The Sony A7R cameras do indeed have a higher rated shutter, and also sell in significantly lower volumes as they are more expensive models - the A7iii camera out 6 months before the first FF Canon or Nikon mirrorless cameras, and was one of the top selling models globally for several years - the greater number of failure reports are simply a case of there being a lot more cameras sold, which is then amplified by the internet - more failure reports means more people posting it has a 'high failure rate', so more people read and repost this, leading to yet more reposts.
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At Goodwood this weekend I twice had the recurrence of the issue with my A1 where it wouldn’t turn on after swapping batteries 
I’ve labelled the batteries and will see if it’s one particular battery that’s causing it as that appeared to be the issue last time despite Sony changing the motherboard twice.
I’ve labelled the batteries and will see if it’s one particular battery that’s causing it as that appeared to be the issue last time despite Sony changing the motherboard twice.
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Oh look... A new RX1rIII...
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And it has a 35mm f2 and an EVF!!!!!
But 60+mp just isn't for me and that'll bump the price up too. I haven't read everything or Googled but I do hope there is a non r version but sadly even that may well be waaaay out of what I'm willing to pay.
Anyone interested?
MAGNIFICENT NEWS: Sony announced the new RX1rIII | sonyalpharumors
Holy Moly! Sony officially announced the new Sony RX1rIII. You can preorder it tomorrow at BHphoto, Amazon, Adorama, Fotokoch, Fotoerhardt, Calumet, WexUK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wwnIp7tLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65e-OiT2-98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n5f6cceCLM...
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And it has a 35mm f2 and an EVF!!!!!
But 60+mp just isn't for me and that'll bump the price up too. I haven't read everything or Googled but I do hope there is a non r version but sadly even that may well be waaaay out of what I'm willing to pay.Anyone interested?
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I've been thinking of getting an A7cII and I might but at the mo photography has taken a back seat. Of course I can't fit a compact AF 35mm f2 to an A7cII because there isn't one but with my 35mm f2.8 or 45mm f2.5 it'd be a fraction of the price of the RX1rIII and would take my 35mm f1.8 or any of my other lenses when I don't mind the larger combination.
I don't think that new RX1 has a tilting screen does it? That is something I want to keep.
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Fixed 3.0" 2.36m-dot touchscreen for AF tracking and intuitive control.
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I think having got used to a tilting screen I can't see myself buying a main camera without one. Used with eye detect to shoot at other than eye level they are IMO a great thing to have.
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Oh it’s light though, lighter than my A7Cii body only… though it’s also GFX100RF money, and if you’re spending that kinda money a Q3 has got to be an option too.
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Looks like Sony have borrowed Canons Cripple Hammer with the EVF resolution, at the expected price point this is IMO a bit of a blunder. Even the X100VI has a higher resolution and the GFX100RF and Q3 have double the resolution.
On the plus side the AF will be notably quicker than the competition
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The original RX1 (I'm assuming the new camera is a similar size/weight) is a remarkably small camera and I think smaller than most people realise. I have a friend with a Q3 and side by side, the Leica absolutely dwarfs the Sony and closer to the size of an A7C with lens (I haven't had them side by side) whereas the RX1 body is only slightly bigger than the RX100 series. Portability wise it's the RX1 lens that lets it down a bit since it sticks out a lot which means it doesn't really fit in a pocket but it's still a remarkably small package, I always saw Q2/Q3 comparisons but I was really surprised how big the Leica is.
Funnily enough I was thinking much the same and I think it would be possible by taking the internals of an A7C and putting them into the smaller RX1 body. It seems likely Sony were aiming squarely at the Leica Q3 and while the Sony is a lot smaller I don't think people are prepared to pay a premium for Sony cameras as they will for Leicas, from what I can see the RX1RII was certainly not a strong seller and the new version isn't really doing anything much different apart from a big bump in the price. Sony are clearly an incredibly innovative company (arguably I feel the most innovative camera company over the last 15 years or so), this camera though feels more like a me too effort.
I am disappointed because as much as I like the original RX1R it's an old camera now and it does show it, the AF is basic, it doesn't support features like wireless transfer, it's still on micro USB etc. I've toyed with the idea of an A7C series camera but they're a lot bigger than the RX1 even with a small lens and doesn't offer enough of a size/weight saving over a standard FE mount body.
