The Fabulous Fuji X owners thread

Mr Perceptive said:
If your are keeping the X-T4 then I would also try the X100VI, it's got a lot of advantages over the X-E5+23mm F2.8

1) OVF and bigger higgher resolution EVF
2) F2 Lens
3) Weather Sealing
4) Built In ND
5) Built In Flash
6) Leaf Shutter (near silent and easier to shoot handheld at slower shutter speeds)
7) Digital TC
8) More function buttons if thats your thing
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I loaned the X100VI a couple of months ago and really liked it... then the X-T5 and really liked that. I'm still considering that too, although I wouldn't be able to get it from Very so my 12 months interest free credit plan would need a rethink. The way I'm thinking at the moment is that for less money than the X100, I can get everything I need plus the extra flexibility of being able to change the lens. I'll see how I feel when I've tried the E5.
 
skullfunkerry said:
I loaned the X100VI a couple of months ago and really liked it... then the X-T5 and really liked that. I'm still considering that too, although I wouldn't be able to get it from Very so my 12 months interest free credit plan would need a rethink. The way I'm thinking at the moment is that for less money than the X100, I can get everything I need plus the extra flexibility of being able to change the lens. I'll see how I feel when I've tried the E5.
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Wex/Clifton usually have 6 months buy now pay later schemes :whistle:

IMO However you play it your head an X-E series camera with a pancake lens never stands up to the equivalent X100 series camera. The X100 series cameras always seem better than the sum of their parts. There is a huge element of fun/enjoyment using an X100 series camera and that shouldn't be underestimated. And despite the slight difference in price an X100VI is much more featured stacked than the X-E5+XF28mm F2.8.

I loved my X100 series cameras (and I still have an original X100), there is something about them that gets under your skin. If I wasn't in the fortunate position of being able to afford a Leica Q3, I'd be back with an X100 series camera straight away.
 
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Mr Perceptive said:
The EVF though is a backwards step, whilst the body is a bit smaller, the EVF is lower resolution than the X-T4/5 and is lower magnification. One of the best things about bigger EVFs is that they are bigger EVFs!! Going back to a smaller pokey (less resolution) one is definitely a retrograde step, and for me would be a deal breaker.
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Mr Perceptive said:
Wex/Clifton usually have 6 months buy now pay later schemes :whistle:

IMO However you play it your head an X-E series camera with a pancake lens never stands up to the equivalent X100 series camera. The X100 series cameras always seem better than the sum of their parts. There is a huge element of fun/enjoyment using an X100 series camera and that shouldn't be underestimated. And despite the slight difference in price an X100VI is much more featured stacked than the X-E5+XF28mm F2.8.

I loved my X100 series cameras (and I still have an original X100), there is something about them that gets under your skin. If I wasn't in the fortunate position of being able to afford a Leica Q3, I'd be back with an X100 series camera straight away.
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Yes, agreed regarding the EVF. I guess because I'm comparing it with something older anyway, the XE5 is generally going to be "better"

I use the X100f a lot, as you say, mainly for the fun/enjoyment of using it. It has a few quirks but I'm 2½ years in with it now. Already! And I've still not switched to a Vi :)
 
LeeRatters said:
I use the X100f a lot, as you say, mainly for the fun/enjoyment of using it. It has a few quirks but I'm 2½ years in with it now. Already! And I've still not switched to a Vi :)
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Unless you are shooting close up at F2 or want WR I would see very little reason to upgrade

I loved my X100F, I feel that some of my b est images were taken with that camera, and in fact the only two images I have nationally published (Amateur Photographer) were taken by my X100F when I was featured in their Secondhand Hall Of Fame (18/7/20 issue!!)

