the right area in peak focus.
But if you want to put it on auto and use auto focus, it would be fine.
 
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Someone said try a macro, low light in kitchen. In fact weather hasnt helped with me trying to get some good shots.

Why dies the camera refuse to take a photo sometimes, sometimes i need to switch to the screen as it wont take it when using the viewfinder. Am i too close zoomed in too much, poor light?

So i just snapped this tonight, it was getting dark outside, my house lights are all Philips hue colour, wifi, so not very bright, but tried hard to get one without flash.
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The reason it won’t release the shutter could be two things, well kind of one as they tie togeather, trying to focus to close, most if not all lenses have a minimum focus distance, normal could be anything from a foot to a few metres. Macro would be CMS or inches.
Or it could be you have the camera set to release only when focused, so the camera can’t pin point a solid focus point so won’t release shutter.
 
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Why dies the camera refuse to take a photo sometimes
You're probably too close - the closest that lens can manage is 48cm from the sensor plane.

Regarding your question on the previous page about motors in lenses, the original autofocus system in Nikon cameras used a motor in the camera body and a screw-drive coupling between the camera and lens. This was later dropped in favour of a motor built into each lens. In later entry level bodies (coded DXXXX) the autofocus can only work with a lens with the motor built in, but the enthusiast/semi-pro (DXXX) and professional bodies they also fitted a screw drive focus system that can work with a wider range of lenses.

I can't believe than a modern Tamron macro lens does not have a motor built in.

About which lens to buy - their performance will all meet the requirements of all but the most demanding of users. In terms of which one will give a better image in your hands, I genuinely believe them all to be equivalent, and you will not be able to tell apart an image taken with any one of these.

If you're seriously interested in macro work then you should also research focus stacking. I think you would also benefit from a tripod for macro work, assuming you don't already have one, because depth of field of at such short distances is extremely shallow and its very difficult to hold a camera steady enough. Macro is a demanding discipline.
 
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There are generations of Nikon lens manufacture - from manual focus only, through autofocus lenses having the focus driven by a motor in the camera body, to the most recent iterations where the focus motor is in the lens itself. This also roughly accords with lenses of other makes that have a Nikon mount.

If you have a d5600? then in 'normal' circumstances to have autofocus you'd need the latter type. However for exclusively macro work I could argue that autofocus is superfluous, and thus you could be happy with a manual focus lens. But the circle returns to some extent in that a late-era lens will provide full auto-exposure coupling with your body (and certain dedicated flashguns) that a legacy-era lens will not.

Think holistically on this basis.
 
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Oh, one more thing about the Nikon lens - it's also expensive because it's designed to cover the sensor of a full frame (36mm X 24mm) camera. You don't need that coverage, and could consider instead the 85mm f3.5 DX micro-nikkor for £399 https://store.nikon.co.uk/nikkor-lenses-macro-&-special-purpose/af-s-dx-micro-nikkor-85mm-f-3.5g-ed-vr/JAA637DA/details

Where you see a lens with DX (or DC for Sigma) that means it's designed for a crop sensor only, like your D5600.
Where you see a lens with FX (or DG for Sigma) that means it's designed for a full-frame sensor, but can also be used on a crop sensor body.
 
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As has been stated what do you want the main purpose of this lens to be?
If it moves then you will want a greater distance between you and the subject.
If you at using flash then this also has an impact.
I use 2 macro lenses - a Nikon 60mm & a Sigma 150mm, both are excellent at what they do although I'm finding the 150mm also has other uses.
 
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I did already say this lens is for bugs, flowers up as close as i can get. NOTHING ELSE

I have some great clip on lense for the phone, funny they work very well for macro and widescreen and fisheye ha ha.

Ok on the camera being too close, i kinder worked that out by moving back a bit, was abot 50mm away.

I can see that a zoom of a bird might frighten it away, so i would use the P1000 for those shots.

I dont think auto focus using macro is important, so no motor would be ok.

Still thinking i shouldnt take a risk and buy the Nikon now.

If all 3 lenses have same quality photos, then its down to what else is compatable with the D5600

Yes tripod on its way, really need one for macro but dont know how practical one would be if out and about.

Buying external flash soon

Nikon UK and i have been talking about a lense the sports people use, its £18k ha ha no im not going to buy one unless some race car owners sponsor me
 
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Good, because I've just ordered a used one, which will be my first macro lens.
So has it come? Just found out john Lewis is doing it £749 and ill get 5% off that. So got any reports? And some photos?

To be sure im looking at the right one.

Nikon 105mm f/2.8G AF-S VR Micro Lens
 
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Any lens can be used for macro, you just need to think outside the box. I use a Sigma f2.8, a Nikon 55mm f2.8 macro manual focus lens, or any lens I fancy and I just stick an achromat on it.

Sigma 105mm macro of water drops on a dandelion(a heavy crop)
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A fuji XT1 with 50mm lens and an achromat
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Same set up as above..
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Almost always better to invest in your knowledge and skills before spending a lot on new equipment. In your shoes I would advise to get the cheaper option and see if it works for you and you can get results you're happy with. Practice. If you find what you have is limiting then you can think about upgrading to better gear.

My 2 cents.
 
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So has it come? Just found out john Lewis is doing it £749 and ill get 5% off that. So got any reports? And some photos?

To be sure im looking at the right one.