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I don't think it could be at X100 price point as it's ff and the Fuji isn't and the Sony has afaik a nice lens whereas the Fuji has just (IMO) a passable lens with perhaps the most awful mf action I've ever used on a camera. I have to say that I was impressed with the X100s/f evf though, lovely. The A7c range is imo more of a X100 competitor but of course you have to buy your own lens.
Sony seem to be noticeably slipping in the sales rankings and I have to say that there's little to nothing tempt me. I'm sort of tempted to the A7cII but I have questions over the evf and how the shutter is switched from evf to mechanical which I think is manually done rather than automatic as with my aging old Panasonics. Apart from vlogging cameras I think Sony are if not asleep then nodding off at the wheel for plm.
As mentioned above, I think Sony have become addicted to the cripple hammer. I know I can be obsessive but to me there seems to be something wrong with every camera Sony makes.
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I have the Panny GX80 and GX9 which I think are similar in size to the A7cII and I do find them noticeably smaller than the A7III and easier to get in and out of a bag as they don't have the SLR hump. If this is enough of a saving is a personal decision.
Just on people being willing to pay a premium for Leica. Those rebadged Panasonics at inflated prices imo tell the whole story. Madness.
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I'll confess to buying one of them as well (D-Lux8 100th Anniversary Edtition) for my wife. I agree that its inflated compared with the Panasonic, but it has a few things going for it (over the Panasonic):- better residuals, the Leica User-Interface (now similar to the Q3) and most importantly for my wife Leica Fotos integration, which is probably the best camera to phone/ipad integration from any camera manufacturer.I agree its a lot of bread but YOLO
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Yeah I understand why the Sony is more expensive than the X100VI, all I was saying was that if it was in a similar price bracket I could have been tempted. For what it’s worth I think the Fuji is overpriced for what it is, but at least that’s a popular camera. RX1 sales have not been great.
I don’t think the A9III and A1 II are crippled, except for the price of the A1 II
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Sony things that annoy me...
Removal of physical controls, I'm still smarting over the removal of the af/mf/exposure lock button and switch, 1/8,000 max mechanical shutter speed, can't include lower ISO's in auto ISO, from what I've read - less than cutting edge evf's. That might be it Sony won't care about me as I only buy a camera every 15 years or so but if things carry on as they are I might be priced out of the new camera market.
Removal of physical controls, I'm still smarting over the removal of the af/mf/exposure lock button and switch, 1/8,000 max mechanical shutter speed, can't include lower ISO's in auto ISO, from what I've read - less than cutting edge evf's. That might be it
Sony won't care about me as I only buy a camera every 15 years or so but if things carry on as they are I might be priced out of the new camera market.
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Finally worked my way through 1000's of photos from Goodwood, started a thread here and MANY photos from the event can be found on my Flickr.
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I agree with Snerkler below I think the Fuji overpriced for what it is and Sony have an electronics advantage compared to Fuji as well, looking at the price of the A7CII they're already in that ballpark. Also amusingly the the RX1RIII price puts it in the same price bracket as the Fuji GFX100RF with the bigger MF sensor.
Much smaller sensors though so not comparable to the FF sensors, I would say both solutions are big for what they offer compared to the 1in compacts.
I thought the same about the Fuji although I'm not criticising them for it because clearly they can however as you've mentioned, Sony can't. I'm not aware of any sales figures for the RX1 mk1 and mk2 but I can't believe they were anything other that a complete disaster. There's a small number of mk1's for sale second hand but very few mk2's plus you almost never seen either camera mentioned online. I suspect the high price of the mk3 is to make up for low sales numbers however I think it's narrows down the potential market even further.
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I wasn't comparing sensors I was looking at camera body bulk, hence the size comparison not an IQ comparison. I've never handled an A7c of any vintage but I don't think they're too far away from the bulk of my Panasonic cameras which are for me noticeably smaller (and therefore I assume the A7cII will be too) than my A7 and A7III because of the lack of an evf hump. This might not be enough of a difference for some but for me it is noticeable and welcome.
