The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

the black fox said:
Your in the same boat as me Mike you would be coming from 600mm reach to 500 ,mines from 840 to 500 . But if the tc works ?? On a 70-350 it pushes the boundaries . Never used the rx10 so don’t know about the a.f but this eye tracking on the a6700 is insane it grabs instantly and sticks like glue
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The af on the RX10iv is good but by all accounts the A6700 is next level and I'd hope for a much higher percentage of keepers.

Coming down from 600mm to 525mm is probably not that big a deal for me as cropping 26MP (A6700) down to 20MP (RX10iv) would give an effective focal length > 600mm I think and the APS-C sensor will have bigger/better pixels.

I'm not great on the technicalities (as you can tell!) but I think I'd be a bit better off, the main thing being the fancy af.

I found this interesting:
View: https://youtu.be/pM4Cm9x5gGo?si=JrAoiywSbVNzVR40
 
dibbly dobbler said:
The af on the RX10iv is good but by all accounts the A6700 is next level and I'd hope for a much higher percentage of keepers.

Coming down from 600mm to 525mm is probably not that big a deal for me as cropping 26MP (A6700) down to 20MP (RX10iv) would give an effective focal length > 600mm I think and the APS-C sensor will have bigger/better pixels.

I'm not great on the technicalities (as you can tell!) but I think I'd be a bit better off, the main thing being the fancy af.

I found this interesting:
View: https://youtu.be/pM4Cm9x5gGo?si=JrAoiywSbVNzVR40
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I would have thought the A6700 and 70-350mm would give a noticeable improvement over the RX10iv in both AF and IQ, and it’s only a few grams heavier.
 
snerkler said:
I would have thought the A6700 and 70-350mm would give a noticeable improvement over the RX10iv in both AF and IQ, and it’s only a few grams heavier.
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Thanks Toby. Yes you may well be right, I just need to pluck up courage and give the piggy bank a rattle before I commit. It does feel like I'll end up doing it at some point as the RX10 line seems to be ending with the Mk4...
 
the black fox said:
Camera arrived this afternoon,set it up for photos so far , think I’ve got it right ? Video can wait for a while .. will take my time sorting out which lens to get next ,probably be the 70-350 but also looked at some of the Tamron ones 70-300 etc .
Think the 200-600 is pushing it though price and weight wise , I’m still keeping the Olympus and 300 f4 + tc that gives a effective 840mm reach with bird I.d , so really need to get near that if possible any reasonable priced suggestions.?
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I used the canon version of the Sigma 150-600 c with the mc 11 adaptor on the a6400 worked really well , also used a canon 400 f5.6 Prime as well on a Sony a7iv , works ok but not perfect may be better on the A6700. the canon is very light and still one of the Sharpest lens out there. you can pick them up for about 4 to 5 hundred and you can use the sigma 1.4 tc with them

this was taken with the canon 400
Barn Owl by robb d, on Flickr

this was with the canon and the sigma 1.4tc
Kingfisher by robb d, on Flickr

this was the a6400. with the sigma 150-600
Fox by robb d, on Flickr
 
dibbly dobbler said:
Thanks Toby. Yes you may well be right, I just need to pluck up courage and give the piggy bank a rattle before I commit. It does feel like I'll end up doing it at some point as the RX10 line seems to be ending with the Mk4...
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Can you not go to a store with your RX10 and compare it with the A6700 and 70-350mm and see how much difference there is before commiting?
 
mav said:
I used the canon version of the Sigma 150-600 c with the mc 11 adaptor on the a6400 worked really well , also used a canon 400 f5.6 Prime as well on a Sony a7iv , works ok but not perfect may be better on the A6700. the canon is very light and still one of the Sharpest lens out there. you can pick them up for about 4 to 5 hundred and you can use the sigma 1.4 tc with them

this was taken with the canon 400
Barn Owl by robb d, on Flickr

this was with the canon and the sigma 1.4tc
Kingfisher by robb d, on Flickr

this was the a6400. with the sigma 150-600
Fox by robb d, on Flickr
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Cheers rob I wasn’t aware you could use other brands on the Sony and retain a.f ..looks like I need a bit more studying before I bite any bullets
 
dibbly dobbler said:
The af on the RX10iv is good but by all accounts the A6700 is next level and I'd hope for a much higher percentage of keepers.

