What is Full Frame? (D700)

Martyn... said:
No I think your safe Jim :thumbs:
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That's what I thought, lol!
 
POAH said:
by quoting me you proved my point ;)
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Eh?

I think he proved my point, more to the point!
 
POAH said:
re-read the quotes they are not the same ;)
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They mean the same though! "135 sized", "135", "135 sensor" my points the same!

POAH said:
full frame is what people incorrectly describe a 135 sized sensor. there are bigger sensors and bigger format film so 135 is not "full frame" have a read of the history of photography
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Sigh...

Bye bye all!
 
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scottthehat said:
:D, and the d300 is awsome but the d700 is just the same but better, af speed is slightly faster 2,
the only con for the d700 is no crop factor, that why i have both.
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Sorry Scott I have to ask,
what do you mean by no crop factor?
 
Snapsh0t said:
I thought Nikon DX lenses worked perfectly on FX cameras but forced the camera into a DX mode. I think it's only Canon that has the incompatibility.
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Have to agree , I thought I'd read something along those lines, no wonder I'm all confused:gag:
 
POAH said:
full frame is what people incorrectly describe a 135 sized sensor. there are bigger sensors and bigger format film so 135 is not "full frame" have a read of the history of photography
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Daveee said:
Guys,

Sorry, but being new to all this, could someone clarify all this for me:bonk::bonk::help:
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POAH made the comment above that Full Frame is what people incorrectly describe a 135 sized sensor.

This statement is incorrect both Nikon and Canon refer to their cameras with sensors similar in size to 35mm film as Full Frame.

To deflect from the error POAH then went on a crusade regarding his use of the term 135 sized sensor.

135 is an old term used for 35mm film.

POAH however did crack a good joke in response to being asked if he worked for The Samaritans.
 
Daveee said:
Have to agree , I thought I'd read something along those lines, no wonder I'm all confused:gag:
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Sorry, I was wrong, I swear I typed all about the DX mode, but I cant find it, so I guess I dreamt it.
DX lenses will work, but the camera lowers the resolution to 5MP and greys out part of the viewfinder.
 
Martyn... said:
POAH made the comment above that Full Frame is what people incorrectly describe a 135 sized sensor.

This statement is incorrect both Nikon and Canon refer to their cameras with sensors similar in size to 35mm film as Full Frame.

To deflect from the error POAH then went on a crusade regarding his use of the term 135 sized sensor.

135 is an old term used for 35mm film.

POAH however did crack a good joke in response to being asked if he worked for The Samaritans.
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Okidoki:bonk:
 
The D700 has been around for some time and must be shortly due to be replaced as was the D300. I am basically in the same position do I go get a D700 now or wait for the upgrade,I intend to keep the D300.

My worry is the D700 is going the same way as the D300 and have movie mode added which is something I just don't want as I already have superb Panasonic video camera.

It's a pity both Canon and Nikon have decided to go down the duel purpose route as its totally unnecessary in my opinion.


Realspeed
 
realspeed said:
The D700 has been around for some time and must be shortly due to be replaced as was the D300. I am basically in the same position do I go get a D700 now or wait for the upgrade,I intend to keep the D300.

My worry is the D700 is going the same way as the D300 and have movie mode added which is something I just don't want as I already have superb Panasonic video camera.

It's a pity both Canon and Nikon have decided to go down the duel purpose route as its totally unnecessary in my opinion.


Realspeed
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just get a d700 and you will love it.
 
TCR4x4 said:
Sorry, I was wrong, I swear I typed all about the DX mode, but I cant find it, so I guess I dreamt it.
DX lenses will work, but the camera lowers the resolution to 5MP and greys out part of the viewfinder.
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Wake up Tom:lol::lol:

Seriously mate, no worries. Slowly but surely I'm grasping bits of info from everyone over FF, DX, FX and sensors, what an information overload, I'm off for a drink:bang:

I've certainly got some heavy thinking to do. I'll end up sticking with the D300 for now probably and gain some more experience. (Maybe:lol:)
 
Starastin said:
http://blog.tylerginter.com/?p=290

as easy as 1,2,3 .

yes, full frame is generally a nickname. history plays such tricks from time to time. Poah just needs to learn to present his opinions in a more diplomatic way :lol:
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"Full Frame" is no longer a nick name (and I'm not sure it ever was as such) it is a technically accepted term.