Nikon 105mm f/2.8G AF-S VR Micro Lens
Yes it did, and as others have said it is a very good lens (not to say other lenses aren't). Here's a couple of pictures experimenting, on tripod, manual focus, natural light...

Orchid 1
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Red flower
by Mark Piercy, on Flickr
 
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Yep, very good. What camera do you use with it? Auto focus and VR work as well?

My tripod arrived, made sure it was very long cant bend much, so anything that im photographing will also need to be high

Extended fully 2m so im also thinking be good for backlighting

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Yep, very good. What camera do you use with it? Auto focus and VR?

My tripod arrived, made sure it was very long cant bend much, so anything that im photographing will also need to be high

Extended fully 2m

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That looks more like a lighting stand than a tripod.
I could be wrong and it won't be the first time today if I am.
 
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So has it come? Just found out john Lewis is doing it £749 and ill get 5% off that. So got any reports? And some photos?

To be sure im looking at the right one.

Nikon 105mm f/2.8G AF-S VR Micro Lens
I hated my Nikon 105 when I was a Nikon shooter. But that's just my feelings on it and if you are stuck with a Nikon camera there are only a couple of other choices..
I have only scan read the thread but, macro just means 1 to 1 ratio.
 
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Yes, well i have at times switched to manual, few types of manual , so i would be happy with those results.

And no, dont want to buy one not as good and then end up buying the Nikon, all 3 are good, so looking at the other features.

300mm closest Tamron 314mm Nikon closest ha ha get closer with Tamron
 
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Yes, well i have at times switched to manual, few types of manual , so i would be happy with those results.

And no, dont want to buy one not as good and then end up buying the Nikon, all 3 are good, so looking at the other features.

300mm closest Tamron 314mm Nikon closest ha ha get closer with tamron
What people are telling you is true. If you want high quality/definition close up shots a macro lens, regardless of price or focal length, is the way to go.
The 100 (ish) macro optics are great for other things too such as portraits and as general walkabout lenses.
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My tripod arrived,
Unfortunately that is not a tripod, it is a light stand and will not be very stable if you try to use it to support a camera.

On the subject of a 'macro' lens you are in an area where, unless you are into extreme pixel peeping they are all good, purchase the cheaper 100/105mm option as you have been advised to do, if you find you enjoy macro (which btw often needs you to get down low) and you need more from the lens you can always trade up to one of the more expensive options.

I will bet that many will not be able to see a visible difference between a Nikon 105mm and a 'macro' lens half its price....
 
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Unfortunately that is not a tripod, it is a light stand and will not be very stable if you try to use it to support a camera.

On the subject of a 'macro' lens you are in an area where, unless you are into extreme pixel peeping they are all good, purchase the cheaper 100/105mm option as you have been advised to do, if you find you enjoy macro (which btw often needs you to get down low) and you need more from the lens you can always trade up to one of the more expensive options.

I will bet that many will not be able to see a visible difference between a Nikon 105mm and a 'macro' lens half its price....
Glad I'm not the only one to mention that.
 
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Yup, that's a light stand. ;) Guess you could fit a ball head to that, but it's not so convenient or stable.

Have a look at these guys for a tripod - the owner is also a member here and offers a 10% discount for site members if you contact them by email. I've been using one of their tripods for 4 years without problems, and it's worked well. Their cheapest head isn't that great (but very good value) so I'd recommend getting their quality ball head.
 
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Yup, that's a light stand. ;) Guess you could fit a ball head to that, but it's not so convenient or stable.

Have a look at these guys for a tripod - the owner is also a member here and offers a 10% discount for site members if you contact them by email. I've been using one of their tripods for 4 years without problems, and it's worked well. Their cheapest head isn't that great (but very good value) so I'd recommend getting their quality ball head.
What guy's?
 
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The tripod I bought is exactly what I want, I had already realised I will be buying lighting units when talking about rain photos much earlier. Tonight I have purchassed a few lenses the Nikon 105 is just one of them, I had a long chat with Nikon UK too.

So I have the Nikon P1000 on its way, and a Nikon Flash unit, Im very sure by the end of the week I will probably have some lights too. I had already bought some clamps and plates and one of the small tripods for close to ground.

With that, I wish to thank all those who have been very constructive and have influenced my desitions in buying things, your example photos have been inspirational too and given me more idears of what I will be doing.

There will always be people who jump in at the last moment who read nothing, and just find faults for the sake of finding faults, most of which I just ignore anyway.

So I know I have a good kit of parts to start with, learn, and move on to buy an even better camera, what I have will always be useful

Goodby, wont be comeing back, know it all now hahahahahahah
 

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In what other area of technology would an inexpensive general purpose ‘thing’ outperform a specialist expensive ‘thing’?

The 105 macro is designed to do one job, which it does brilliantly, it’ll also (due to its focal length) be suitable for using as a short telephoto lens making it useful for portraits.
And as it’s a macro lens it’s designed with great ‘flat field’ properties meaning it’s also useful for copy work.

As a ‘specIalist’ lens it’ll do 3 things better than your superzoom, which (as everyone told you before you bought it) only has ‘versatility’ going for it, and is really a 3rd rate lens for everything.
It's also a faster lens than the super zoom, probably more than a stop at ~100mm focal length (f2.8 vs ~f5), in some cases that gain alone would cost >£800 (compare a 50mm/1.8 with a 50mm/1.2 as I doubt you'll find a 50mm f1 which is probably the same speed difference)
 
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