still having real problems shooting indoors

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I was at Ingliston Equestrian Centre at the weekend, my first time there shooting indoors and my first time shooting indoors since Sept so i'm not that good at it, Like it's not the best lighting compared to Rowallan AC.

I've been using a iso of 1600, and shutter speed around 1/320? and f/4 and JPG as RAW- i only have a 1gb card so can only take 88 photos.!
But they still come in really underexposed, and if i get a good exposure which is pretty light the horse looks blurred everywere :( or really unfocused.

I have a canon eos 400D

Hears some of photos, i edited from the weekend there still really noisy and i'm totally dissapointed :(

shutter speed;1/125
iso;1600
lens aperture;f/4
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shutter speed; 1/320

iso; 1600

lens aperture f4
on manual.

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Basically what i'm i doing wrong, I know i posted this before, and i've looked up but i'm stillllll having problems :(
 
Wont help if she's using manual mode mate.

All you can do really is either up the iso (not ideal, more noise) or use a slower shutter speed but then you're going to get motion blur.

You could always try and rescue the shot by bringing up the levels in Photoshop but that will introduce more noise......


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Sometimes you just have to accept that getting a noisy, sharp shot is going to be preferable to getting no shot at all.

Have a look at noise ninja for getting rid of noise post capture. Turning the contrast down in the camera can help a touch too.
 
I think you are being overly hard on yourself they dont look that bad. iso 1600 on a 400d will be a bit noisy, but you will have to live with that and run some NR if really necessary, but before you do, try getting a few printed at a normal size, say 10 x 8 - you will be amazed how much less obvious that noise becomes off a screen and on a print. Shooting in raw [and converting to jpg afterwards] should make recovering some of the darker areas easier depending on your editing software. That arena look sparticularly tough as the not only are the jumps white, but plenty of pale colours surrounding 'furniture' and dark horses. Expose for the animal and worry about the rest in processing if needs be imo. Its what I would do anyway. :thumbs:
 
Firstly, what lens are you using? F4 is barely enough for indoor work in an equestrian centre so you already have a task.
What sort of focal lengths are you shooting at?

There are a couple of equestrian togs on here who wil be able to give shutter speed advice (And probably better general advice too!). I'd say you could use 1/250th if you don't mind a bit of motion blur around the horses legs.

Is the lighting fairly even around the place? if so spend a bit of time working out what exposure is good and then dial that in as a manual setting. Right now I think the camera is choosing an exposure for the walls! If the lighting is not even maybe consider getting yourself in one spot and only shooting there for a bit.

Give us a bit more info about your lens and the location and maybe more specific advice can be given :)
 
u can edit this with photoshop and darken the surrounding, ranking up the levels, brightness for the base image without washout background and prevent too much noise showing throw the background as well. However the subject will have significant noise and require serious amount of NR, i suppose that might need to be done after the composition of the JPEG so that the NR program doesn't alter any details on the back ground

I have done a picture but i don't know how to load it up
 
May I suggest that, if you are not already, you shoot RAW. OK this is going to give you problems if you only have a 1GB card, but it will help you with post processing. There is more detail available in a RAW image than a jpeg. This additional information is usefull on occasions like this. Also most RAW software process the image effectively in 16 bit mode. Don't worry about the technicalities but it will help improve the final result.

Finally try so Noise Reduction software. Noiseware do a free version of their software and it works very well indeed. I prefer the results from Noiseware to that of Noise Ninja.

http://noiseware-community-edition.en.softonic.com/
 
simple answer really is you need more light, get yourself some primes or an f2.8 zoom, yes they are expensive but it'll make a big difference. Also use spot metering to ensure the camera isnt tricked by the bright white bars and wall behind

Tom.
 
:agree: you need at least faster lens (if not a semi-pro body as well), I'm afraid, if you want to take those sort of shots indoors
 
Indoor showjumping can be really tough. Some arenas are much tougher than others. I went to one last year where it was almost like daylight and was a joy to take photos, never went above ISO 400. Then there was another one where it was so dark I couldn't get above 1/200th shutter speed at f2.8 and ISO 1600. Ideally I wouldn't go below 1/400th for showjumping so ISO 3200 would probably have been best. Thank heavens for Noise Ninja!
 
fabs said:
Indoor showjumping can be really tough. Some arenas are much tougher than others. I went to one last year where it was almost like daylight and was a joy to take photos, never went above ISO 400. Then there was another one where it was so dark I couldn't get above 1/200th shutter speed at f2.8 and ISO 1600. Ideally I wouldn't go below 1/400th for showjumping so ISO 3200 would probably have been best. Thank heavens for Noise Ninja!
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Wow!! Yes i know rowallan is like daylight compared to Ingliston

Flash In The Pan said:
:agree: you need at least faster lens (if not a semi-pro body as well), I'm afraid, if you want to take those sort of shots indoors
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Sorry, but i have no money atm to buy that, or buy a semi professional camera, so the 400D is with mefor a while plus its an amazing camera for outdoors and some indoors i guess its just the lighting there!


Thanks for the advice though! :)
 
Also grab yourself a bigger memory card, a 4gb compactflash of good quality and speed can be had for less than a tenner posted now
 
Well i havent been paid will speak to rents would possibly be interested in the 16gb is it good? how many photos does it hold.?
on raw and stuff

Right for the embarssing question, where abouts is spot meatering on your camera. :|

reddeathdrinker said:
I have a heap of 4GB SanDisk ExIII cards, but I use a 16GB MyMemory.co.uk card, got it for £18. Over 1000 images, shooting RAW on my D300.

http://www.mymemory.co.uk/compatible-memory/Digital_Cameras/Canon/Canon+EOS+400D_Memory_Cards

Is a nice list:)
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on a 450 its the button in the circle thats above the middle one, wow thats confusing. To make cards last longer try taking a lappy and card reader with you and switching cards, saves on total storage for longer events.
 
frankee said:
Right for the embarssing question, where abouts is spot meatering on your camera. :|
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A 400D doesn't have spot metering. The available metering modes are explained on page 73 of your manual.

A 450D does have spot metering - see page 77 of the 450D manual.
 
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