Upgrade from 450D

[Fenman55]

Never was much on introductions.....so straight in at the deep end!!

The time has come to upgrade from my 450D to 60D?.....7D??.....break the bank but probably dreaming 5D mk11???

What would you all advise, I do a fair amount of general photography and a lot of cricket photography in the summer.

Am I better off trying to locate a decent 2nd hand 7D than considering a new 60D?

Am I better of by "biteing the bullet" and going the whole hog for a 5D?

I have humed and aghed[sic] over this for so long and read everything that is available. I will be buying body only as I am ok with my lens, at present, I am aware I will have to do away with one of my EF-S lens with the 5D.

I haven't yet had any of them yet in my hands, which may help make the decision.

I would appreciate any help in this matter [if you arn't allready fed up with people asking the same question].

As a matter of interest what would you people consider to be the best Canon shop within sensible driving distance of Peterborough?

 

[Dexy101]

Welcome to the forums Martin.

I went from 450 to 550 to 5Dmk2 and im currently going down the route of selling the 5dmk2 and going to a 7d for my needs.

I love the MK2 but really wont be needing it too much after the new year.

Bite the bullet, 5DMKII is what id go for again.

 

[farrance]

Welcome to the forums!

I would go to a 60D. It has the same sensor as the 7D but not the insane price tag.

However, the 5Dmk2 will probably be all the camera you'll ever need. It's my next camera jumping from a 500D but this isn't until the future.

 

[andyred]

Hi and welcome.

A good friend of mine earlier this year upgraded from his 450D to a 60D and loves it. He went for the upgrade as he wanted a faster fps, bigger body and the swivel screen was a bonus as well.

 

[big soft moose]

if you do a lot of sport the 5d 2 might not be the best - the burst isnt all that plus you'll lose the crop factor advantage on long shots.

I'd go with either a 60D or 7D new or a 1D2 or 1D3 second hand

 

[Fenman55]

Welcome to the forums Martin.

I went from 450 to 550 to 5Dmk2 and im currently going down the route of selling the 5dmk2 and going to a 7d for my needs.

I love the MK2 but really wont be needing it too much after the new year.

Bite the bullet, 5DMKII is what id go for again.

Forgive me for asking but what is the thought process behind going from a 5DMk11 to a 7D? Ok the 7D has more fps, but surely the full frame more than compensates for that.

 

[Fenman55]

Welcome to the forums!

I would go to a 60D. It has the same sensor as the 7D but not the insane price tag.This is what my common sense part of my brain thinks!!

However, the 5Dmk2 will probably be all the camera you'll ever needThis is what my extravagant side thinks!!. It's my next camera jumping from a 500D but this isn't until the future.

Hence why I'm hoping handling them will help me make a decision

 

[Fenman55]

Hi and welcome.

A good friend of mine earlier this year upgraded from his 450D to a 60D and loves it. He went for the upgrade as he wanted a faster fps, bigger body and the swivel screen was a bonus as well.For some unknown reason the swivel screen is one of the things that makes me unsure of the 60D...I have it in my head that I'm paying a lot for a gimick which I will not use!

 

[Fenman55]

if you do a lot of sport the 5d 2 might not be the best - the burst isnt all that plus you'll lose the crop factor advantage on long shots.Forgive me I maybe being a bonehead here but "lose the crop factor on long shots" I have it in my head that by using a larger "negative as it were" I would keep quality on blowing up / croping on long shots - cricket puts most of the action at 50yds + have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick??

I'd go with either a 60D or 7D new or a 1D2 or 1D3 second hand

 

[Alastair]

Forgive me for asking but what is the thought process behind going from a 5DMk11 to a 7D? Ok the 7D has more fps, but surely the full frame more than compensates for that.

Having the larger sensor won't help if you missed "the moment" in a fast action scene. Sensor size and FPS are apples and oranges.

 

[Fenman55]

Having the larger sensor won't help if you missed "the moment" in a fast action scene. Sensor size and FPS are apples and oranges.

Indeed they are but I was thinking that when he decided to buy the 5D he was, presumably, aware that the 5D is slow on the fps but decided that the full frame was a major factor it the purchase of the camera, consequently I was trying to understand why the 7D was a better camera for him now as opposed to the 5D then. Those reasons maybe the same for me. I suppose I am trying to learn at, hopefully not, someone else's expence.

 

[Harriers9]

I've got a swivel screen on my A640 carry about and I really miss it on my 450. Incredibly useful as shown here:



Montmartre


He really didn't want to be photographed and every time I tried he turned his back.