Check out Canon's web page for the Canon 5D2 It is only referred to as "The full frame EOS 5D Mark II" which has a "21.1MP full frame CMOS sensor".

http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_5D_Mark_II/

No other terminology is used with reference the sensor.

The 135 film was actually introduced by Kodak in 1935 and is the first format film that we have since known as 35mm film. The connection between 135 film and digital sensors has, to my knowledge, never been made as the term 35mm film followed not long after Kodak's 135 film was introduced and subsequently copied, which is probably why I've never heard a full frame camera referred to as a "135 sized sensor" and why no one uses this term...
 
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Daveee said:
Wake up Tom:lol::lol:

Seriously mate, no worries. Slowly but surely I'm grasping bits of info from everyone over FF, DX, FX and sensors, what an information overload, I'm off for a drink:bang:

I've certainly got some heavy thinking to do. I'll end up sticking with the D300 for now probably and gain some more experience. (Maybe:lol:)
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To simplify matters, if you shoot in low/bad light get a D700, if you don't then stick with the D300 - for now :naughty:

Whatever you do, do not go and have a shot of a D700 or you will want to change, regardless of whether you need to or not :lol:
 
this is just to show the high iso of both cameras d300 and d700.
straight from camera jpeg.
this is from a dim light room(1 energy 11w bulb at 11pm) the d300 is not to bad at high iso.
d300 iso 6400
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d700 iso 6400
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d700 iso 12800(about the same as d300 at iso 6400)maybe a tad cleaner.
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25600
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there is no error someone made the comment that I said 135 sensor when I actually said 135 sized sensor since its actually the same size as the 35mm negative.



Martyn... said:
POAH made the comment above that Full Frame is what people incorrectly describe a 135 sized sensor.

This statement is incorrect both Nikon and Canon refer to their cameras with sensors similar in size to 35mm film as Full Frame.

To deflect from the error POAH then went on a crusade regarding his use of the term 135 sized sensor.

135 is an old term used for 35mm film.

POAH however did crack a good joke in response to being asked if he worked for The Samaritans.
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you forgot about CX :lol:

if you can afford it get the D700

Daveee said:
Wake up Tom:lol::lol:

Seriously mate, no worries. Slowly but surely I'm grasping bits of info from everyone over FF, DX, FX and sensors, what an information overload, I'm off for a drink:bang:

I've certainly got some heavy thinking to do. I'll end up sticking with the D300 for now probably and gain some more experience. (Maybe:lol:)
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POAH said:
full frame is what people incorrectly describe a 135 sized sensor. there are bigger sensors and bigger format film so 135 is not "full frame" have a read of the history of photography
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POAH said:
there is no error someone made the comment that I said 135 sensor when I actually said 135 sized sensor since its actually the same size as the 35mm negative.
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The error you made that I was referring to was in your post #13 quoted above.

As shown in the links above Canon, Nikon and Sony refer to 35mm film sized sensors as "Full Frame"

I was fully aware of what you were getting at with regard to the missing "sized" the intent in your posts was the same, that 135 / 135 sized sensors are not "Full Frame"

Your statement in post #13 is incorrect, Full Frame is correctly used to describe a 35mm film sized sensor.
 
Martyn... said:
The error you made that I was referring to was in your post #13 quoted above.

As shown in the links above Canon, Nikon and Sony refer to 35mm film sized sensors as "Full Frame"
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To be pedantic, Nikon don't use the term "full frame", they call their (slightly smaller) format "FX".....
 
Flash In The Pan said:
To be pedantic, Nikon don't use the term "full frame", they call their (slightly smaller) format "FX".....
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Yes they do Graham ... from the link I provided above on Nikon's specification page for the D700

12.1 megapixel FX (full-frame) CMOS sensor with high signal-to-noise ratio, wide dynamic range, and built-in self-cleaning sensor unit that minimizes dust.

Here is the link again D700

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Four guys, who I like on here, arguing over a few words............sheeesh..........;)
 
fracster said:
Four guys, who I like on here, arguing over a few words............sheeesh..........;)
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I thought we were having a civil discussion, I certainly felt no malice in any of the posts, and I doubt the other three did either, no different to a discussion over a few beers in a pub :beer:








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...its only because POAH backtracked on another of his completely random posts.

But yes, its pointless!
 
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odd jim said:
...its only because POAH backtracked on another of his completely random posts.

But yes, its pointless!
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It's been very entertaining though. Thank you!
 
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