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Or whatever they end up calling it. What do people think of the latest rumours?

Seems that it might be a whole new "class" of camera for Canon, rather than simply slotting in neatly between the 50D and 7D.

I was waiting for a 60D as I think the 50D is a pointless upgrade from my 40D and the 7D is still a bit too pricey. With the latest rumours I'm now wondering whether this new camera will be something that appeals to me or whether I'll be forced to wait until the 7D drops a bit more in price and go for that.
 
I can't see it being a whole new class of camera - they've already done that with the 7D. I think you can guarantee the 60D will get video - perhaps a few more pixels, possibly a few of the features fom the 7D. It's interesting actually to see what they'll do without encroaching too much into 7D territory.
 
When the 50D was launched, it seemed to have a premium spec camera (50D) and a lower spec camera (40D) in the same segment of the market, with the premium spec one dropping down the level when it was due for replacement.

I guess the 60D will succeed the 50D but it will be a single body range.
 
Well the latest rumours seem to be pointing to a slightly smaller body size than the current x0D range, although larger than the xx0D bodies, so I guess you could call that a new "class" of camera.

I think the real upgrade for me is the 7D but I need it to fall below £1k tbh - any guesses how long this will take? :)
 
The 50D wasn't supposed to be a replacement for the 40D Canon said. The 40 and 50 are where the two branches of Canon separate.

High speed branch: 40D - 7D - 1D
High Quality Branch: 50D - 5D - 1Ds
 
I don't really see the point of a 60D. The 7D is really what we expected the 60D to be, but with a few more really nice high end features. And as such, it still doesn't really 'fit' or make much sense (to me) being labelled 7D.

It does suggest that Canon is maybe clearing the way for a new range, rather like Nikon has done with the D3000 and D5000. Which could be anything :shrug:
 
Whilst the 7D is kind of a logical progression from the 50D in that it's a crop-sensor, high-fps camera in a similar size, the problem is that it's twice the price of the 50D which is a hell of a jump for a lot of people to make come upgrade time.

Canon need to reduce the price of the 7D or slot something in between as I'd imagine there are a lot of people with 40/50Ds who simply can't justify or afford the upgrade to a 7D and who are left without any kind of upgrade path.
 
Coldeh said:
The 50D wasn't supposed to be a replacement for the 40D Canon said. The 40 and 50 are where the two branches of Canon separate.

High speed branch: 40D - 7D - 1D
High Quality Branch: 50D - 5D - 1Ds
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I hate how Canon say that! The 50D is the same size as the 40D, same features etc but just one step newer and better- and the fact it is the next step up in the xxD range points to *replacement*, if it was not a replacement how come the 40D is no longer made?! I'm sure every time a new xxxD model comes out they say the same- "its not a replacement..."

With the 7D in place it will be hard to create a 60D without stepping on its toes, but they always seem to manage it! I had a quick tinker with a 7D today and it really seems in a different league from any xxD, but every generation gets better and better, I bet there is no comparison between the entry level 550D and a semi-pro of the day 30D, maybe even the 40D. Bloody depressing when you spend money on a decent bit of kit and a year later some kid gets one better than you!!!
 
topcatproduction, spot on.

Methinks 'replacement' actually meant 'let's try to bring out a new body for people who are tech junkies while getting rid of an overproduction of 40Ds'.

I don't for one minute believe the 40 and 50 were designed to run alongside each other. Like you say, otherwise the 40 would still be going strong, albeit at a low, low, accessible price.

The 60D, if/when it comes, really must offer something that hasn't been offered before on that range; the problem is it'll probably be a sensor update and some extra AF points. At least when Nikon replaced the D200 it brought out something what looked like a D200 but was a world apart. Not too sure the D300s offers the same degree of jump forward that the D300 did.
 
If:
  • it comes out late summer/early autumn
  • it really is a bit smaller than previous xxD cameras
  • Canon don't screw up the fundamentals
Then I think the 60d will be my next body - once the launch price rip off period ends!

It will be interesting to see how they differentiate it from the 7D.
 
topcatproduction said:
I hate how Canon say that! The 50D is the same size as the 40D, same features etc but just one step newer and better- and the fact it is the next step up in the xxD range points to *replacement*, if it was not a replacement how come the 40D is no longer made?! I'm sure every time a new xxxD model comes out they say the same- "its not a replacement..."

