The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!
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Who cares what the price is on the Sony site?
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/Sony/Sony-NEX-Cameras/Sony-Alpha-A7-Body
Anyway, twist thinks there should be an affordable range of lenses to match the relatively cheap bodies. I can't work out why you are being difficult about this. Is your view that there shouldn't be affordable lenses?
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/Sony/Sony-NEX-Cameras/Sony-Alpha-A7-Body
Anyway, twist thinks there should be an affordable range of lenses to match the relatively cheap bodies. I can't work out why you are being difficult about this. Is your view that there shouldn't be affordable lenses?
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Do you put it in the pro line up against other pro FF cameras? Considering it has no pro build, no pro sealing, no pro AF, no pro support and when its price point indicates its entry level and places it in line with other entry level FF cameras?
Never mind @JYC, youre clearly going to be wasting your time with this one.
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I agree. the fact that the EOS-M has sold as well as it has (or at all!) shows that brand recognition matters. What people see the pros using on TV, what brand their photography enthusiast friend recommends (and most people recommend what they use themselves), what kit gets good reviews on websites matters an enormous amount to a large number of buyers. Most consumers don't go out thinking "I want an average camera for an average price", they come to the conclusion that Brand X is the best, and go out and buy the best Brand X camera in their budget, even if at that price point Brand Y is the better option. A lot of those people end up buying an EOS-M.
The other side of the equation is who Sony is going after with the A7 series. The Axxxx series is there for people for whom price is more important than image quality or just want a good all round camera. The A7 cameras are there to pull in high end Nikon/Canon users, and you don't do that by saying "hey guys look at this range of OKish lenses we have!" While a small full frame mirrorless camera certainly tempted me, it was the performance of the 55mm that convinced me to dump all my Nikon gear.
As a current user of A7 cameras, I'm glad that the likes of the 28mm FE exist and want to see more of them, but as an Ex-Nikon owner, if that had been Sony's priority I'd probably still be lugging my D800 around moaning about how heavy it was, how frustrating the autofocus was, and how disappointingly soft my 50mm was. I still say that Sony's biggest mistakes since the launch have been how uninspiring the 24-70mm is and the 70-200mm not being available at launch.
I don't put it in any line up. It's just a camera. The A7, A7R and A7S are all about the same level of features as far as i'm concerned. Different features, but a similar level.
Sony do have Pro support though. And of course the A7R, A7ii, A7s don't have 'pro' AF, and even the nearly £3k A7RII doesn't have 'pro sealing'
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The original may be now, I prefer to just call it old and still on sale rather than entry level, but their range also include the A7RII doesn't itSurely that deserves some good glass.
That is probably most accurate.
Don't think anyone would say there shouldn't be good glass.The original may be now, I prefer to just call it old and still on sale rather than entry level, but their range also include the A7RII doesn't it
Having good glass does not mean you can't have affordable lenses too. It shouldn't be either/or.
Why not? Not everyone has an unlimited budget, its why a lot of people are avoiding the A7, Sony will lose out. They are trying to make an impact with new technology and a new mount, theyve always been a small player in comparison and need the user base to sell the system.
Sure, you get a cheap camera in the A7 and kit lens but then what? You make them wait years for affordable lenses, not a good move.
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You are looking at it from a consumer perspective which is fine, but different from a supplier who wants to get a foothold in the luxury end of the market against established players. It's been a while since I've looked into the marketing strategies. One of them is the Mercedes Benz effect from the top working it down.
Ultimately it is a case of many roads lead to Rome. One isn't necessarily better than the other. I think that especially with the A7II and the A7RII they will have to get too quality lenses sorted.
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Hmm they have been around for a long long time at the top of the market. I see them, BMW, etc. as the Canon or Nikon of the car world.
What was the strategy of Toyota, Honda, Nissan in the 70s, or Kia and Hyundai in the 2000s? Cheap, reasonable quality and well priced cars in the lower mass market segments to grow market share
What was the strategy of Toyota, Honda, Nissan in the 70s, or Kia and Hyundai in the 2000s? Cheap, reasonable quality and well priced cars in the lower mass market segments to grow market share
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Exactly, and at a time Mercedes didn't occupy that space which they moved in much later to great success. Yet Toyota Honda and Nissan still haven't broken into the luxury segments.Hmm they have been around for a long long time at the top of the market. I see them, BMW, etc. as the Canon or Nikon of the car world.
