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I read a posting earlier asking what other people carry their camera gear in when travelling by air. Not wanting to hijack ( no pun ) the other thread I thought i would post what extremes I have to go through to get on a plane and pass the scrutiny of the check in desk at airports.

Flying to various parts of the world as a diver and underwater photographer/videographer always has an issue with carry on luggage. Excluding any of my dive kit, my camera rigs which consist of:

2 x canon 350D's
1 x 5Dmk2
G9 Canon
Sony pc1000e video
Underwater houysing for 350D
Underwater housing for PC1000e
2 x strobes for 350D
Focus light for 350D
2 x kowalski 1250 speed video lights for PC1000e
8" fisheye dome port for 350D housing
macro port for 350D housing
Strobe arms
60mm Canon
10-17 Tokina
17 - 40L Canon
70 - 300 DO USM Canon
10 - 22 Canon
100mm Canon
Portable hard drives
Filters
Dioptres
Sony Vaio TX series laptop

In total probably best part of £15,000. There is no way on earth that I am going to be checking this in. I have had to claim a few years ago as i had some damage caused to my personal items after i had checked them at check in. My insurer informed me that as i was not in posession of the items at the time my insurance was not valid and i did not have any form of cover from them, they suggested i made contact with the carrier who i flew with, which i did do to be told that they were not responsible and that i should contact my own insurers. I told them that i had already done this and they were not in the slightest interested. I then contacted the company that handle the baggage once it has been checked in, after many frustrating emails, telephone calls and hand written letters i eventually received some token of compensation. I had 3 x Giorgio Armani shirts ruined - 1 x Hugo Boss t shirt ruined - 2 x LaCoste t shirts ruined. Total value of these items new was £850. The clothes were no more than 2 months old when they were damaged. The cargo handling company policy was not to replace old for old or old for new or anything similar, there policy was to pay by weight. I cant remember the exact maximum allowance per kilo but they took an educated guess at what these items would have weighed and sent me a cheque for £25. I had receipts for these items, which they never asked to see, even though i offered them. I dont know where these people buy there clothes to be able to replace 3 shirts and 3 t shirts for £25.

Anyway back to the OP topic and camera gear. Whilst all of this was going on I decided to start reading the small print of all of the companys involved regarding lost damaged items. ( my home contents insurers which i pay for worldwide cover for at a premium - the airlines - my holiday insurance - the cargo handling company ) All of the take no responsabilty for electrical items that are within your checked baggage. So from that day on i wear everything. I have an oversized photography vest with nice deep pockets, combat trousers with nice deep pockets - a jacket with plent of storage space. Mt DSLR housing and dome port fits inside of my hand luggage bag and takes up all of my allowance. My video housing and macro port is in another bag which my wife uses and this takes up all of her allowance. ( there is still a lot of spave inside of these bags though ) I have the 2 x 350D bodies in 2 of the pockets on my vest, external hard drives in a vest pocket also. 5DMK2 over my shoulder with the heaviest lens on it. 60mm and tokina 10 -17 in my combat trousers - laptop in a large pocket that is around the back of the vest - my 2 x strobes in my jacket pocket. G9 in combat trousers - my wife has the 2 video lights in here handbag. All of the other items are hidden where ever we can hide them. It is a lot of hassle to have to do this as it weighs a hell of a lot. From memory 20kilos. Once we have checked in we just go and sit down and get all of the gear out and then put it in our hand luggage bag. touch wood we have never been stopped at the boarding gate. I travel to indonesia and asia a lot and excess baggage for these carriers are roughly £38 per kilo per flight, so if i was to put all of this inside a peli case and my dive kit and clothes inside another bag i would be somewhere in the region of 30 kilos over. At £38 per kilo over each way, my 2 hobbys start to get even more expensive.

And yes I do get some very bizzar looks from fellow passengers when i am in the queue at check in. Luckily most of the planes i fly on are full of divers and the other passengers are usually up to the same kind of thing as me.

Stew
 
If anything gets broken then it is the baggage company's responsabilty to pay for a replacement. The law states that if the company is responsible for your articles then they must take reasonable care and regardless of company policy MUST pay for a replacement. If they won't, off to the small claims court!
 
have you ever considered not taking so much stuff as when you go abroad the company you fly with needs to hire a different plane for you and your kit even when nobody else is on it is a bit of a squeeze
 
have you ever considered not taking so much stuff as when you go abroad the company you fly with needs to hire a diffrant plane so that they can fill its cargo hold with your stuff.

The kit list does seem a bit extreme...maybe it's time to streamline?

3 SLRs does seem a bit overkill - why not find an underwater housing for the 5D? Just need the one then!

3 lenses all covering pretty much the same focal length - again... ??

Canon G9 - again... ??

2 macro lenses - ???

Fair enough if you have your reasons... but 4 cameras does shout out over kill! You can only hold a maximum of 2 at any one time, and you only have one underwater housing..!
 
the 350D is used underwater and i would hate to have paid say £10-12k to travel all the way to somewhere like Galapagos - Cocos - Komodo - Raja Ampat only to flood my housing, so a back up is really a need not a luxury. The 5DII is for topside only as i dont have a housing or 2nd body to use it under water. The G9 is always in an underwater housing by my mask and fins for that moment when sods law kicks in and i have my 350D housing open and a whale, pod of dolphins or something similar passes the boat i am on. The PC1000 is a video camera and is my wifes. As i have said all of this gear fits inside of my carryon bag once i have cleared check in, so the facecious remark by Duffman has no value.

As for it being insured once it has been checked in, have YOU ever tried to claim from them, I HAVE.

Stew
 
The kit list does seem a bit extreme...maybe it's time to streamline?

3 SLRs does seem a bit overkill - why not find an underwater housing for the 5D? Just need the one then!

3 lenses all covering pretty much the same focal length - again... ??

The 10-17mm Tokina is a fish eye and not what I use for topside, the 17-40 is my choice for topside The 70-300mm is only used for topside. The 10-22 is incase i flood my housing with the fisheye inside.

Canon G9 - again... ??

2 macro lenses - ???

The 60mm and the 100mm are both macro lenses. Both take similar shots on land, underwater things are a little different. if there is swell in the water and sand is suspended in the water then the 100mm will be not as good as the 60mm as the strobes will be lighting up the suspended particles.

Fair enough if you have your reasons... but 4 cameras does shout out over kill! You can only hold a maximum of 2 at any one time, and you only have one underwater housing..!

No I only ever have 1 camera in my hand at any given time.

I have lost count of the amount of DSLR's I have seen killed by salt water whilst on dive boats. I have also lost count of the amount of people I have seen have their dream holiday ruined by not having a back up rig.

Stew
 
If anything gets broken then it is the baggage company's responsabilty to pay for a replacement. The law states that if the company is responsible for your articles then they must take reasonable care and regardless of company policy MUST pay for a replacement. If they won't, off to the small claims court!

Could you point me to the Law that you quote here please, as i would be very interested to read such an article. Please could you let me have a link to where you have read such a law. You clearly state that it is the law, and as I have been told different from many companies I would like to read this document and then go back to the mentioned companies with the knowledge of this law. If this is not a law and you have no knowledge on this matter i would ask you to not post things within my threads that you know nothing about.

Stew
 
I don't think that applies, especially with airlines, and I think it states in their rules (I am not sure whether this is the Warsaw Convention or not), but their liability is limited to a certain cost per kilogram, and that will certainly not be sufficient for camera equipment.

This used to be on the back of printed airline tickets, but I can't remember the last time I had one of those issued by an airline.
 
Since reading that post I have goooogled loads of airline baggage policies and all of the results were pretty much the same.

" does not assume liability for the loss, damage or delay to certain specific items, including: animals, antiques, documents, electronic equipment, film, jewelry, keys, manuscripts, medication, money, paintings, photographs, photographic equipment, samples, securities, silverware, watches, or fragile, irreplaceable or perishable items. "

It would be nice for Kingbling11 to come back and say where he has seen this.

Stew
 
I think the OP is just trying to help other people travelling with kit, not sure why Duffman got his knickers in a twist about it. It is photography forum after all!
 
If they won't, off to the small claims court

Since the small claims court deals with UK law and we're talking about international travel, I'm not sure you'd have much luck there.

For travel within the EU you might be onto something. Maybe.

I'd be interested to be pointed towards the relevant statute or precedent, this would be useful information for all of us that travel with our kit.

Stew, I have this rather comical image of you literally "wearing" your whole kit, and having to take it all out and put it back in after the security scans. And the looks you must get - comical, yet serious at the same time! ;)
 
Since the small claims court deals with UK law and we're talking about international travel, I'm not sure you'd have much luck there.

For travel within the EU you might be onto something. Maybe.

I'd be interested to be pointed towards the relevant statute or precedent, this would be useful information for all of us that travel with our kit.

Stew, I have this rather comical image of you literally "wearing" your whole kit, and having to take it all out and put it back in after the security scans. And the looks you must get - comical, yet serious at the same time! ;)


It is all inside of my carry on before i go through except my laptop and the 5dII which is on its strap over my shoulder.. Although i do have to get it all out after it has been through the scanner. It is usually the camera housings that raiase suspiscions and the extremely powerful video lights, because of their builtin batteries and circuitry. It is a pain, as once they see it is all underwater photography gear they then want to spend the next 30 minutes chatting about where i have been and if i dive with sharks. lol. i dont usually mind chatting to them, but it is a pain when i have connecting flights to get.

Stew
 
Just getting my Lowepro Nova 160 through Gatwick and onto a Virgin flight to St Lucia was hard enough. Camera out, Lens off, other lens out and caps off, all pockets opened and emptied, rain hood out, hotel shower cap taken out and questions asked as to why it was in there etc. Still, at least I was reasonably confident that nobody managed to get any water or aftershave onto the flight that could put me in peril.
Out of interest, do you ever pop into Dixons in the airport with all you stuff in your pockets, because if they decided to frisk you, it could take days:D
 
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