Coming down from 600mm to 525mm is probably not that big a deal for me as cropping 26MP (A6700) down to 20MP (RX10iv) would give an effective focal length > 600mm I think and the APS-C sensor will have bigger/better pixels.

I'm not great on the technicalities (as you can tell!) but I think I'd be a bit better off, the main thing being the fancy af.

I found this interesting:
View: https://youtu.be/pM4Cm9x5gGo?si=JrAoiywSbVNzVR40
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Mike I have gone for this due to the fancy AF ,I was stunned yesterday by how good it really is .the Olympus bird I.d is good but this is another dimension. And it even has insect I.d if that works o.k then all bets are off
 
snerkler said:
Can you not go to a store with your RX10 and compare it with the A6700 and 70-350mm and see how much difference there is before commiting?
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Hmm well my current kit is:

A7Rii
16-35mm f4 pz (landscape)
90mm (macro)
RX10iv (birds + walkabout)

so probably I could go to:

A6700
10-20 f4 pz
90mm
70-350mm

which would not be a huge investment (assuming I buy cheaply!)

But maybe I'll just trade in the A7Rii and the 16-35mm and get an A6700 and 70-350mm and run it in parallel to the RX10iv for a while then I can keep one or other (I'd be left without a wide angle in the meantime but I've not been using it that often anyway).

Trouble is if I do keep both I could see me just reaching for the RX10 90% of the time as it's so blooming easy/flexible! :headbang:
 
the black fox said:
Mike I have gone for this due to the fancy AF ,I was stunned yesterday by how good it really is .the Olympus bird I.d is good but this is another dimension. And it even has insect I.d if that works o.k then all bets are off
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Thanks Jeff, that is helping me make my mind up as I do like to shoot macro and am also interested in the focus bracketting on the A6700
 
snerkler said:
I would have thought the A6700 and 70-350mm would give a noticeable improvement over the RX10iv in both AF and IQ, and it’s only a few grams heavier.
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the black fox said:
Cheers rob I wasn’t aware you could use other brands on the Sony and retain a.f ..looks like I need a bit more studying before I bite any bullets
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I should add that sigma now make a dedicated sony mount 150-600 same weight more or less but its called a sport,
 
mav said:
I should add that sigma now make a dedicated sony mount 150-600 same weight more or less but its called a sport,
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2.1kg is pretty weighty though. I know it’s a similar weight to the Sony 200-600mm but it’s certainly a lot heavier than the Olly 300mm f4.
 
this is my main problem the whole reason for buying is both the A.F and the weight factor age and health issues make that a priority .. and one of my main reasons for going down the olympus path in the first place .. at this moment in time it looks like the 70-350 is the only viable alternative .I may at a later date add a sony 200-600 for tripod use but that's still a large chunk of money as well
 
quick question when looking through the EVF I have the levelling bar right in the middle of the screen how can I get rid of it ???

no worries found it ,just press up on the display button on command dial
 
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dibbly dobbler said:
Thanks Toby. Yes you may well be right, I just need to pluck up courage and give the piggy bank a rattle before I commit. It does feel like I'll end up doing it at some point as the RX10 line seems to be ending with the Mk4...
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just been looking through Flickr and mike Stephens shots came up taken with a a6600-and sony 70-350 quite impressive I I believe he is on here as well ? looked at both Tamron and sigma 400mm max zooms and although both give a 50mm (75mm) more reach I think the i.q doesn't match the sony .quite a few used 70-350 on evil bay but virtually the same price as a new one from cotswold cameras so we shall see . still looking but getting near to decision time.. the camera plus either sigma or Tamron come in at about the same weight as the om1+100-400 whereas the 70-350 is considerably lighter
 
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the black fox said:
this is my main problem the whole reason for buying is both the A.F and the weight factor age and health issues make that a priority .. and one of my main reasons for going down the olympus path in the first place .. at this moment in time it looks like the 70-350 is the only viable alternative .I may at a later date add a sony 200-600 for tripod use but that's still a large chunk of money as well
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What about the sigma 100-400mm, DG DN OS? Gets great reviews, 'only' 1.1kg and can be had used like new for £644 at MBP?
 
