Topaz software discussion thread. Post any queries, problems, discussions points, etc here!

yep, I did have both closed.
I will check the filter section menu
I was told by the installer to "close" PS when it was already closed,
I just restarted the PC before installing, and it auto attached to the filter drop down.
No idea if it attaches to PS and lightroom though as I don't use the latter.
 
Just purchased Topaz Sharpen to use on 2013 mac and Capture1 21. The edits in sharpen look good but they are not being saved back to capture1. After the processing is finished the Sharpen ai screen doesn't close automatically and go back to Capture1 like it does with Denoise. Any advice would be much appreciated
 
Just purchased Topaz Sharpen to use on 2013 mac and Capture1 21. The edits in sharpen look good but they are not being saved back to capture1. After the processing is finished the Sharpen ai screen doesn't close automatically and go back to Capture1 like it does with Denoise. Any advice would be much appreciated
.... I no longer use Topaz anything because I much prefer my installed alternatives.

My base camp RAW converter and local adjustments software, I only shoot RAW, is Capture One (C1) and has been for a long time since Apple stopped developing Aperture. I used to use a 2013 iMac.

If you haven't done so already, check in C1 Preferences that any Topaz listed apps are selected as active plug-ins but I seem to recall that unsatisfactorily some were and some weren't!

The latest version of Capture One is launched today 9th December and it might do what's called a 'Round Robin' trip to and from Topaz but I don't know. Topaz wouldn't load to and from C1 via Photoshop either.

So, my very much preferred alternative and my new workflow is C1 base camp > Edit With... > ON1 2022 NoNoise+Sharpen > Effects > Export to a size recipe > C1 TIFF which has streamlined my workflow and I don't need Photoshop in my post-processing workflow any more.

I don't do any sharpening or noise reduction in Capture One or in any other software because the 2022 ON1 performs both perfectly and much more time efficiently. As I now shoot Olympus m4/3 I stay well away from high ISO settings anyway. ON1 RAW has made a big leap forward with version 2022 and now competes directly with both Capture One and Lightroom.

All these images in my Flickr album (with EXIF shown) are post-processed in my workflow described above, so judge for yourself what you think :


I won't go back to Topaz and particularly disliked all the tedious and constant updates - It's just an AI vehicle.

HTH
 
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.... I no longer use Topaz anything because I much prefer my installed alternatives.

My base camp RAW converter and local adjustments software, I only shoot RAW, is Capture One (C1) and has been for a long time since Apple stopped developing Aperture. I used to use a 2013 iMac.

If you haven't done so already, check in C1 Preferences that any Topaz listed apps are selected as active plug-ins but I seem to recall that unsatisfactorily some were and some weren't!

The latest version of Capture One is launched today 9th December and it might do what's called a 'Round Robin' trip to and from Topaz but I don't know. Topaz wouldn't load to and from C1 via Photoshop either.

So, my very much preferred alternative and my new workflow is C1 base camp > Edit With... > ON1 2022 NoNoise+Sharpen > Effects > Export to a size recipe > C1 TIFF which has streamlined my workflow and I don't need Photoshop in my post-processing workflow any more.

I don't do any sharpening or noise reduction in Capture One or in any other software because the 2022 ON1 performs both perfectly and much more time efficiently. As I now shoot Olympus m4/3 I stay well away from high ISO settings anyway. ON1 RAW has made a big leap forward with version 2022 and now competes directly with both Capture One and Lightroom.

All these images in my Flickr album (with EXIF shown) are post-processed in my workflow described above, so judge for yourself what you think :


I won't go back to Topaz and particularly disliked all the tedious and constant updates - It's just an AI vehicle.

HTH

Thanks for the reply Robin, firstly a fantastic set of images in your Flickr album. I am beginning to agree with your opinion of Topaz and considering getting a refund. I have had denoise for a long time and have just recently had problems with version 3.3.3 update and spent a considerable amount of time with Topaz help, even having a Topaz specialist take over my screen. He couldn't solve the problem and said revert back to an older version [3.3.2] and I will let you know when the problem is sorted. This was the end of October, Still haven't heard back from them.
 
.... I no longer use Topaz anything because I much prefer my installed alternatives.

My base camp RAW converter and local adjustments software, I only shoot RAW, is Capture One (C1) and has been for a long time since Apple stopped developing Aperture. I used to use a 2013 iMac.

If you haven't done so already, check in C1 Preferences that any Topaz listed apps are selected as active plug-ins but I seem to recall that unsatisfactorily some were and some weren't!

The latest version of Capture One is launched today 9th December and it might do what's called a 'Round Robin' trip to and from Topaz but I don't know. Topaz wouldn't load to and from C1 via Photoshop either.

