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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rus-Italy-existing-illnesses-study-finds.html
This supports what the experts have been saying all along.
What's that exactly?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rus-Italy-existing-illnesses-study-finds.html
This supports what the experts have been saying all along.
That the people that are unfortunately dying are the ones with one or more underlying health conditionsWhat's that exactly?
What's that exactly?
Nobody realised anything was going on until late Dec (earlier case counts were added retrospectively). By then, the virus had probably been circulating for over a month. State officials clamped down on early reports when they should have been clamping down on the outbreak and misleading information was released suggesting poor human to human transmission. Vital weeks were lost in Jan, but strong measures started to get things under control in Feb (the apparent leap in a day is an artefact of changing the case definition, when they added probable cases not yet confirmed by molecular testing).So where does the beginning end and the afterwards start, in their first reported month, China had over 58k reported infections and more deaths than the UK currently has reported infections and we are only one month in ourselves. It is only in their second month after quite a big leap in one day, that China's situation has started to improve.
So they were 3 months in not two before they got hold of it. How is that better than everywhere else being just one month in?Nobody realised anything was going on until late Dec (earlier case counts were added retrospectively). By then, the virus had probably been circulating for over a month. State officials clamped down on early reports when they should have been clamping down on the outbreak and misleading information was released suggesting poor human to human transmission. Vital weeks were lost in Jan, but strong measures started to get things under control in Feb (the apparent leap in a day is an artefact of changing the case definition, when they added probable cases not yet confirmed by molecular testing).
I honestly can’t see any way round it bar a italy/Spain/ France type enforced lockdown
I hope it happens sooner rather than later too.
Yesterday morning the roads were pretty deserted.
Yesterday evening (7ish) the traffic was back to normal.
Took wife to hospital for op at 7 this morning and traffic as usual.
Not too much sign of a lockdown .
It's coming.....within days I'd bet.I honestly can’t see any way round it bar a italy/Spain/ France type enforced lockdown
Hope everything went well Brian.Yesterday morning the roads were pretty deserted.
Yesterday evening (7ish) the traffic was back to normal.
Took wife to hospital for op at 7 this morning and traffic as usual.
Not too much sign of a lockdown .
But it shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone given the history of pandemics and the recent SARS, MERS, Ebola etc. And vast increase in global movements of people — and I don’t mean migrants but business people and holidaymakers .This is worth watching:-
Covid 19 was not a surprise to everyone
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-gates-warned-us-covid-19-like-pandemic-watch-ted-talk-2015/
And some encouraging thoughts from Bill Gates
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bil...for-coronavirus-could-open-in-6-10-weeks.html
According to figures on Sky, 137 have died out of 2689 gives a ration of just over 5% of those confirmed positive tests, far too many.
The situation has changed since my initial post some days ago and I will agree that the chances now are much higher of death if you catch the virus than they were, "better*" than winning the lottery, it is only right that everyone should take precautions against this virus.
*Better in statistical terms only, please do not infere anything else in the term "better".
Worst bit for me was the "evacuation" beforehand
Hope you get good results.
Me too - on both counts! First try didn't clear properly so resorted to the "Picolax" alternative - which again didn't complete the job(bie!) properly so ended up being double dosed. Holy schytte!!! Nipped out a couple of polyps (all cleared by path lab) so no need for any more now.
Nobody knew this virus even existed before late Dec, when a cluster of cases was documented and reported. No one ever catches the first case of an emerging virus - it was only when a cluster of cases presented that it became clear something was going on. I doubt other countries would have done better in December, and the characterisation of the virus was completed incredibly quickly, within days of the first report. China can however be seriously criticised for its response to the discovery in early January, which was mired in secrecy and bureaucracy. By late January they were doing what was necessary, more effectively than most other countries, and their measures were having a big impact by mid February.So they were 3 months in not two before they got hold of it. How is that better than everywhere else being just one month in?
I wouldn't say allowing people to leave the country so the virus could spread was doing what was necessary. Odd they managed to contain it to one area of there own country and allow it to spread around the world.Nobody knew this virus even existed before late Dec, when a cluster of cases was documented and reported. No one ever catches the first case of an emerging virus - it was only when a cluster of cases presented that it became clear something was going on. I doubt other countries would have done better in December, and the characterisation of the virus was completed incredibly quickly, within days of the first report. China can however be seriously criticised for its response to the discovery in early January, which was mired in secrecy and bureaucracy. By late January they were doing what was necessary, more effectively than most other countries, and their measures were having a big impact by mid February.