All this X100 talk has made me decide to take the original X100 on a #MerseyMeetUp photowalk in Liverpool on Saturday. Its an analogue photowalk but I usually take a digital camera as well, so it will be the X100 and a Rolleiflex 2.8E (unfortunately my recently serviced Plaubel Makina 670 has had to go back to be looked at again as something is not quite right with the metering). Battery now on charge.........
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Unless you are shooting close up at F2 or want WR I would see very little reason to upgrade

I loved my X100F, I feel that some of my b est images were taken with that camera, and in fact the only two images I have nationally published (Amateur Photographer) were taken by my X100F when I was featured in their Secondhand Hall Of Fame (18/7/20 issue!!)

All this X100 talk has made me decide to take the original X100 on a #MerseyMeetUp photowalk in Liverpool on Saturday. Its an analogue photowalk but I usually take a digital camera as well, so it will be the X100 and a Rolleiflex 2.8E (unfortunately my recently serviced Plaubel Makina 670 has had to go back to be looked at again as something is not quite right with the metering). Battery now on charge.........
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Cool :) Nice bit of nostalgic inspiration :)

The X100f, now we have the puppy, spends more of its time downstairs on the kitchen table. I'm not sure I posted all of them in here (they are all on Flickr/ IG) but the weekends photos with it I did enjoy - and it's another plus note with the built in flash.

I tend to shoot in ES but I have flash at as permanently "on" so a Q press, nudge to MS and good to go with TTL.
 
imattersuk said:
I've had both, get your purse out, it's much better, the sensor is superb.
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:ROFLMAO:

The X100f is nicely worn in now :) It fits my hands like a glove :)

The better face* AF I think would be the main plus points to me and maybe the tilt screen.

* does it have eye detect?

I'd say the better high ISO performance but I always add grain anyway.... And I'm not really into the extra film simulation stuff.
 
LeeRatters said:
:ROFLMAO:

The X100f is nicely worn in now :) It fits my hands like a glove :)

The better face* AF I think would be the main plus points to me and maybe the tilt screen.

* does it have eye detect?

I'd say the better high ISO performance but I always add grain anyway.... And I'm not really into the extra film simulation stuff.
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Eye detect yes, AF is on a different level, screen is great, but the sensor is the big upgrade.
 
LeeRatters said:
:ROFLMAO:

The X100f is nicely worn in now :) It fits my hands like a glove :)

The better face* AF I think would be the main plus points to me and maybe the tilt screen.

* does it have eye detect?

I'd say the better high ISO performance but I always add grain anyway.... And I'm not really into the extra film simulation stuff.
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It has eye AF and various different subject detection, one I very much like is motorcycles ;)

There are other strong reasons to upgrade imo:-

IBIS, which also helps when using the inbuilt ND filter
Tilt screen
42mp sensor
 
snerkler said:
It has eye AF and various different subject detection, one I very much like is motorcycles ;)

There are other strong reasons to upgrade imo:-

IBIS, which also helps when using the inbuilt ND filter
Tilt screen
42mp sensor
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Forgot about the IBIS, you're right !!!

Where's Lee gone, looking down the back of the sofa for his purse ? :ROFLMAO:
 
imattersuk said:
Eye detect yes, AF is on a different level, screen is great, but the sensor is the big upgrade.
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snerkler said:
It has eye AF and various different subject detection, one I very much like is motorcycles ;)

There are other strong reasons to upgrade imo:-

IBIS, which also helps when using the inbuilt ND filter
Tilt screen
42mp sensor
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But..... I don't really want bigger files... And IBIS I can take it or leave it - I've only used it a couple of times on the A7Riii

Eye AF would be the main upgrade for me, followed by the screen.
 
LeeRatters said:
But..... I don't really want bigger files... And IBIS I can take it or leave it - I've only used it a couple of times on the A7Riii

Eye AF would be the main upgrade for me, followed by the screen.
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I really value IBIS, I like to shoot at base ISO as much as possible and it’s also great for waterfalls etc. The RX1R II didn’t have it and I did end up with some slightly blurry shots at times when it never crossed my mind camera shake would be an issue.