couple of starter shots from today just dog sitting for a few hours while daughter has some work done first one at 12800iso second at 5000 iso natural light ,hand held. animal eye i.d
willow by jeff cohen, on Flickr
mother and son by jeff cohen, on Flickr
 
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snerkler said:
What about the sigma 100-400mm, DG DN OS? Gets great reviews, 'only' 1.1kg and can be had used like new for £644 at MBP?
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yep seen them toby tamron weighs 1135 grams , sigma slightly more whereas the sony only weighs in at 625 grams around half the weight for slightly less reach and a lower price ,im trying to equate reach with flexibility as I rapidly approach 80 with various health issues to plus its for the wife to use as well .
 
the black fox said:
couple of starter shots from today just dog sitting for a few hours while daughter has some work done first one at 12800iso second at 5000 iso natural light ,hand held. animal eye i.d
willow by jeff cohen, on Flickr
mother and son by jeff cohen, on Flickr
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These are great Jeff! The high iso performance looks light years ahead of the RX10 anyway - I’ve never used a photo above iso1600 on the RX even with Topaz applied…
 
dibbly dobbler said:
These are great Jeff! The high iso performance looks light years ahead of the RX10 anyway - I’ve never used a photo above iso1600 on the RX even with Topaz applied…
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Yeah just did them in Lightroom with standard LR de.noise applied , good level of detail in them to … still exploring the camera settings so I’m quite sure this can be improved on given time ,, need to figure out the video side of things to ?. Just put some of my Olympus four thirds lenses on evil bay if they sell it will give me a big lift into a big zoom .. watched a u.tube vid earlier where the guy was using this camera hand held with a Sony 200-600 an£ he couldn’t hold it on target , so that’s off the wish list
 
the black fox said:
Yeah just did them in Lightroom with standard LR de.noise applied , good level of detail in them to … still exploring the camera settings so I’m quite sure this can be improved on given time ,, need to figure out the video side of things to ?. Just put some of my Olympus four thirds lenses on evil bay if they sell it will give me a big lift into a big zoom .. watched a u.tube vid earlier where the guy was using this camera hand held with a Sony 200-600 an£ he couldn’t hold it on target , so that’s off the wish list
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If I was going to a longer zoom than the 70-350 I'd have the Tamron 50-400 as it's comparatively light (at least compared to the other 400mm lenses), it's sharp, not too pricey and you can get a decent macro out of it I believe.
 
the black fox said:
Yeah just did them in Lightroom with standard LR de.noise applied , good level of detail in them to … still exploring the camera settings so I’m quite sure this can be improved on given time ,, need to figure out the video side of things to ?. Just put some of my Olympus four thirds lenses on evil bay if they sell it will give me a big lift into a big zoom .. watched a u.tube vid earlier where the guy was using this camera hand held with a Sony 200-600 an£ he couldn’t hold it on target , so that’s off the wish list
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The 200-600 is a relatively heavy lens, a monopod is useful, especially with a monopod gimbal head. But for the reach it has - and the ability to zoom - it's hard to beat at it's price.

If small birds are your target, the sigma 500 f5.6 is very light and very good, but doesn't have thy flexibility of a zoom of course.
 
dibbly dobbler said:
If I was going to a longer zoom than the 70-350 I'd have the Tamron 50-400 as it's comparatively light (at least compared to the other 400mm lenses), it's sharp, not too pricey and you can get a decent macro out of it I believe.
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I'm probably going to put my tammy up for sale soon I think. It's a great lens but having the 300GM probably replaces it even when travelling light. especially with the 28-200.

Only reason I might keep it is it shares the same 67mm filters so potentially better hiking / landscape compliment. It's also great for infrared photography
 
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Tricky01 said:
I'm probably going to put my tammy up for sale soon I think. It's a great lens but having the 300GM probably replaces it even when travelling light. especially with the 28-200.

Only reason I might keep it is it shares the same 67mm filters so potentially better hiking / landscape compliment. It's also great for infrared photography
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note my comments above re-weight tamron or sigma both around 1135 grams and sony 70-350 @ 625 grams . no probs if your young fit and healthy , but not when your nearly 80 with heart ,back and other issues
 
Jeff,

As you are in the North West, if you are ever over in Warrington area, you can try out my 70-350 for the A6700 before you go shelling out for one ?
 