For me even MFT is a noticeable improvement over 1" sensors. I wouldn't be happy with a 1" camera as my best camera, I use MFT in three scenarios, when I want the smallest "quality" camera and lens package, when I want as quiet and discrete kit as possible but still with better than 1" IQ and when I'm using a lens I don't have a ff equivalent of, like the 45-150mm or 100-400mm. TBH I only take my 1" camera out when I don't want to take anything else but still think I might want to take a picture.
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I must admit I didn't actually look at the price of the RX1R III, I just assumed it would be similar to the RX1R II launch price. What are Sony smoking?????? £4199
I know!!
X100VI £1,599
RX1R III £4,199
GFX100RF £4,699
Q3 £5,550
Q3 43 £5,900
We've not had the 'annual' price increase on the Leica models yet, if we do expect them to increase £250-£300
The Q3/Q3 43 have just about reached the end of their waiting list period, they are reasonably available as is the GFX100RF.
There is a definite hole still in the 'premium' compact single fixed lens camera market around the £3K mark.
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Leica you expect to be expensive, but Sony are more of a 'mainstream' brand. I know it's not as compact but you can buy the A7cR and 35mm f1.8 for £1k less than the RX1R III, and the A7cR with 35mm f1.4 GM for the same price. I'm not sure what I'm missing????
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There's already a few GFX100RF around at the £3750 mark @trevorbray has been trying to get me to buy one, he's learning at last......let someone else make the expensive mistake
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There's already a few GFX100RF around at the £3750 mark @trevorbray has been trying to get me to buy one, he's learning at last......let someone else make the expensive mistake
It's a good hobby getting other people to spend their money - obviously I'm schizophrenic, because I can persaude myself to do it
The GFX100RF is a nice camera, its a little visually challenging, and IMO the lens isn't fast enough at the price point, but it makes up for it in GFX goodness and a lovely big and bright EVF
There's usually options in any manufacturers range where an ILC body + lens can compete with a fixed lens camera. Those with FOMO will opt for the ILC solutions, as they love carrying buckets of lenses with them. But I feel there are a lot of benefits with a single lens solution, the decision making process is easier, and with limited options you work for the best image.
I'm shortly going to be 'down' to 4 digital cameras, 3 are fixed lens, and the other I only have one lens for!!!
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And the cripple hammer seems to be well used with the RX1Riii
No weather sealing (at least it’s not mentioned) - all it’s competition have WR (though it does cost extra with the X100VI)
The hood is an optional extra - at this price point that is really tight on Sony’s part
Don’t think this will be a big seller - at least not in European markets.
No weather sealing (at least it’s not mentioned) - all it’s competition have WR (though it does cost extra with the X100VI)
The hood is an optional extra - at this price point that is really tight on Sony’s part
Don’t think this will be a big seller - at least not in European markets.
The US tariffs may be having a global impact (at least in the Sony costing analysis): higher US price = lower US sales = lower total global sales = increased per unit production + r&d costs.
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There's as much r&d gone into rxriii as the reading glasses from poundland
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Cripple Hammer implies they had something better in mind.
This seems to a product purely developed by Sony's marketing department - "everyone is buying fixed lens cameras at crazy prices, let's get one out too with least possible effort without bothering anyone with some brain cells".
( no offence to anyone working in marketing, I have done so myself in the past but seriously, get your homework marked by someone that's not their mum)
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I don't find the difference on the A7C series noticeable at all since they can't fit anywhere in my bags the A9 can't while smaller cameras like the RX100 or RX1 can.
In terms of MFT, I think you're making the wrong comparison to a 1in camera. Even the smallest MFT camera is far larger than an RX100 series never mind something that has a 200mm range, I use the 1in camera because I don't have the space for an MFT camera. The RX100 will easily fit in a pocket and offers a staggering 24-200mm range so the realistic comparison is to a phone and clearly the Sony will easily win that one. If I have space for an MFT camera than I have space for an FF camera so again, there's no point in using an MFT camera. I did like MFT initially but the market has moved and it's failed to offer the size advantage it initially promised, it's surprising how large the cameras are even compared to the APS-C cameras.