So, my very much preferred alternative and my new workflow is C1 base camp > Edit With... > ON1 2022 NoNoise+Sharpen > Effects > Export to a size recipe > C1 TIFF which has streamlined my workflow and I don't need Photoshop in my post-processing workflow any more.

I don't do any sharpening or noise reduction in Capture One or in any other software because the 2022 ON1 performs both perfectly and much more time efficiently. As I now shoot Olympus m4/3 I stay well away from high ISO settings anyway. ON1 RAW has made a big leap forward with version 2022 and now competes directly with both Capture One and Lightroom.

All these images in my Flickr album (with EXIF shown) are post-processed in my workflow described above, so judge for yourself what you think :


I won't go back to Topaz and particularly disliked all the tedious and constant updates - It's just an AI vehicle.

HTH
Agree 100%, have used Topaz for many years and stayed when they kicked us in the teeth by adding AI to the end of the software and said it was new so Life Time updates did not apply. Now use On1 2022, much easier to work in the one place and even allows you to take noise from RAW images inside the one program. Russ.
 
I definetly don’t like the latest version of sharpen Ai . I know there’s a way to revert to the previous version but not sure how to ..
 
Agree 100%, have used Topaz for many years and stayed when they kicked us in the teeth by adding AI to the end of the software and said it was new so Life Time updates did not apply. Now use On1 2022, much easier to work in the one place and even allows you to take noise from RAW images inside the one program. Russ
The AI software was new. You did not need to buy it and could have remained with the old version if you wished. Perhaps you think software can be developed for free. I have worked as a software developer and software project manager and it takes many skilled person/hours. These developers are well paid and, if you want to utilise their skills, it will cost you.

Dave
 
The AI software was new. You did not need to buy it and could have remained with the old version if you wished. Perhaps you think software can be developed for free. I have worked as a software developer and software project manager and it takes many skilled person/hours. These developers are well paid and, if you want to utilise their skills, it will cost you.

Dave
.... No-one has suggested software is developed without a cost.

Topaz has been very clever in its timing and marketing but personally I don't find that its products are the best in their field as they claim. Most users don't mind paying for products which work well and with ease of use.
 
.... No-one has suggested software is developed without a cost.

Topaz has been very clever in its timing and marketing but personally I don't find that its products are the best in their field as they claim. Most users don't mind paying for products which work well and with ease of use.
You are entitled to your opinion but I have been in digital editing for at least 25 years and I have found the Topaz Plug-ins to be best in the field. Independent reviews back this up but I have not personally tested all of their rivals but many. I still use Nik Silver Efex Pro for most B&W conversions though not all but none of the other Nik Plug-ins. What is wrong with updates which add to the features as most have done. I have nothing against Capture 1 (though I use LR) which has a good reputation but if it does not smoothly support Topaz Plug-ins, surely it is for capture 1 to sort out.

Dave
 
You are entitled to your opinion but I have been in digital editing for at least 25 years and I have found the Topaz Plug-ins to be best in the field. Independent reviews back this up but I have not personally tested all of their rivals but many. I still use Nik Silver Efex Pro for most B&W conversions though not all but none of the other Nik Plug-ins. What is wrong with updates which add to the features as most have done. I have nothing against Capture 1 (though I use LR) which has a good reputation but if it does not smoothly support Topaz Plug-ins, surely it is for capture 1 to sort out.

Dave
.... Indeed I am entitled to my opinions, also based on years of experience of what suits me.

We each find the workflow which suits us best individually and gives us the most pleasure to use without constant frustration. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect camera nor the perfect lens, there is not the perfect software. As you well know, technology never stands still and there will always be incompatibilities between the products of independent developers and it is never worth holding your breath waiting for them to get resolved.
 
Till recently I was using both de.noise and sharpen Ai , the latter I feel does not perform as well in its latest iteration . But de.noise does as long as you manually override it’s choices ..
The main p.p I use now is L/R which I feel now really does a stunning job since the latest updates a few weeks ago .. some. Of the recent owl shots I have posted would a few months ago have ended up in the bin due to having to shoot directly into the sun . So put the new L/R and topaz de.noise together and it’s all you need
 
Like this @Stuart Philpott - Please excuse mobile phone image :)

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Les
 
I have been using Topaz for many years so have most of the Plug-ins though I actually use only a few regularly. I now use DeNoise AI, Mask AI, Sharpen AI regularly but BW Effects, Glow2, Impression 2, Texture Effects much less often. A few years ago I mainly just used Clarity and Adjust. Having almost stopped using my FF DSLR and now using a ML half frame Sony, I now find I use higher ISO and use Denoise which was not necessary before.

