Tamron SP 70-200mm 2.8 Di VC USD

Whats your experience?

  • Good

    Votes: 8 80.0%
  • Its not bad for the price

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Dont bother get the Nikon equivalent you tight tw@t...

    Votes: 1 10.0%

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HI All


I do a lot of gig photography and I'm looking at the above lens...

If anyone has it/used it - I was wondering how it copes with low light focusing?

Cheers

J
 
It's certainly a very slow focuser. It's the slowest focusing lens I have. That's good for AF during video, a bit annoying otherwise. Not a good lens for birding or sports where fast AF can be critical. Not tried it in low light, and probably won't, since I have a blindingly fast focusing 80-200mm f2.8. But in my experience being able to focus in low light is much more a function of your camera's AF system than the lens.

Every time I've upgraded my camera I've found the low light focusing of all my lenses has improved. My worst low light focuser not surprisingly is my 500mm f8. I was used to the idea that in relatively dim light, such as shade in a tree on a sunny day, it would fail to focus if I couldn't point it at a high contrast edge. I was startled to find that my latest camera can focus that lens on detail so dim and low in contrast that I can't actually see what it focused on. So I think you should seek opinions from people whose camera has the same AF system as yours.
 
It's certainly a very slow focuser. It's the slowest focusing lens I have. That's good for AF during video, a bit annoying otherwise. Not a good lens for birding or sports where fast AF can be critical. Not tried it in low light, and probably won't, since I have a blindingly fast focusing 80-200mm f2.8. But in my experience being able to focus in low light is much more a function of your camera's AF system than the lens.

Every time I've upgraded my camera I've found the low light focusing of all my lenses has improved. My worst low light focuser not surprisingly is my 500mm f8. I was used to the idea that in relatively dim light, such as shade in a tree on a sunny day, it would fail to focus if I couldn't point it at a high contrast edge. I was startled to find that my latest camera can focus that lens on detail so dim and low in contrast that I can't actually see what it focused on. So I think you should seek opinions from people whose camera has the same AF system as yours.

Youre possiby thinking of the older model, the VC is actually pretty fast.
 
cheers guys - worth considering then!! It will be going on a d750 all being well which i understand focus's well in low light anyway - but its always good to know the potential floors before waving goodbye to £800 ha
 
Voted good as i have the Canon mount version and it's a very nice piece of kit. Optically sharp as i would want and focus a hair or two off the Canon 70/200 2.8II but without the price tag. Can't say i have much of a problem with focus in low light but i don't use it much in those circumstances (sorry not that helpful!).
 
I have used it to test on my D750 and here are my findings from a short session of shooting random stuff indoors

Good
1. Really sharp across all all focal lengths. While some reports says the 200 mm end is softer, I found it sharp enough.
2. Contrast is good overall, but lacks a slight bit at 200 mm on bright objects
3. VC is excellent and silent compared to the Tamron 70-300 I had before
4. Well built and feels solid to hold. Bit front heavy on a D750 compared to the Nikon 70-200 F4 I have but expected as this is twice as heavy
5. Focus speed is excellent. In dark conditions also it did well, but I understand the Nikon 2.8 is better in low lights
6. Half the price of Nikon, but performance is close. DXO in fact rates this lens to be sharper than Nikon 2.8, but most other reviews suggest the other way. I think the Nikon 2.8 is consistently sharp from 70-200 at 2.8. The tamron may edge the Nikon in certain focal lengths, but from reviews it is slightly behind the Nikon 2.8 at 200 at 2.8
7. Colours are nice
8. Bokeh is excellent

Not so good or could have been better
1. It focus breathes at close focusing distance. Compared to my Nikon 70-200 F4 and the difference is quite obvious. At shortest focus distance this lens is about 145-160 mm when zoomed in to 200 mm and not a true 200 mm. This is quite well known for such lenses. The Nikon 2.8 is worse at 135 mm. If you intend to shoot objects closes to you, this can be a problem. The Canon is best in this regard and so is the Nikon 70-200 F4. At longer distances the breathing doe snot matter like in sports and concerts.
2. Does not have focus limiter switch - it is handy for shooting distance objects and the AF will not pick up anything close that comes in the way. This is a deal breaker for serious pro sports shooters

In my limited experience, I liked it and it is very sharp. If you shoot as a professional and make money, I'd say go for the Nikon 2.8 as you will never regret buying the Nikon and your work will pay for it in a couple of shoots. If it is for hobby, get the Tamron. It is best value for money 70-200 2.8 that is not just about value, but offers good performance.