What was the strategy of Toyota, Honda, Nissan in the 70s, or Kia and Hyundai in the 2000s? Cheap, reasonable quality and well priced cars in the lower mass market segments to grow market share
The problem is Sony doesnt have the brand influence or offer the vast options the other players do so its going to be harder for them to convince the higher end of the market and then on top of that they want to sell the cheaper models that everyday users will be buying. Id understand if they were just marketing to A7rii users / large budget users but their camera line up doesnt reflect that philosophy.
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Found a 35/2.8 at a decent price. Due to arrive tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how AF is on the A7R.
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Excellent!
I'm very happy with mine and I'll be taking it and my A7 on holiday next month (to a wedding in Thailand,) if I can actually go. Hope you're happy with the focus speed, I am.
I'd regard the 55 and 35mm f2.8 as being reasonably priced for the quality they offer, I grudgingly agree with the policy of aiming high with very good but rather expensive lenses whilst the system is getting established and gaining acceptance and plaudits. I do hope to see more mid market lenses at more reasonable prices but I think that these may take time to come. In the meantime I think it's best to look at the prices in relation to the better competition and not the relatively mid market competition from the third parties like Sigma and Tamron.
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Funnily enough, I've been keen to find one of these as I've got a wedding coming up in Gibraltar. Hope you make it to Thailand - got to be more fun than Gib.
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I still struggle with the fact that I paid £450 for a 55mm f1.8 and £760 for a 70-200 F4. This was crazy money for me because the actual A7 with 28-70 only cost me £700 but I needed these lenses.
I still find it hard to stay with the system as the lenses are so expensive. Basically I cant buy anymore of the current lens Line up now for at least 2 years.
I know they are amazing lenses but I don't know if they are wasted on me and should just switch to another brand were I will have more lens options.
Its hard because sony bodies drop so much because of the release schedule so its easy to get in. But once in you need a friggin mortgage for lenses! Hehe
I still find it hard to stay with the system as the lenses are so expensive. Basically I cant buy anymore of the current lens Line up now for at least 2 years.
I know they are amazing lenses but I don't know if they are wasted on me and should just switch to another brand were I will have more lens options.
Its hard because sony bodies drop so much because of the release schedule so its easy to get in. But once in you need a friggin mortgage for lenses! Hehe
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Sorry to but in, but......................Mercedes have gone poor since accountants started to run the business, the late 90's and 2000 year cars are rust buckets. I bought my last brand new mercedes in 2003 and would never buy again unless they have upped their game. As for Toyota they have Lexus and the LS400 I owned was probably better than any , Merc, Jag, Audi, BMW etc........ I have owned by a country and I have owned a few luxury cars.
Anyway as this has started from the latest 90mm macro link and I said on page 106 (the last time it was discussed) along with others, it was way over priced compared to the others in the market. I think Sony are fishing in the wrong market with there current prices, be interesting to see how many on here buy the 90mm at the current price, less than a handful probably. The adapter route will stop it, unless people are using the lens as a portrait lens which may help sales.
https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/the-sony-a7x-i-ii-owners-thread.511885/page-106
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A7rii with its af may work out cheaper in the long run then any other a7 system as it could make all canon lenses work properly in terms of af
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Yes exactly. If your starting out from scratch personally I'd go nikon simple as that. Not this system.
Lack of lenses and pricier
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Just my 2 cents I never bought into a FF price point bargain or otherwise I bought into EVF for me that's the system payback, I would lay high probability that second hand resale will be harder than Canon or Nikon but I did pay less in the first place
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Can you use manual lenses to cut the costs and still give you different lens options? Prices of manual lenses seem to be rising but you can still get a bargain if you hunt.
I can understand your view that an A7 system may be wasted on you but I don't think you should give that thought too much time. I recently bought a used MFT Olympus 17mm f1.8 and I've been using it on my Panasonic G1. It's the same FoV as my A7 + 35mm f2.8 and whilst the value of the camera and lens package is only about £250 the image quality is really good at ISO 100-400 and acceptable right the way up to 1600 and is very probably good enough for 99.9% of the pictures I take but the Sony beats it if I want to look very closely, print very big or use high ISO's and I like having nice things and even if most of the time the capabilities of the system and the quality it's capable of are beyond what I need I don't think it's wasted on me.
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That's the beauty of Mirrorless though, isn't it? Go buy a Nikon/Canon/Rokinon or whatever and stick it on. There's no requirement to stick to FE glass, especially if you can't afford it! There's some amazing lenses out there, give them a shot. I certainly discovered a new side to my photography as a result.
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To be fair I agree the 55 is overpriced (as good as it is) because similar lenses on FF for Nikon and Canon are less than £150 (50mm f1.8) however £760 for the 70-200 is a bargain when you consider the Nikon 70-200 f4 is closer to £950!
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Plus the sigma art one is just as sharp