Dave


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the latest de.noise update is taking forever to download .looks like a total re-install as its no longer showing in filters.. can’t get it work at all now been trying to re.install it for over half a hour ,about time these pillocks realised we don’t all have a degree in computer science grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
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now sorted thanks to my lad knowing exactly how to do it .. rest assured my Mac nearly became a windows launched model . straight through the window into the garden
 
the latest de.noise update is taking forever to download .looks like a total re-install as its no longer showing in filters.. can’t get it work at all now been trying to re.install it for over half a hour ,about time these pillocks realised we don’t all have a degree in computer science grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
You did not notice that it was a large file 1.7Gb but it took only a couple on minutes on my old slow PC. Easy to install and was available for use immediately, stand alone, from LR and from PS so I assume the problems you experienced were just Mac related.

Dave
 
no idea Dave it took ages to download initially and we have very high speed FTTP anyway all sorted now
 
Closing photoshop was the problem I believe
 
Closing photoshop was the problem I believe
You had me worried for a moment as I had not closed PS today since installing the Topaz update; it closed fine. So I guess you meant having PS closed when installing Topaz. It is normal to have all related S/W closed when installing Topaz Plug-ins but the installer will normally stop and invite you to close them if open. Today I updated Topaz first before running LR and PS so this issue did not occur.

Dave
 
Just had a e.mail with the latest sharpen Ai update . Will wait till my lads awake and get him to do it .. not touching it myself
 
Just done the Sharpen AI update to 3.3.5. Decided to delete the existing version first then do a complete new install using the link provided in the mail.
All worked OK this time. Ran the stand alone app first with no problems. Then started Photoshop and tried using the Filter that also worked fine. Topaz do say they have changed the installer and updates require a completely fresh full install.
 
Just had a e.mail with the latest sharpen Ai update . Will wait till my lads awake and get him to do it .. not touching it myself
Up until now Sharpen would not work on my Mac with capture one. Downloaded the new version direct from the email this morning with the new installer and it works well.
 
well just had the update done for me . the lad says no major problems encountered in the update ..

BUT I have just tried it out on a few shots and IMHO its to sharp giving a almost cartoon like character to sharpened images . for my type of work I think I'll just stick with de-noise Ai which seems to be working far better when standard mode is employed . I dont really like the way sharpen has moved and doubt whether I will renew it when due

slight update .. just tried again limiting it to : out of focus-very noisy and it worked a bit better ... I think the main problem is without being big headed is most of my shots are already fairly sharp
 
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well just had the update done for me . the lad says no major problems encountered in the update ..

BUT I have just tried it out on a few shots and IMHO its to sharp giving a almost cartoon like character to sharpened images . for my type of work I think I'll just stick with de-noise Ai which seems to be working far better when standard mode is employed . I dont really like the way sharpen has moved and doubt whether I will renew it when due
I have to agree. I think sharpen has gone too far.
 
I have nothing against Capture 1 (though I use LR) which has a good reputation but if it does not smoothly support Topaz Plug-ins, surely it is for capture 1 to sort out.

Dave
Isn't it up to the Plug-in provider to make sure it works with the program it's being plugged into, however, with some exceptions, hardly any programs work as "plugins" with C1. Including Topaz.

The round tripping from C1 is pretty simple, and I've round tripped from C1 to many programs over the years I've used it. C1 creates a TIFF (or PSD) beside the raw file and then opens the TIFF in the other program for editing. The other program then saves over the C1 created TIFF that C1 already has in it's database.

So, with a couple of exceptions, where proper C1 Plugins have been written by the third party program provider, e.g. Helicon Focus has a C1 plugin written by Helicon Focus, C1 only round trips to programs that work as stand alone programs, which C1 calls as an external editor.

The problems seem to occur when the external program makes some changes to the way it opens and closes files which prevents C1 using it as an external editor. Topaz programs seems they fairly regularly change the way they do this, and aren't consistent across their programs. So all will be working smoothly with C1, until, after an update, one of the Topaz programs will suddenly stop working, usually to be fixed at the next point release.

DXO Nik 4, I seem to remember had the same issue after an upgrade and broke the round tripping from C1 with some of their programs, but was fixed with a point release.

Now a days, I only ever round trip from C1 to PS, and use these plugins as actual plugins on a layer in PS, so manage to avoid these issues :)
 
I have to agree. I think sharpen has gone too far.
I do not understand. You have adjustments so can reduce the effects, if you wish. Generally with any sharpening, if you can see that it is very sharp, then it is probably too much.

Dave
 
I do not understand. You have adjustments so can reduce the effects, if you wish. Generally with any sharpening, if you can see that it is very sharp, then it is probably too much.

Dave
Ah but your not using mega sharp olympus lenses like me and wornish. LOL
 
Just took the "special offer" to cover upgrades to all of my Topaz AI software until 2023.