Here's one shot I kept as others were just shooting random objects.

This one is almost at 100 % zoom at 200 mm F2.8


Almost 100% crop with the Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC
by Anirban Acharya, on Flickr
 
I have used it to test on my D750 and here are my findings from a short session of shooting random stuff indoors

Good
1. Really sharp across all all focal lengths. While some reports says the 200 mm end is softer, I found it sharp enough.
2. Contrast is good overall, but lacks a slight bit at 200 mm on bright objects
3. VC is excellent and silent compared to the Tamron 70-300 I had before
4. Well built and feels solid to hold. Bit front heavy on a D750 compared to the Nikon 70-200 F4 I have but expected as this is twice as heavy
5. Focus speed is excellent. In dark conditions also it did well, but I understand the Nikon 2.8 is better in low lights
6. Half the price of Nikon, but performance is close. DXO in fact rates this lens to be sharper than Nikon 2.8, but most other reviews suggest the other way. I think the Nikon 2.8 is consistently sharp from 70-200 at 2.8. The tamron may edge the Nikon in certain focal lengths, but from reviews it is slightly behind the Nikon 2.8 at 200 at 2.8
7. Colours are nice
8. Bokeh is excellent

Not so good or could have been better
1. It focus breathes at close focusing distance. Compared to my Nikon 70-200 F4 and the difference is quite obvious. At shortest focus distance this lens is about 145-160 mm when zoomed in to 200 mm and not a true 200 mm. This is quite well known for such lenses. The Nikon 2.8 is worse at 135 mm. If you intend to shoot objects closes to you, this can be a problem. The Canon is best in this regard and so is the Nikon 70-200 F4. At longer distances the breathing doe snot matter like in sports and concerts.
2. Does not have focus limiter switch - it is handy for shooting distance objects and the AF will not pick up anything close that comes in the way. This is a deal breaker for serious pro sports shooters

In my limited experience, I liked it and it is very sharp. If you shoot as a professional and make money, I'd say go for the Nikon 2.8 as you will never regret buying the Nikon and your work will pay for it in a couple of shoots. If it is for hobby, get the Tamron. It is best value for money 70-200 2.8 that is not just about value, but offers good performance.

Here's one shot I kept as others were just shooting random objects.

This one is almost at 100 % zoom at 200 mm F2.8


Almost 100% crop with the Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC
by Anirban Acharya, on Flickr
What do you class as close distances? I've not noticed any focus breathing on my 70-200mm f2.8 but then I wouldn't know how to test for it anyway :lol:
 
I have used it to test on my D750 and here are my findings from a short session of shooting random stuff indoors

Good
1. Really sharp across all all focal lengths. While some reports says the 200 mm end is softer, I found it sharp enough.
2. Contrast is good overall, but lacks a slight bit at 200 mm on bright objects
3. VC is excellent and silent compared to the Tamron 70-300 I had before
4. Well built and feels solid to hold. Bit front heavy on a D750 compared to the Nikon 70-200 F4 I have but expected as this is twice as heavy
5. Focus speed is excellent. In dark conditions also it did well, but I understand the Nikon 2.8 is better in low lights
6. Half the price of Nikon, but performance is close. DXO in fact rates this lens to be sharper than Nikon 2.8, but most other reviews suggest the other way. I think the Nikon 2.8 is consistently sharp from 70-200 at 2.8. The tamron may edge the Nikon in certain focal lengths, but from reviews it is slightly behind the Nikon 2.8 at 200 at 2.8
7. Colours are nice
8. Bokeh is excellent


Great first hand review, insight and finding - thank you for taking the time to write this - hope it helps others too.

You cant argue with the sharpness at all - this is cracking! very nice I think my decision is made!

Thanks again
 
The Nikon 70-200 VR II is a notorious focus breather this review shows the effects http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm

If you need (or want) f2.8 on a Nikon it is still the best 70-200 imo, the tammy is very close behind though from what I've seen. The tammy doesn't take TC's though. If you don't need f2.8 then the Nikon 70-200 f4 is really good.
 
What do you class as close distances? I've not noticed any focus breathing on my 70-200mm f2.8 but then I wouldn't know how to test for it anyway :LOL:

Aha, most people won't notice the lens breathing until you compare against another that does not breath.
The focus breathing issue on the Nikon 70-200 F2.8 VRII is well discussed and documented on the internet.

Close distance starts from minimum focusing distance and anything close that is not infinity for the lens.