The X100VI is one of only three cameras I’ve used that’s been able to detect Betty’s eyes (the other two being the A7RV and A1 II)
 
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Peter123 said:
Exactly the same weight as the Nikon full frame 400mm 4.5. Fuji list price is £300 cheaper.
I would expect APS C lenses to be lighter.
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I don't fully understand the design of these things but isn't a 400mm f4.5 a 400mm f4.5 regardless of sensor size, obviously on the Fuji it gives you the equivalence of a 600mm lens FOV but the physics of the lens are the same? I understand the image circle can be smaller, but surely if it needs to let in the same amount of light then it has to have the same/similar physical dimensions? :thinking:

Hopefully someone with more knowledge can clear it up (y)
 
snerkler said:
I don't fully understand the design of these things but isn't a 400mm f4.5 a 400mm f4.5 regardless of sensor size, obviously on the Fuji it gives you the equivalence of a 600mm lens FOV but the physics of the lens are the same? I understand the image circle can be smaller, but surely if it needs to let in the same amount of light then it has to have the same/similar physical dimensions? :thinking:

Hopefully someone with more knowledge can clear it up (y)
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You are correct. f4.5 is an expression of focal length divided by aperture. In this case it's 400mm focal length and a ~88mm aperture (entrance pupil), so it physically can't be smaller than that.

Entrance pupil determines a minimum size, but doesn't fully determine a lens. A full frame lens has to cover a larger image circle, so more/larger elements are needed to correct aberrations out to the edges.
At 35mm f1.4, the entrance pupil is only 25mm, so the complexity and extra elements needed to project the image to a full frame circle are a larger fraction of the lenses total size - That's why Fuji's 35mm 1.4 is so much smaller than any full frame equivalent.

At 400mm F4.5, the entrance pupil of ~88mm requires a very large front element (and many others before you get to the rear of the optical train). By comparison, a few extra correcting elements to go from APSC to full frame image circles barely adds to the size/weight of the lens.

So basically, the longer the focal length, the less difference you'll see between systems, at least in terms of size and weight.
 
jimmyjamjojo said:
You are correct. f4.5 is an expression of focal length divided by aperture. In this case it's 400mm focal length and a ~88mm aperture (entrance pupil), so it physically can't be smaller than that.

Entrance pupil determines a minimum size, but doesn't fully determine a lens. A full frame lens has to cover a larger image circle, so more/larger elements are needed to correct aberrations out to the edges.
At 35mm f1.4, the entrance pupil is only 25mm, so the complexity and extra elements needed to project the image to a full frame circle are a larger fraction of the lenses total size - That's why Fuji's 35mm 1.4 is so much smaller than any full frame equivalent.

At 400mm F4.5, the entrance pupil of ~88mm requires a very large front element (and many others before you get to the rear of the optical train). By comparison, a few extra correcting elements to go from APSC to full frame image circles barely adds to the size/weight of the lens.

So basically, the longer the focal length, the less difference you'll see between systems, at least in terms of size and weight.
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Interesting thanks. I did know the bit in your first sentence but not the rest (y)
 
The biggest problem I have with any camera is just not using it.

I am a hermit, who travels very little, spends alot of time at work or at home, and when I do got out socially it is normally the same 3 places with a shopping list!

I started a photo project in the hope it might get me out of the house, moving further than 5 miles from home and a purpose for using my Fuji, then I discovered I can take the photos with my phone and achieve exactly the same thing. Perhaps it was the wrong project :sneaky:

So off the Fuji went to MPB.

IF I ever buy a camera again it will be another X100VI (which would be my 3rd VI :rolleyes:)
 
bl0at3r said:
The biggest problem I have with any camera is just not using it.

I am a hermit, who travels very little, spends alot of time at work or at home, and when I do got out socially it is normally the same 3 places with a shopping list!

I started a photo project in the hope it might get me out of the house, moving further than 5 miles from home and a purpose for using my Fuji, then I discovered I can take the photos with my phone and achieve exactly the same thing. Perhaps it was the wrong project :sneaky:

So off the Fuji went to MPB.