With the 7D in place it will be hard to create a 60D without stepping on its toes, but they always seem to manage it! I had a quick tinker with a 7D today and it really seems in a different league from any xxD, but every generation gets better and better, I bet there is no comparison between the entry level 550D and a semi-pro of the day 30D, maybe even the 40D. Bloody depressing when you spend money on a decent bit of kit and a year later some kid gets one better than you!!!
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You're probably right, the 50D has pretty much the same spec as the 40D. I seemed to remember back when it came out the 50D didn't have a great frame capture rate when compared with the 40D but looking it up now, it's about the same.
 
9AF Points???
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Good grief thats low, even the little panasonic G1 I'm using has 23.

Just thinking on things is upgrading to a 7D really as expensive as we think?

most enthusiasts would budget around £700-£800 for a new camera.

Selling for instance a 50D body secondhand would net around £500-£600

You still have all your original lenses to use.
 
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Just thinking on things is upgrading to a 7D really as expensive as we think?

most enthusiasts would budget around £700-£800 for a new camera.
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Err, £7-800 is a lot of money!

Agreed about 9 AF points - really doesn't cut it any more and there's no way in hell I'm upgrading to anything unless it has significantly more.

The 50D was a minor upgrade from the 40D IMO. The only real differences are 50% more pixels, high res LCD and micro-adjustment. None of these warrant the upgrade from a 40D for me, especially as the 50D is generally regarded to have inferior noise to the 40D.

TBH, when I look at what I really want from a body upgrade, anything which ticks all the boxes is going to be so close to the spec of the 7D as to make it non-viable for Canon so I doubt the "60D" will be for me.
 
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I'm not bothered about Swivel LCD or HD movie mode. All I want on a 60D to be worth a upgrade would be 18mp, ISO 6400, more AF points than 9!
 
Even 18mp isn't a requirement, I'd almost rather they went for something like 15mp but with the improved processing from the 7D to reduce noise even further.

The main things I want from a new body which mine doesn't give me are more megapixels (for better cropping ability), high res LCD and better AF.
 
HoppyUK said:
I don't really see the point of a 60D. The 7D is really what we expected the 60D to be, but with a few more really nice high end features. And as such, it still doesn't really 'fit' or make much sense (to me) being labelled 7D.

I agree, but suspect Canon see it as a way of raising more sales, and one new gimmick might be all it takes for many to part with their cash.
I note in the recent edition of EOS mag, they mention the possibility of a body with built in HDR. That may just be a huge attraction if ever released.
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SixToes said:
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It will be interesting to see how they differentiate it from the 7D.
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Fewer AF points.
Single Digic processor - so lower frame rate.
Less advanced AF system.

It'll be a 50D with more smeggypickles and video. I wouldn't be at all surprised by an articulated LCD and GPS (although that hasn't been in the 'official' rumours).

Bleaters will complain about it not having 287 AF points, 20 fps and usable ISO 1,000,000. Others will complain the the noise at 200% is worse than the 50D.
 
Im seeing alot of rumours suggesting a smaller form factor, which seems a bit strange.

having only really used 9 af points. is many more much use? I had a shot of a 7d and the viewfinder is like a jet fighter HUD. so many markings!
 
StevenFullerton said:
having only really used 9 af points. is many more much use?
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Yes, it gives a wider overall AF area, and the more densely the AF points are packed together, the less chance of a small target slipping between the points.

I had a shot of a 7d and the viewfinder is like a jet fighter HUD. so many markings!
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LOL - it depends what AF mode you use - you can set many options from a single AF point, to jet fighter mode. :D
 
I find 9 points fine for static subjects but, when tracking a moving target in AI Servo, more points with improved AF tracking would be a boon.
 
Any more news on this 60D as i dont want to buy a 50D now specially if it is going to be reduced on price because of a new camera coming out.
 
If all we're into is incremental increases in pixel counts and addition of video with a new model these days, does anyone else feel that APS-C cameras need to find a new battleground before we all realise there's no point to upgrading?

The last few model upgrades from C/N have hardly warranted a 24-page DPreview test in all honesty. Oooh, video! Ooooh, another 3MegaPixies!