Here's a link to the review written by Thom Hogan with the table below

http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm

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One more compared with 70-200 VR1, 70-20 F4 and another lens.

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What it means is that if you are shooting with the lens at its closest focus distance the actual focal length is shorter for Nikon and Tamron versions. Interestingly the Canon is longer. The old Nikon 70-200 VRI does not suffer from this breathing and neither does the 70-200 F4.

When I compared the Tamron with the 70-200 F4, I was able to see clearly that the FOV on the F4 is magnified more at 200 and the Tamron seemed like 160mm and not true 200 mm.

You may also see Matt Garngers comparison with the Nikon VRII and Nikon 200 F2 and see how focus breathing affects the magnification on the 70-200 VRII. Btw, Matt was wrong in his earlier review where he said that the Nikon does not focus breath like the canon and Tamron, but he later corrected himself.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQx9fAAtwOI


Hope this helps to understand the issue.
 
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Great first hand review, insight and finding - thank you for taking the time to write this - hope it helps others too.
You cant argue with the sharpness at all - this is cracking! very nice I think my decision is made!
Thanks again
Glad it helped, but I have not used it much. Do see other reviews on the internet and if possible get one and try.

If you are buying the Tamron, buy from a place where they will let you replace should you see any AF fine tuning issues or decentering issues. If you own the Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC, bear in mind that both these lenses have the same ID for AF fine tuning in a Nikon body. People who are fussy and clinical with their gear will not buy these two lenses unless no AF fine tuning is needed on either. I discussed this with a Tamron rep at Park Cameras and he said thay are aware of this, but no fix is promised yet. I guess a simple Firmware fix should do the trick to change the ID. This is not an issue on Canon bodies
 
The Nikon 70-200 VR II is a notorious focus breather this review shows the effects http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm

If you need (or want) f2.8 on a Nikon it is still the best 70-200 imo, the tammy is very close behind though from what I've seen. The tammy doesn't take TC's though. If you don't need f2.8 then the Nikon 70-200 f4 is really good.

Thanks Paul - I did consider the F4 Nikon lens but available light at gigs can be really tough at times... I Im thinking that the only option would be a 2.8 lens as a minimum really. a 200m or 300m prime wouldn't be the best option either imho - the room in photography pits can sometime be really cramped. this weekend at the Libertines gig there were over 27 photographers and 10 to 15 security - you could move ha ! as a must 24-70 and a 70-200 will cover everything you need - the difficult part is deciding which 70-200 2.8 - A 2nd hand Nikon 70-200 could be an option
 
Jason, in a gig shoot if you are bit far from the stage, this will not matter much, but if you are very close you may get a slightly lesser magnification with the Tamron or Nikon VRII.

Here's another review where it shows at longer distances, the effect is no longer a problem

http://dustinabbott.net/2013/07/tamron-sp-70-200mm-f2-8-di-vc-usd-review/

The Nikon VR1 can be good option for you as it has VR and centre sharpness is very goof. It does suffer from vignetting, but for gigs, it is not a problem at all.
 
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Thanks Paul - I did consider the F4 Nikon lens but available light at gigs can be really tough at times... I Im thinking that the only option would be a 2.8 lens as a minimum really. a 200m or 300m prime wouldn't be the best option either imho - the room in photography pits can sometime be really cramped. this weekend at the Libertines gig there were over 27 photographers and 10 to 15 security - you could move ha ! as a must 24-70 and a 70-200 will cover everything you need - the difficult part is deciding which 70-200 2.8 - A 2nd hand Nikon 70-200 could be an option
Even with the high ISO capabilities, sometime f2.8 is better for sure! If I was shooting gigs I'd use f2.8's. The 24-70/70-200 combo won't let you down. As corner performance isn't really an issue with gig photography you could get a good Nikon VR1 (technically just called VR but ....) - I've used the ones we have at work and they just work! Probably cost less than a new tammy too though you'd have to check. For all that a good copy of the tammy would work well too, I'm not sure where they are with QC now, but the early batches were variable (being kind).
 
Jason, in a gig shoot if you are bit far from the stage, this will not matter much, but if you are very close you may get a slightly lesser magnification with the Tamron or Nikon VRII.

Here's another review where it shows at longer distances, the effect is no longer a problem

http://dustinabbott.net/2013/07/tamron-sp-70-200mm-f2-8-di-vc-usd-review/

The Nikon VR1 can be good option for you as it has VR and centre sharpness is very goof. It does suffer from vignetting, but for gigs, it is not a problem at all.