Dave
 
I've usually found Topaz customer support to be responsive and helpful.
However, I submitted a query to them about 10 days ago and apart from the usual "Thank you for contacting Topaz.." etc., I have not yet had a response from them, so I'll repeat my query here, in case someone has experienced the same problem.

I am using Topaz Studio 2 on a Windows 10 system (v21H2) Recently updated.
The video card is an AMD R560, running the latest driver software, v21.1.2


If I attempt to use the “Flare” tool in Studio 2, the cursor becomes a small, opaque green square.
This makes precise positioning of the flare centre very difficult.

I winder if anyone else has experienced this problem, and what the solution might be?
 
I'm trialling the Topaz Sharpen AI at the moment. Quite impressed. It's not perfect and on some images, I get strange artefacts. Most of the time though, it worked really well.

This is an image of a Russet-naped Woodrail I took a little while ago. It was shot at quite a low shutter speed of 1/320th under low light so there was some motion blur. The software has corrected this quite well, making it a keeper.

The original full-frame image.

woodrail01.jpg


Before applying Topaz Sharpen AI. Motion blur is clearly visible.

woodrail02.jpg


After correction.

woodrail03.jpg
 
I wonder if anyone could help me please? I purchased Topaz Sharpen in the Autumn, but due to health issues and other stuff, I’ve only just got round to using it. I took a photo of a Little Grebe in the wind, so it’s rather blurred, but worth keeping as a record of where it was seen. So I decided it was the perfect shot to experiment with. I transferred it straight into Topaz as a JPG, and fiddled around until I got something I was happy with. So far so good. I should add at this point that although my version is due to be updated, given what I’ve read, I thought I would wait for a while!
Anyway, I hit save, having filled in the parameters jpg, save in same place, topaz suffix, and off it went. I have done this several times, but every time it gets to the end of the processing bars, then up comes an error message about being unable to process.
As you can imagine I stopped and turned off my laptop, before it joined the birds in the garden!
So as I said at the beginning, if anyone could help, I would be very grateful
Many thanks, Marcia
 
I would perhaps try updating and see if that makes a difference.
Thank you for the suggestion Des. Unfortunately I can’t update either. It gets seconds away from the end of the install, then reports an error…..and I’ve tried it twice. Maybe I should try reinstalling Topaz??
 
What operating system are you running?

I would uninstall the existing version and then do a download of the latest version.
 
Thank you David.
I’m running Windows 11. When I used the trial version I was on Windows 10, and all was well. I will def do a reinstall after lunch, and see if that helps!
 
For those using Topaz with CaptureOne 22, how is the round-tripping working now, is it fixed? Sharpen and define apps in my Nik Collection 3 (purchased 2013 before it went free) has finally died in Mac OS Monterey, and weighing up buying Nik 4 and Topaz. Quite disappointed how the various Nik apps are not being updated in parallel, or at least their UI - very different look and feel is a bit jarring across their suite. So tempted to move to Topaz, provided the work flow with C1 round trip is functioning correctly now.

Also interested in opinions on Denoise versus Sharpen. Playing with the trial versions, it seems the Venn diagram of these two apps has a lot of cross over in the final output. Is it worth buying both or better to go with one (and which one?). I do like the idea of tackling both in the same app if possible. Thanks for your experiences.
 
Also interested in opinions on Denoise versus Sharpen. Playing with the trial versions, it seems the Venn diagram of these two apps has a lot of cross over in the final output. Is it worth buying both or better to go with one (and which one?). I do like the idea of tackling both in the same app if possible. Thanks for your experiences.
Difficult one to answer. I bought both anyway as I have been so pleased with other Topaz modules. If my images are taken with a high ISO and thus clearly noisy, I use Denoise anyway. I will usually use Sharpen AI after this particularly to improve motion blur. However if the images as taken at lower ISO and no obvious noise, I will just use Sharpen AI using some of the Denoise feature built in if necessary. For routine pics (i.e. family snaps etc, not for competitions), I may just Use AI Clear from Topaz Studio. I think AI Clear is also incorporated in Denoise AI.
 
For those using Topaz with CaptureOne 22, how is the round-tripping working now, is it fixed? Sharpen and define apps in my Nik Collection 3 (purchased 2013 before it went free) has finally died in Mac OS Monterey, and weighing up buying Nik 4 and Topaz. Quite disappointed how the various Nik apps are not being updated in parallel, or at least their UI - very different look and feel is a bit jarring across their suite. So tempted to move to Topaz, provided the work flow with C1 round trip is functioning correctly now.
The release notes for the latest version of Sharpen AI say that they have fixed the C1 round trip problem.

I've only been half following the C1/Topaz round tripping issue but there does seem to be a bit of a cycle with Topaz breaking and then fixing, the C1 round tripping at different releases.

I round trip from C1 to PS, and run Topaz when I'm in PS, so direct round tripping from C1 isn't something I do.
 
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