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I think the comparison to an ILC camera was more as a reference point price wise and I do absolutely understand your preference for fixed lens cameras. When I first bought the RX1R the 35mm lens seemed incredibly limiting but I found it quickly quite freeing since I didn't need to debate which lens or lenses I wanted to take, I could just take the camera and work around it. I was quite excited to see a new RX1 but while the price is an immediate deal breaker, the lack of any real improvements is a further disappointment and doesn't correct the few issues I have with the original model. As you've mentioned there's no weather sealing I've seen mentioned nor image stabilisation either.
Exactly....I must admit I didn't actually look at the price of the RX1R III, I just assumed it would be similar to the RX1R II launch price. What are Sony smoking?????? £4199
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No weather sealing and no lens hood for £4199???? Sony really are taking the mickey with this.
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£150 for the lens hood seems utterly absurd as well.
You're not wrong but Sony's accounting team will still have some costs that will need to be amortized on a per unit basis.
Still suspect this will sell very well.
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I must admit I didn't actually look at the price of the RX1R III, I just assumed it would be similar to the RX1R II launch price. What are Sony smoking?????? £4199
I thought that was almost a pleasant surprise as I thought it was going to be around £5k. If I was having my arm twisted I'd take that at £1k cheaper over the Q3 every time.
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I see it a bit like Casio vs Rolex, Casio make some very nice watches and have great tech giving better function than Rolex but they’re not in the same bracket.
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There is still a point to MFT if you choose the kit wisely and play to its strengths but we have to make our own minds up when looking at IQ, bulk and weight. All I can say is that sometimes I choose MFT over my A7 kit. A GX80 plus the teeny tiny 14mm f2.5 is IMO a lovely thing, a Gx the size of an A7 and a kit lens the size of the old Sony 28-70mm is less lovely IMO and I do struggle to see the point of combinations like that. MFT + a small prime of a long zoom make the most sense to me.
1" is a bit meh for me. The small ones are better than a phone and not as fiddly but still a bit fiddly and can't match mft for IQ and the bigger ones... well, might as well take something else really. I can see how and why some love their 1" sensor cameras and good luck to them.
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Oooh. Rolex. I'll go off topic just a bit
Big scandal at the mo as it might just be that they're not as Swiss made as some would like us believe. One look at the sales numbers should raise an eyebrow. I can't see myself spending £6k+ on an explorer but an NH35 powered lookalike for £60 will do me fine I can't see myself ever owning a Leica. I'm not into brands and although we'll have to wait and see I wouldn't be surprised if the Sony is the better camera in a couple of areas and if those areas matter it's £1k cheaper.
I wouldn't critisise anyone spending thousands on a camera and I've told you you should treat yourself and you should and at least you don't have to buy more lenses for this RX1rIII but at mo I can't bring myself to spend that much on camera kit. Not in one go. 100 film era 50's and 28's at £50 a piece would tempt me more
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Can pick up a used Q3 for about the same price as a new RX1R iii
I know which I'd choose
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You're completely missing the point...a 1in camera is when you don't have space for an MFT camera, it doesn't matter how much better you think a an MFT camera is because it will not fit. I don't choose to use a 1in sensor camera and find the sensor limiting however it's by a country mile the best image quality and performance you're going to get in a package that size, I can easily carry it in pockets that a MFT or similar camera will not fit. I could make endless claims about how much better my FF cameras are than a 1in sensor which is just as pointless as comparing an RX100 with an MFT camera because like the MFT camera, the FF camera will not fit either. I genuinely don't think you understand how small the 1in cameras are otherwise you wouldn't keep making these flawed comparisons, I've used the smallest micro 4/3 cameras with the 14mm and 20mm but they dwarf an RX100.
In terms of use, the RX100 is also significantly better than a phone, both in handling and image quality. The phone handling is clumsy and generally needs two hands but the RX100 can be easily used one handed with full access to the controls from one hand. Also the difference from a phone to the RX100 is a much, much larger jump from the 1in series to the MFT which you claim to be more significant which should make you appreciate how much better the 1in sensor actually is.
I suspect most others do too especially given the Leica Q series has been very successful and the cheaper RX1 series were not.Can pick up a used Q3 for about the same price as a new RX1R iii
I know which I'd choose
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