Thanks Paul. I get why close focusing could be an issue for some people - my mind set is "if im buying a 70-200 lens its because it can reach where i cant"... i guess thats the whole point (imo) - that said - the 24-70 will make up for that short fall anyway i guess

Gig Stages can be so different from gig to gig - Ive also shot the bigger stadiums so potential close focusing wont be too much of a problem i dont think, like you said

Thanks for the additional link - will have a read

This was is a shot of Weller at 200mm F5 - but the lighting was perfect - shot at 1/320 and iso 1600 (with the cannon equivalent on loan)

Paul Weller at Manchester Arena. Saturns Pattern World Tour by Irafusha By Jason Palmer, on Flickr
 
Have had a fair amount of 70-200 lenses including all the Nikon variations and the older 80-200's. The Tamron stacks up pretty well against all of them.

The Tamron vc version is every bit as good as the Nikon apart from between 180-200mm. This could be just down to the copies I had. Am more than happy with the Tamron I have currently. The Nikon VR2 is better built and is sharper wide open at the very long end but that's something I can live with. I also think that the VC is better than the Nikon VR just my personal option though.

For the price the Tamron is definitely the best performance versus cost option. If money is no object and you want the best get the VR2.
 
Aha, most people won't notice the lens breathing until you compare against another that does not breath.
The focus breathing issue on the Nikon 70-200 F2.8 VRII is well discussed and documented on the internet.

Close distance starts from minimum focusing distance and anything close that is not infinity for the lens.

Here's a link to the review written by Thom Hogan with the table below

http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm

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One more compared with 70-200 VR1, 70-20 F4 and another lens.

16797873-md.jpg


What it means is that if you are shooting with the lens at its closest focus distance the actual focal length is shorter for Nikon and Tamron versions. Interestingly the Canon is longer. The old Nikon 70-200 VRI does not suffer from this breathing and neither does the 70-200 F4.

When I compared the Tamron with the 70-200 F4, I was able to see clearly that the FOV on the F4 is magnified more at 200 and the Tamron seemed like 160mm and not true 200 mm.

You may also see Matt Garngers comparison with the Nikon VRII and Nikon 200 F2 and see how focus breathing affects the magnification on the 70-200 VRII. Btw, Matt was wrong in his earlier review where he said that the Nikon does not focus breath like the canon and Tamron, but he later corrected himself.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQx9fAAtwOI


Hope this helps to understand the issue.
Thanks for that. Really bad at close focus at 200mm isn't it, although that being said I've always fancied the 135mm anyway :lol:
 
Thanks for that. Really bad at close focus at 200mm isn't it, although that being said I've always fancied the 135mm anyway :LOL:
It is bad when you look it that way, but the Nikon 70-200 VRII is considered as one of the finest lenses by people who use it and I have not heard anyone complaining. It is a stonking lens.

Wish I could afford one as 135mm at 2.8 is a good portrait lens. I don't need anything longer :D

Hoping to see Sigma coming up with a 135 F2 Art and if that comes up, I will sell all my other lenses and keep the 24-85 VR and that 135 F2 and I will not worry about portrait lens anymore.
 
It is bad when you look it that way, but the Nikon 70-200 VRII is considered as one of the finest lenses by people who use it and I have not heard anyone complaining. It is a stonking lens.

Wish I could afford one as 135mm at 2.8 is a good portrait lens. I don't need anything longer :D

Hoping to see Sigma coming up with a 135 F2 Art and if that comes up, I will sell all my other lenses and keep the 24-85 VR and that 135 F2 and I will not worry about portrait lens anymore.
TBH it's not something I knew about but now you've mentioned it but now I can't see past it and my favourite lens is now ruined, damn you for bringing it to my attention :mad:

Obviously I'm kidding :p I concur it's one of the finest lenses, it's by far the best lens I have or have ever used (y)
 
Glad it helped, but I have not used it much. Do see other reviews on the internet and if possible get one and try.

If you are buying the Tamron, buy from a place where they will let you replace should you see any AF fine tuning issues or decentering issues. If you own the Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC, bear in mind that both these lenses have the same ID for AF fine tuning in a Nikon body. People who are fussy and clinical with their gear will not buy these two lenses unless no AF fine tuning is needed on either. I discussed this with a Tamron rep at Park Cameras and he said thay are aware of this, but no fix is promised yet. I guess a simple Firmware fix should do the trick to change the ID. This is not an issue on Canon bodies

This is useful to know since I already own the 24-70mm.
 
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