That’s very kind of you Andrew I will probably take you up on that , hopefully going to try a 200-600 on weds to see if I can handle it . What days are you available
 
As we've been talking a lot about weight saving recently, I'm off to Goodwood FoS again this year and I'd like to reduce the weight of my bag. Last time I went I took the A1 (737g), 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.8 (280g) and Samyang 50mm f1.4 FE II (420g), Total weight 2482g

This year if weight wasn't an issue I'd take my A1 (737g) and A7RV (723g), the 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.4 GM (524g) and 50mm f1.2 GM (778g): Total weight 3807g

Ideally I would like to take two bodies as swapping between the primes in the paddock etc was a bit of a faff so I'm looking at lenses that could save weight. I'm thinking that buying smartly and selling again would be cheaper than renting so I'm considering the Tamron 70-300mm (545g) instead of the 70-200mm f2.8, and the Samyang 45mm f1.8 (162g) instead of the 50mm f1.2. My thoughts are that as the tele is only being used for panning shots I doubt I'd see much difference in IQ, and of course DOF isn't really an issue as the background and foreground wil be blurred anyway. The Samyang 45mm can't compete with the 50mm f1.2 however the shots I took with my old copy are still nice.

The A1, A7RV, Tamron 70-300mm, Sony 35mm f1.4 GM and Samyang 45mm f1.8 come to a weight of 2691g so if I want to save weight over the last time I'd need to ditch the A7RV making it 1968g

Am I mad for making such compromises, especially as it will likely cost money buying and selling lenses? Trouble is I don't think the A1, A7RV, 70-200mm, 35mm f1.4 and 50mm f1.2 will all fit in my sling bag which would mean taking my back pack which I really don't want to be doing.

Proper first world problems and all that ;)
 
snerkler said:
As we've been talking a lot about weight saving recently, I'm off to Goodwood FoS again this year and I'd like to reduce the weight of my bag. Last time I went I took the A1 (737g), 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.8 (280g) and Samyang 50mm f1.4 FE II (420g), Total weight 2482g

This year if weight wasn't an issue I'd take my A1 (737g) and A7RV (723g), the 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.4 GM (524g) and 50mm f1.2 GM (778g): Total weight 3807g

Ideally I would like to take two bodies as swapping between the primes in the paddock etc was a bit of a faff so I'm looking at lenses that could save weight. I'm thinking that buying smartly and selling again would be cheaper than renting so I'm considering the Tamron 70-300mm (545g) instead of the 70-200mm f2.8, and the Samyang 45mm f1.8 (162g) instead of the 50mm f1.2. My thoughts are that as the tele is only being used for panning shots I doubt I'd see much difference in IQ, and of course DOF isn't really an issue as the background and foreground wil be blurred anyway. The Samyang 45mm can't compete with the 50mm f1.2 however the shots I took with my old copy are still nice.

The A1, A7RV, Tamron 70-300mm, Sony 35mm f1.4 GM and Samyang 45mm f1.8 come to a weight of 2691g so if I want to save weight over the last time I'd need to ditch the A7RV making it 1968g

Am I mad for making such compromises, especially as it will likely cost money buying and selling lenses? Trouble is I don't think the A1, A7RV, 70-200mm, 35mm f1.4 and 50mm f1.2 will all fit in my sling bag which would mean taking my back pack which I really don't want to be doing.