I expect it was some sort of sinister conspiracy activated by the Huawei 5G signal.I wouldn't say allowing people to leave the country so the virus could spread was doing what was necessary. Odd they managed to contain it to one area of there own country and allow it to spread around the world.
The French Health Ministry has hinted that France may well stop people arriving from countires who haven't had lockdowns as this would likely reduce the effectiveness of the France's actions.I honestly can’t see any way round it bar a italy/Spain/ France type enforced lockdown
Undoubtedly true but the nhs has been run down below what’s necessary without a crisis. Also plans could have been made prior to it happening rather than making up as you go along. Of course that would require an efficient and valued Civil Service. we know that Parliamentary estate is not fit for purpose too (because MPs say so) but they haven’t done anything to bring it up to date etc . p***-ups and breweries come to mind .It wasn't really a surprise, but it's extremely expensive to keep medical facilities on standby for decades to cope with a crisis that may not come. A bit liike having a large standing army because you KNOW that at some stage there'll be another war & someone will try to invade.
"Hope for the best but plan for the worst" is not something that the political class has ever really understood. They seem to prefer "hope that when things go wrong it'll be some other b*****'s problem". We used to have an independent civil service to balance that but the last 40 years has seen that backstop lost.Undoubtedly true but the nhs has been run down below what’s necessary without a crisis.
Your words not mine.I expect it was some sort of sinister conspiracy activated by the Huawei 5G signal.
This is also now the third zoonotic coronavirus we've been hit with this century, and we've known for a while that there are large reservoirs of potential spillover viruses in bats. We might have taken the hint after SARS and MERS (MERS is still active) and put resources into developing specific antivirals that target their common features (the viral polymerase, which is relatively well conserved between these viruses, has been suggested as a promising target).
Nice little summary of the 'most promising' drugs that might work against the virus:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/19/prospects-treatment-coronavirus-drugs-vaccines
Really interesting thanks for sharingIn the meantime whilst researchers try to develop antivirals a good start would be to sort out eating habits of some Chinese..seemingly the so-called elite. Most ordinary Chinese don't eat wild animals or use them for so-called traditional medicines. Probably because they can't afford them. I think this latest outbreak maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back and a concerted effort ,this time, will be made to eradicate the practice.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/...-wildlife-consumption-ban-intl-hnk/index.html
Talking of camels...lol..In August 2013 researchers found MERS antibodies in camels in Oman but not the actual virus. As you'll know, MERS originated in Saudi Arabia and the exact virus was found in one of the bats that was tested that lived just 7 miles from the first MERS victim.
I wondered why it's bats that harbour so many lethal viruses and according to this article, dated February 11th this year it's their ..quote 'uniquely fierce immune system'
https://newatlas.com/science/why-deadly-viral-coronavirus-outbreaks-originate-bats/
Next question is why do they have such a powereful immune system. I found this article. Answer. 'An awesome survival mechanism'
https://www.sciencealert.com/deadly...off-with-bats-here-s-why-they-re-patient-zero
Nice little summary of the 'most promising' drugs that might work against the virus:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/19/prospects-treatment-coronavirus-drugs-vaccines
The oldies in my (or rather my wife's family) are being a right royal pain in the ass.Been out shopping this morning, what suprised me was the amount of old people around - lots of over 70s, they are the ones at risk but not that bothered!
Forgotten my school boy french ,que
I think you guys have got the wrong procedure? She had the colonoscopy last year and I'm too much of a gentleman to say how the 'evacuation' went. Well, that and she would kill me if she found out I'd blabbed on a forum. I told her at the time she'd laugh about it one day, but that day hasn't come yet
The oldies in my (or rather my wife's family) are being a right royal pain in the ass.
My wife's nan needed some shopping so we offered to get what she needed and drop it in to her, but she insisted she had to go out. If we didn't take her she was going to go on the bus.
So my wife offered to take her to Iceland for the early opening for the elderly. But no, she has to go to Salisbury (which at the time had no special hours for the elderly), and go to homebase to pick up some paint, and the garden centre.
She simply will not listen to advice. If we tell her we wont take her she will just use public transport and with my wife's granddad in poor, so we are pushed into taking her where she wants to go to at least stop her using the bus.
In the mean time we are all staying indoors, working from home and anything else to limit the risk of catching and then passing anything on to the olds. But it's ok, she went through worse in the war don't you know, despite being born in 1945. :banghead: