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im doing some pictures of kids (14/15/16+) and their horses.... i have insurance....

whats the deal with putting their pics (faces or non) on a website??

do i need parental (written?) consent?

im extremly wary of doing any pics of kids full stop. just with current laws it scares me haha

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As far as I am aware from previous threads on here as long as you have the right to take the photo in the first place you should have no issues whatsoever.
 
If you take a picture, you own the copyright of it.
You don't need parental consent. You don't need a model release form as they're not legally binding in UK.
So long as the images of the children are not of a sexual nature and the image was taken on public land or private land that you have permission to take images on, you can do what you like with the image.
 
i have a contact process on my website asking for images to be removed. yeah its not legally necessary but its polite and youre not going to sell prints to those parents anyway.

they need to prove to me beyond doubt who they are in relation to the subject though.
 
absolutely.

i was thnking of asking permission off the parents? especially if under 14 tbh.....

I actually now know the people inquestion, however i know people canturn very quickly.


and no the pics are just horse riding in a paddock/field :)
 
no requirements but if you want to you can.

I don't bother not that it comes up often, but will politely take down anything I'm asked unless i love the shot
 
Who owns the paddock/field?
 
who owns it - the yard owner!....

and i do know him so do i need permission off him to do photos?? the subjects are unrelated just board their horses there?...
 
Well it is private ground and they could argue that they expected some privacy at that location.

If you think it's going to be an issue just go up and ask them. If they would rather not have the pic taken then don't take it, they're not going to buy one off you anyway.

Sometimes we can be too cautious, it might be they are dying for you to ask them!
 
Well I have literally hundreds of pictures of kids and their horses on a website. The only requests I get are for prints and the only complaints are "why isn't there a better one of me" :)
 
MagicMynx said:
If you take a picture, you own the copyright of it.
You don't need parental consent. You don't need a model release form as they're not legally binding in UK.
So long as the images of the children are not of a sexual nature and the image was taken on public land or private land that you have permission to take images on, you can do what you like with the image.
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That. You've taken the pictures, if you did it from public property and they were riding in an open field, they have no expectation of privacy and you can do what you like with the image.
 
i thought that was the case in general but very wary about working with kids.

i didnt pla to put any pictures of peoples faces on my web, however i need to as the photos without (just horses or dogs) dont make them stand out.

thanks everyone :)
 
suze23 said:
i thought that was the case in general but very wary about working with kids.

i didnt pla to put any pictures of peoples faces on my web, however i need to as the photos without (just horses or dogs) dont make them stand out.

thanks everyone :)
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you'll be fine just take it down if someone asks
 
MagicMynx said:
If you take a picture, you own the copyright of it.
You don't need parental consent. You don't need a model release form as they're not legally binding in UK.
So long as the images of the children are not of a sexual nature and the image was taken on public land or private land that you have permission to take images on, you can do what you like with the image.
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I have been very wary of taking shots of kids in public place and generally don't as I thought I needed parent's consent. Maybe I'll take a few more now.
Occassionally I come across kids doing something so interesting i take the shot and ask the adult they are with if Ok. If they say no I just bin shot.
Happened about a week ago while in Chester. Some ( about a dozen) young teenage girls were out walking the streets, late a/noon with dolls strapped to baby carriers (some sort of parenting thing I expect). I fired off a couple of shots and a woman fell upon me crying "Child protection. You can't take pix.' Couldn't be ar**d so just deleted files.
had I read this I think I'd have kept them.
 
Mark Anthony said:
I'm a bit shocked at people saying you can do anything you like with them, i think the data protection act thinks otherwise, and i think model releases are very valid in this country, i'm amazed to read alot of the replies on this thread.
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Model release aren't valid or needed the UK - there is some sense in having one in some situations to avoid this type of mis understanding. You might also think that about the data protcetion act, but the ICO has issued alot of guidance about this matter, and they certainly haven't said what you think, although there is some draft guidance if you're a professional photographer.
 
Well without wanting to argue the toss i was involved in public cctv before starting out so i'm pretty clue'd up on the data protection act, whereas i agree sometimes it goes a bit far, to say things like, i'll take it down unless i really like it, and you can do what you like with it, are a bit naive.
I've had to pass tests on the data protection act and have read quite alot about it from a photography angle as i shoot mainly children and i've never seen anything other than if photographing people, especially minors, if they can be recognised then consent should be given before the image is displayed anywhere that can be viewed by general public i.e a website.
I also personally know photographers that have had images rejected by stock agencies due to having no model release for a person featured in the image.
If anyone feels different then i'm not going to argue, but personally for the sake of a bit of paperwork i'd protect myself every single time.
 
I too was involved in CCTV for almost 20 years. CCTV is not treated the same as photography in many regards - try calling the police and complain that someone is following you with a CCTV camera for one.

Stock agencies want to sell the images and for certain uses they want (rather than really need) a model release to cover themselves. As usual it all depends on what the pictures are used for. I seriously doubt the tabloids have their paps obtain model releases for the offspring of celebrities.
 
Clearly not needed, as much of it can be accounted as people's right of access to news etc, and a totally different area to the subject asked about in this thread, though even paps can get into trouble.

Many of the cctv guidelines can be attributed to photography, images are after all images, regardless of the type of camera used to obtain them.

I find it very hard to believe that if someone, although extremely unlikely, was to push and take a case to its limits, a court would back the photographer over the complainant.
 
Thats as maybe - but the ICO have issued several guidelines regarding photography, so it may or may not be the case that CCTV guidelines are relevant, the specific photography ones more so - mostly they have been intended to clear up the kind of misconception you're under.
 
Mark Anthony said:
Well each to their own, if its all the same though i'll carry on obtaining parental consent when shooting and displaying children though.
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of course its the same, and I'll carry on wrting a model release into each and every wedding contract, but the reason for doing so is to prevent any understanding issues, not because of any legal need to do so
 
Mark Anthony said:
I'm a bit shocked at people saying you can do anything you like with them, i think the data protection act thinks otherwise, and i think model releases are very valid in this country, i'm amazed to read alot of the replies on this thread.
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Your half right.. However I dont think people are saying that.. your correct as in you cant use the pictures commercialy and you would need a model release for that.. otherwise you can do what you want with them and you can take what pics you want without asking permision.. thats fact.
 
KIPAX said:
Your half right.. However I dont think people are saying that.. your correct as in you cant use the pictures commercialy and you would need a model release for that.. otherwise you can do what you want with them and you can take what pics you want without asking permision.. thats fact.
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So if someone wants to put them on their website, and that website advertises their photographic skills, is that not commercial use?

I must be reading the wrong info, i've literally just read something to convince myself i wasn't going insane, it said, and i quote : although you may own the copyright to portraits, the subjects do have some rights regarding where the images appear. As such, most photographers require customers to sign a model release in order to protect themselves from further action.

It does go on a bit so i won't go on.

I would like to add though, i didn't say model releases are a legal requirement, i said they are valid, as a way of protecting yourself.
 
Mark Anthony said:
So if someone wants to put them on their website, and that website advertises their photographic skills, is that not commercial use?
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You seem to be reading things the wrong way.. I take pics of childrens sports.. I put them on my website and sell the pictures of them.. thats not commercial use.. I dont need release forms or permission from parents.

If I put the pictures in an advert for childrens toys then thats commercial use. I would need release forms



Mark Anthony said:
I must be reading the wrong info,
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you seem to be.. esp when you start on with data protection :)
 
Mark Anthony said:
Well as said previously, for the sake of a 2 min form i'll carry on covering my back.
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and i will carry on asking permission when i dont need it to cover my back... i was responding to your other comments and missinformation which you now seem to understand... i was amazed at your orig post TBH
 
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