Proper first world problems and all that ;)
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A1 & Tamron 70-300mm and A7Rv & 35GM (with a function button set to one touch switch APSC and back again) :)
 
snerkler said:
As we've been talking a lot about weight saving recently, I'm off to Goodwood FoS again this year and I'd like to reduce the weight of my bag. Last time I went I took the A1 (737g), 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.8 (280g) and Samyang 50mm f1.4 FE II (420g), Total weight 2482g

This year if weight wasn't an issue I'd take my A1 (737g) and A7RV (723g), the 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.4 GM (524g) and 50mm f1.2 GM (778g): Total weight 3807g

Ideally I would like to take two bodies as swapping between the primes in the paddock etc was a bit of a faff so I'm looking at lenses that could save weight. I'm thinking that buying smartly and selling again would be cheaper than renting so I'm considering the Tamron 70-300mm (545g) instead of the 70-200mm f2.8, and the Samyang 45mm f1.8 (162g) instead of the 50mm f1.2. My thoughts are that as the tele is only being used for panning shots I doubt I'd see much difference in IQ, and of course DOF isn't really an issue as the background and foreground wil be blurred anyway. The Samyang 45mm can't compete with the 50mm f1.2 however the shots I took with my old copy are still nice.

The A1, A7RV, Tamron 70-300mm, Sony 35mm f1.4 GM and Samyang 45mm f1.8 come to a weight of 2691g so if I want to save weight over the last time I'd need to ditch the A7RV making it 1968g

Am I mad for making such compromises, especially as it will likely cost money buying and selling lenses? Trouble is I don't think the A1, A7RV, 70-200mm, 35mm f1.4 and 50mm f1.2 will all fit in my sling bag which would mean taking my back pack which I really don't want to be doing.

Proper first world problems and all that ;)
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Toby, there is a once seen never unseen issue here, the GM lenses are stellar lenses, and you know that if you 'slummed it' with the Samyang/Tamron there will also be the nagging doubt that the GM shot would be better.

You could drop one of the GM primes but that does depend on how much space you have to work with in the paddock, as IMO car shots look tight at 50mm and can look a bit off at 35mm

The gear doesn't all have to fit into your sling bag, you could take the option of carrying one body/one lens and keeping the rest in the bag, then swap as required.

Typically I lap the paddock/infield at Oulton with one body/lens and then swap and repeat the lap (often using my parked car on the in-field as a camera bag), but the Goodwood events are so large I don't think you will have that luxury.

I know I haven't helped.................but given that my last camera purchase the body weighs 4.5kg (before lenses) and I've dragged it around Dinorwig quarry, I think that you should just take the best gear, and sort out a carrying system to distribute the weight best.
 
snerkler said:
As we've been talking a lot about weight saving recently, I'm off to Goodwood FoS again this year and I'd like to reduce the weight of my bag. Last time I went I took the A1 (737g), 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.8 (280g) and Samyang 50mm f1.4 FE II (420g), Total weight 2482g

This year if weight wasn't an issue I'd take my A1 (737g) and A7RV (723g), the 70-200mm f2.8 GM II (1045g), 35mm f1.4 GM (524g) and 50mm f1.2 GM (778g): Total weight 3807g

Ideally I would like to take two bodies as swapping between the primes in the paddock etc was a bit of a faff so I'm looking at lenses that could save weight. I'm thinking that buying smartly and selling again would be cheaper than renting so I'm considering the Tamron 70-300mm (545g) instead of the 70-200mm f2.8, and the Samyang 45mm f1.8 (162g) instead of the 50mm f1.2. My thoughts are that as the tele is only being used for panning shots I doubt I'd see much difference in IQ, and of course DOF isn't really an issue as the background and foreground wil be blurred anyway. The Samyang 45mm can't compete with the 50mm f1.2 however the shots I took with my old copy are still nice.

The A1, A7RV, Tamron 70-300mm, Sony 35mm f1.4 GM and Samyang 45mm f1.8 come to a weight of 2691g so if I want to save weight over the last time I'd need to ditch the A7RV making it 1968g

Am I mad for making such compromises, especially as it will likely cost money buying and selling lenses? Trouble is I don't think the A1, A7RV, 70-200mm, 35mm f1.4 and 50mm f1.2 will all fit in my sling bag which would mean taking my back pack which I really don't want to be doing.

Proper first world problems and all that ;)
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Depends on you sling bag i guess ;)

In my PD sling 10l, I can fit, A7RV, 20-70, 70-200mm F4 Gii, 1.4x and a prime like 35GM.

Could easily swap the 20-70mm with 50/1.2.

I guess the issue then is the second body....
Just hang it on the side using a PD capture clip :ROFLMAO:
 
LeeRatters said:
A1 & Tamron 70-300mm and A7Rv & 35GM (with a function button set to one touch switch APSC and back again) :)
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I have APS-C set to a button already, and I guess there's not that much difference between a 45mm f1.8 and 52.5mm f2 (equivalent)
Mr Perceptive said:
Toby, there is a once seen never unseen issue here, the GM lenses are stellar lenses, and you know that if you 'slummed it' with the Samyang/Tamron there will also be the nagging doubt that the GM shot would be better.

You could drop one of the GM primes but that does depend on how much space you have to work with in the paddock, as IMO car shots look tight at 50mm and can look a bit off at 35mm

The gear doesn't all have to fit into your sling bag, you could take the option of carrying one body/one lens and keeping the rest in the bag, then swap as required.

Typically I lap the paddock/infield at Oulton with one body/lens and then swap and repeat the lap (often using my parked car on the in-field as a camera bag), but the Goodwood events are so large I don't think you will have that luxury.

I know I haven't helped.................but given that my last camera purchase the body weighs 4.5kg (before lenses) and I've dragged it around Dinorwig quarry, I think that you should just take the best gear, and sort out a carrying system to distribute the weight best.
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I get what you're saying, but I don't want the hassle of carrying the heavy (reatively speaking) gear around to spoil the enjoyment of the weekend. I don't think I'll see any difference in IQ between the 70-200mm f2.8 and Tamron 70-300mm though for the panning shots as I mentioned above. The shots with primes I'll likely see more of a difference, but it's not as though they're going to be award winning shots anyway ;)
nandbytes said:
Depends on you sling bag i guess ;)

In my PD sling 10l, I can fit, A7RV, 20-70, 70-200mm F4 Gii, 1.4x and a prime like 35GM.

Could easily swap the 20-70mm with 50/1.2.

I guess the issue then is the second body....
Just hang it on the side using a PD capture clip :ROFLMAO:
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I have a 10l Tenba Solstice and it fitted the A1, 70-200mm, 35mm f1.8 and Samyang 50mm f1.4 last time, but it was pretty tight at that IIRC.
 
snerkler said:
I get what you're saying, but I don't want the hassle of carrying the heavy (reatively speaking) gear around to spoil the enjoyment of the weekend. I don't think I'll see any difference in IQ between the 70-200mm f2.8 and Tamron 70-300mm though for the panning shots as I mentioned above. The shots with primes I'll likely see more of a difference, but it's not as though they're going to be award winning shots anyway ;)
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But when you get the chance of a driver shot in the paddock or a helmet on top of a car you might miss the 70-200!!! I don't envy the weight, for a long day in a busy environment, and I would probably just go two bodies and two lenses and live with missing the odd shot but the FOMO may be strong with you..........
 
Mr Perceptive said:
But when you get the chance of a driver shot in the paddock or a helmet on top of a car you might miss the 70-200!!! I don't envy the weight, for a long day in a busy environment, and I would probably just go two bodies and two lenses and live with missing the odd shot but the FOMO may be strong with you..........
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I'm getting less FOMO these days, plus this is an event I'm going to with my wife so it won't be as photography orientated as when I go to race events at Silverstone and Donington etc (y)
 
snerkler said:
I'm getting less FOMO these days, plus this is an event I'm going to with my wife so it won't be as photography orientated as when I go to race events at Silverstone and Donington etc (y)
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Well get her to carry some of the gear then..............................................
 
snerkler said:
I get what you're saying, but I don't want the hassle of carrying the heavy (reatively speaking) gear around to spoil the enjoyment of the weekend. I don't think I'll see any difference in IQ between the 70-200mm f2.8 and Tamron 70-300mm though for the panning shots as I mentioned above. The shots with primes I'll likely see more of a difference, but it's not as though they're going to be award winning shots anyway ;)
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It's a tricky balance especially since for me it's not just carrying the weight but also how long I'll be carrying it for, some fairly lightweight setups can get surprisingly uncomfortable after carrying them all day. I bought another 150-600mm lens last year primarily for motorsport thinking I wouldn't need to carry it for long periods of time although didn't get a chance to use it, I suspect it will end up much the same as the previous one and only occasionally used since it's too bulky for me.
 
Yep had one ,looks like Flickr/ smug mug are on the case
 
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