Eventually I turned away and pointed my camera sideways but used the screen in front of me to compose. In the can


Next camera I get will deffo have a swivel screen

 

[big soft moose]

The issue about crop factor vs large sensor has been debated to farethewell allready but just to recap

on xxD model the sensor is a 1.6 crop which means that in terms of magnification/field of view a 300mm will act like 480mm on a full frame, and a 500mm will act like a 800mm FF equivalent - which saves lugging a sigmonster about with you (even if you can afford it)

the counter argument is that the larger sensor gives you more pixels and thus you can crop the image in PP to achieve the same mag and thus FF is 'more' versatile

both positions have merit , but I tend towards the former because i cant see myself wanting to crop christ knows how many shots one at a time, and also if you are covering sport for publication speed of turnround is important so you want it right in camera.

That said its not a major factor - the depth and length of burst is more decisive imo

(my dream kit would be to have a 5D2 and a 7D (or in a real dream a 1DS5 and 1D4) so that i could do wedding, portrait , and landscape with the former, and wildlife and sport with the latter - but unfortunately I dont have that kind of cash. )

 

[Fenman55]

The issue about crop factor vs large sensor has been debated to farethewell allready but just to recap

on xxD model the sensor is a 1.6 crop which means that in terms of magnification/field of view a 300mm will act like 480mm on a full frame, and a 500mm will act like a 800mm FF equivalent - which saves lugging a sigmonster about with you (even if you can afford it)

the counter argument is that the larger sensor gives you more pixels and thus you can crop the image in PP to achieve the same mag and thus FF is 'more' versatileOk thanks for that I have heard / read this before but it had glazed over me and I hadn't really understood the relevance of the 1.6, now I understand / appreciate the relevance of it, many thanks
)

 

[andyred]

For some unknown reason the swivel screen is one of the things that makes me unsure of the 60D...I have it in my head that I'm paying a lot for a gimick which I will not use

I can see this, but having seen it and had a very quick play with his 60D and the screen, I can see the benefit of it.

There are times when it will come in use - if you need to shoot high up or very low down, but you also turn it around when putting your camera away, so gives the LCD screen some extra protection.

 

[Eddzz!!]

Hello there, and welcome to the forums!

I literally had the same problem as you just a few weeks ago and I too was considering all of the options! I finally decided on the 60D and it's arriving today, so I will let you know whether it was the right decision!

For me, the 7D was just that bit too expensive for the advantages it offered over the 60D. I'm sure micro-adjustment would have been useful, and yeah the 8fps burst would have been a nice touch, but are these things you or I would use every day? No, probably not! As for the build quality of the 60D (some people pick up on this), I've handled both the 60D and the 7D and they feel similarly solid in the hand. Admittedly the 7D is just a touch better built, but that doesn't mean to say you can go throwing it on the floor You also have to take into consideration the advantages of the 60D over any of the other Canon dSLRs. That articulating monitor (shared only by the 600D, an entry-level camera) is second to none! I can see myself getting a lot of use out of that, capturing those tricky shots or being artistic with my photography / videography. Manually adjusting sound input will also be imperative to me, but again that's personal needs.

My advice to you would be to get down Currys or Jessops and ask to have a play around with them both - it helped me to decide!

 

[onona]

I upgraded from a 450D to a 7D, after choosing between a 5D Mark II and the 7D. Ultimately I chose the 7D because I already own a bunch of EF-S lenses that I'd have been unable to use on the 5DII. I'll probably buy a 5DII one day anyway, but for me, the 7D ticked all the boxes. And one of my friends has a 5DII that I can borrow in the meantime, if I need it.

But I do agree with some of the others here - you should choose after trying all your options.

 

[Fenman55]

Finally went mental and bout a 7D....excellant.
Then thought s*d it you only live once and bought a Canon 100 - 400L zoom.
The diffence is amaising!!

Could now do with a better lens to replace my EFS 17 - 85 without breaking the bank........................I have allready done that any good sugestions??

 

[dinners]

Finally went mental and bout a 7D....excellant.
Then thought s*d it you only live once and bought a Canon 100 - 400L zoom.
The diffence is amaising!!

Could now do with a better lens to replace my EFS 17 - 85 without breaking the bank........................I have allready done that any good sugestions??

Congratulations on your new camera

Replacing your EFS 17-85. I guess the first question (I used to have one) is why do you want to replace it. What is it about the lens that is restricting you ? Is it IQ, Zoom range, max aperture ?

If you're happy to stick with EF-S lenses then I would certainly consider the 15-85. Nice and versatile zoom length and those extra couple of mm at the wide end do make a difference unless you're already thinking of a 10-20 or 10-22 UWA.

The 17-55 f2.8 is more money and you don't get the same in terms of zoom range but it's a lovely lens (possibly first choice for a crop body) and benefits from that f 2.8 aperture.

I'd say the above two lenses are your most obvious choices however there are lots of other options from 3rd party manufacturers that are worth considering depending on your budget.