IF I ever buy a camera again it will be another X100VI (which would be my 3rd VI :rolleyes:)
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I can't do phone photography. Obviously I do take some photos with it, but not "photography" the photos - the closest I get is something for IG Stories etc

I would rather use an old digicam than my phone I think!
 
bl0at3r said:
The biggest problem I have with any camera is just not using it.

I am a hermit, who travels very little, spends alot of time at work or at home, and when I do got out socially it is normally the same 3 places with a shopping list!

I started a photo project in the hope it might get me out of the house, moving further than 5 miles from home and a purpose for using my Fuji, then I discovered I can take the photos with my phone and achieve exactly the same thing. Perhaps it was the wrong project :sneaky:

So off the Fuji went to MPB.

IF I ever buy a camera again it will be another X100VI (which would be my 3rd VI :rolleyes:)
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You'll not be disappointed with an "iPhone 17 Pro" Alan, maybe we'll see some of your pic's on the iPhone thread. :)
 
bl0at3r said:
The biggest problem I have with any camera is just not using it.

I am a hermit, who travels very little, spends alot of time at work or at home, and when I do got out socially it is normally the same 3 places with a shopping list!

I started a photo project in the hope it might get me out of the house, moving further than 5 miles from home and a purpose for using my Fuji, then I discovered I can take the photos with my phone and achieve exactly the same thing. Perhaps it was the wrong project :sneaky:

So off the Fuji went to MPB.

IF I ever buy a camera again it will be another X100VI (which would be my 3rd VI :rolleyes:)
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Funny. That IF sounds just like WHEN to me….jus sayin,,,
 
LeeRatters said:
I can't do phone photography. Obviously I do take some photos with it, but not "photography" the photos - the closest I get is something for IG Stories etc

I would rather use an old digicam than my phone I think!
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Ditto, although I don’t bother with IG stories and all that malarky ;)
G.K.Jnr. said:
You'll not be disappointed with an "iPhone 17 Pro" Alan, maybe we'll see some of your pic's on the iPhone thread. :)
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I think in terms of image quality modern phones can produce some really nice images, especially shooting raw (apple tend to over process jpeg imo and there’s no way to rein it back), however for many like myself they’re just not nice to use as a camera and you somehow feel detached from it. Of course they’re great as you have them all the time and for that unexpected snap shot, but as a dedicated camera for enthusiasts I don’t think they’re the best choice. YMMV (y)
 
I agree, an iPhone is not a 'proper' camera, but to take photos of parades of shops for my project and the odd snap it is perfect - in and out, always with me, quick stop, snap, back on my way, no bulky bag or additional gear required.

The 48MP Apple ProRAW and the lenses on the 17 Pro are giving me perfectly acceptable photos (won't post them here as it is a Fuji thread, but take a look at Flickr or my project website - both in my sig if you want) but will of course never be the same as a larger sensor dedicated enthusiast camera and I'm not pretending they will (y)
 
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bl0at3r said:
I agree, an iPhone is not a 'proper' camera, but to take photos of parades of shops for my project and the odd snap it is perfect - in and out, always with me, quick stop, snap, back on my way, no bulky bag or additional gear required.

The 48MP Apple ProRAW and the lenses on the 17 Pro are giving me perfectly acceptable photos (won't post them here as it is a Fuji thread, but take a look at Flickr or my project website - both in my sig if you want) but will of course never be the same as a larger sensor dedicated enthusiast camera and I'm not pretending they will (y)
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As I said the photos can be perfectly adequate, it's the user experience that's an issue for me (y)
 
jimmyjamjojo said:
I know I definitely prefer some mechanical aspect to my cameras. I know in reality it makes (almost) no difference, but I need the thunk of a shutter, otherwise it just feels like taking a screenshot.
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I shoot with the electronic shutter on my A1 II, and I can't hear the leaf shutter on my X100VI so it doesn't bother me that much. However, when I shoot with my 35mm OM1 the shutter sound and feel is very satisfying ;)
 
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