I'll give you the next big battleground.....

....dynamic range.

Imagine the big guns going for 15 stops, 20 stops [yes, I know] of DR. Imagine tonality and highlight/shadow detail preservation being the next big thing. ISO's already go into the gods. Pixie counts are already enough to outresolve A0 large-format printers at 300DPI. But we still hold onto our Fuji S5's like gold dust. Why is it they're going up in price on the used market?
 
Haven't they already made a 60D in the past? If my memory serves me correctly they made a 30D (3MP) which was replaced by a 60D (6MP) before the launch of the 10D.

Doubt they will use 60D on a new model if I'm right.
 
NigelPaul said:
Haven't they already made a 60D in the past? If my memory serves me correctly they made a 30D (3MP) which was replaced by a 60D (6MP) before the launch of the 10D.

Doubt they will use 60D on a new model if I'm right.
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D30 and D60 were before 10D.
 
Ah, so the D is the other way. Ignore me! ;-)
 
danbroad said:
If all we're into is incremental increases in pixel counts and addition of video with a new model these days, does anyone else feel that APS-C cameras need to find a new battleground before we all realise there's no point to upgrading?

The last few model upgrades from C/N have hardly warranted a 24-page DPreview test in all honesty. Oooh, video! Ooooh, another 3MegaPixies!


I'll give you the next big battleground.....

....dynamic range.

Imagine the big guns going for 15 stops, 20 stops [yes, I know] of DR. Imagine tonality and highlight/shadow detail preservation being the next big thing. ISO's already go into the gods. Pixie counts are already enough to outresolve A0 large-format printers at 300DPI. But we still hold onto our Fuji S5's like gold dust. Why is it they're going up in price on the used market?
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Fair comment :)

I think more in-camera image processing will certainly be one of the next big things, linked to new generation sensors that will do all sorts of clever stuff beyond adding a few more pixels.

I also suspect that they will come in MILC/EVIL style mirrorless camera packages, which will be embraced by the masses and resisted by the more hard core traditionalists. So we could have relatively conventional DSLRs running alongside the new breed, which will inevitably win over the diehards sooner or later, simply because they will be better.

At the moment however, MILC/EVIL cameras are not really better, certainly not at everything, but given that they have only been around for a few months, and given the pace of technology, and given that Nikon and Canon have yet to show their hand, it can't be long

Sounds good to me :thumbs:
 
HoppyUK said:
Fair comment :)

I think more in-camera image processing will certainly be one of the next big things, linked to new generation sensors that will do all sorts of clever stuff beyond adding a few more pixels.

I also suspect that they will come in MILC/EVIL style mirrorless camera packages, which will be embraced by the masses and resisted by the more hard core traditionalists. So we could have relatively conventional DSLRs running alongside the new breed, which will inevitably win over the diehards sooner or later, simply because they will be better.

At the moment however, MILC/EVIL cameras are not really better, certainly not at everything, but given that they have only been around for a few months, and given the pace of technology, and given that Nikon and Canon have yet to show their hand, it can't be long

Sounds good to me :thumbs:
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its not that they aren't really better its that they're **** at all the muchanical stuff like focussing and taking pictures

the IQ was fine from the one we had on loan (nx-10) took lovely photos but no better than my 5d2 which does all the other stuff too
 
So the 60D will not be coming out then and its all just a myth thats running on canons history line of numbers with the likes of the 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and now to be released 60D.
Surly they would either do a 60D or change its name to make way for a new line DSLR's.

I think i will now wait a few more months till i buy a 50D just incase they drop the prices of them for a 60D coming to light.
 
Photogaz said:
Wasn't the D30 and D60's CCD sensors?
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They were the early semi pro digital cameras from Canon, although looking at the canon camera museum they had CMOS sensors. Only the original 1D has a CCD
 
There's been rumours about a 60D for months, currently it seems people are expecting canon to make 3 announcements on bodies by the end of the year.

Only thing is these rumours are just that at the mo, at present it doesn't look like there's any good evidence of the 60D, 1Ds mk4 seems to be getting tested but no-one seems to have mentioned the 60D actually exuding in anything other than the rumour-mill.

I'll wait till the announcement before passing judgement.
 
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