Whats up with everyone...or is it just me??

SJD2011

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I have been a member on here for a few months now, and posted quite a few images.

Recently it just seems to be that there are more people on here more interested in passing comments that are designed to inflame/ belittle, rather than helpful critique.

There are certain members who seem to always shoot my images down for even a slight niggle...whilst I admit I am still learning and trying to grow as a photographer, sometimes you need a bit of positivity as well as the constructive comments rather than justcomments about peoples pet hates/ peeves and what they dont like. I know peoples opinions are subjective and only their opinion, but even so........


I admit that I have not always posted positive comments, but I try to make my comments constructive by saying what I like and what I think would improve the image. I am never mean or nasty.

I used to really enjoy coming onto the forum, and posting my stuff, but after recent comments, I am too scared to post.

Sorry for the rant, maybe I take things too personally, but I would just like people to remember that we all started somewhere - we didnt take amazingly perfect images the moment we picked a camera up!

Sorry for the rant.
 
Earlier today you posted some pics... i replied and BTW I stand by every word I ahve posted... I was honest and I do have a perfectly good point..

You posted 6 pictures which you say captured an event..
After viewing the 6 pictures I still had no idea what was happening..

Thus my comment is valid that the 6 pictures should have at least left me wiht some idea..


que some rather ignorent replies not least by photodiva and then you start this thread..

I made the effort to tell you what was wrong wiht the set of pictures and when asked I offerd advice on how to improve them by adding a wide angle..


From someone who does try to offer help and advice its hard to take people moaning when they dont like it :(
 
Im new too and find the opposite....Im not getting enough critisism.

If you put something up I for one dont want lots of ooos and aaaahs... I want to know...is it interesting to others...does it envoke a reaction...is the pleasing on the eye... have I messed up technically, could I have done it better/differently .

If someone takes the time out of their lives to reply I take it as a complement irrespective of if I like what they say or not...theyre giving me their time to give their view (that I asked for)...

perhaps youre taking things to personally rather than stepping back and reflecting, then trying to do it differently next time. I guess if you keep doing the same things over and getting the same comments then people might find that irritating...but I dont know if thats what youre meaning.
 
KIPAX said:
Earlier today you posted some pics... i replied and BTW I stand by every word I ahve posted... I was honest and I do have a perfectly good point..

You posted 6 pictures which you say captured an event..
After viewing the 6 pictures I still had no idea what was happening..

Thus my comment is valid that the 6 pictures should have at least left me wiht some idea..

que some rather ignorent replies not least by photodiva and then you start this thread..

I made the effort to tell you what was wrong wiht the set of pictures and when asked I offerd advice on how to improve them by adding a wide angle..

From someone who does try to offer help and advice its hard to take people moaning when they dont like it :(
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My thread was not aimed at you. If u read carefully I said that I didnt like comments that were not constructive. Once I had recovered from the word 'fail' in your post, I saw u did have constructive advice to offer. So as for me not liking it, thats untrue.

My comments were aimed at those that post things like 'its not straight' when its off by 0.1 of a mm, or 'Looks like crimewatch' or 'i dont like the subject'.

Trust me kipax, if I didnt like your comments in my sports shoot I wouldnt of bothered replying or asking further questions.
 
The real question is which would you prefer? Would you like all comments to say wonderful photos-well done-really captures the moment- fantastic shot knowing full well that such postings are just to please.
The other alternative is to praise and add hopefully something that may have been overlooked, and point out what others think may improve. I know I would choose the second option every time.

Realspeed
 
Having read the thread Kipax is refering to I have to agree with his reply in both that thread and this one. Also I think arwesa gives a very good reply. If you don't want critique don't post in the critique section.
 
Dont worry about it too much, just keep at it!

It is disheartening, but dont let it get to you. People will always dislike your photos, even if you end up as a world renown pro, someone out there will dislike your work.

Be critical of your own work, pick out every single little thing you dont like about them, that way you will have an idea of what might be said by other people, and anything people dont mention is a bonus :D

At the end of the day, you take on a hobby for your own enjoyment, not other peoples. If you like your photos, but no one else does, sod them :thumbs:
 
Many years ago I was told how great the internet is for information.. All you have to do is wade through the #### to find it..

My point...Ignore the bad and take the good...If its all bad then start threads like this IMHO :)

As for myself.. the post from photodiva then thanked by you probably wound me up more..this thread just took me over the edge.. Sorry :)
 
For goodness sake, I DO agree with what kipax has said in both threads!! I have replied saying this!

I would prefer the second option also realspeed, everytime.

I post my images to get feedback, not stupid comments. Interestingly I have never prefixed any of my images with 'critique'. Maybe I should do this so people will know I am after constructive advice?

Thank you for all your comments though.
 
KIPAX said:
Many years ago I was told how great the internet is for information.. All you have to do is wade through the #### to find it..

My point...Ignore the bad and take the good...If its all bad then start threads like this IMHO :)

As for myself.. the post from photodiva then thanked by you probably wound me up more..this thread just took me over the edge.. Sorry :)
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I never meant to p you off.....i couldnt think of any reply to your answer to photdiva so thought better to say nothing. But as I said, thus thread isnt aimed at you, others may read it and recognise themselves, but in all honesty I am going to take yours and others advice and sort the wheat from the chaff.
 
Hi,
I haven't read the original thread or seen the images but would just offer a general comment. If you post images for critique you may get praise and or criticism. People will come at your shots from different perspectives and offer different thoughts. You can't ask for your shots to be viewed with some sort of 'critique filter' where you don't want to hear about what you consider as unreasonable or picky....

Look at the comments people make and take them at face value, they may be right after all! They have taken time to look at your images and comment upon them, you don't have to agree with or like those comments of course. I have seen some cracking images on here but they have still received a bit of criticism so don't take it too hard, learn from it most people give well intentioned advice. It after all a photographers forum not a diplomatic one!

Dunc
 
If you think someone is being rude or arsey about your pics either take it on the chin or use the report post button and explain why.

You will always get people that donot like something about your pics so you can either take it on board or ignore it, crotique does not always come gift wrapped, sometimes you it can be blunt as hell but thats just the way that person is.

spike
 
It really depends what you want to get out of your photography.
If you want to look to improve, then place you efforts against a similar shot/location which looks better than your own. Now ask yourself why it is better. It is very likely it is nothing to do with equipment, but technique.
If you are taking great shots, then you will see results by submitting them to competitions etc.
When I first started posting here my shots got slated and I am so glad, as I now make regular sales from my pics thanks to taking the advice given.
 
This thread is typically why I no longer comment on people's pics or post on this forum much anymore!!. every thread seems to digenerate into an argument of intention/quality/skill??.
We are all at differing levels and all have differing opinions on pics! so why slag off fellow contributers?,
I like to think I'm qualified in passing on info on Footy & Rugby as are a fare few of the regular submitters!, but, if advice is met with offence by the OP or shouted down by fellow commentors without offering their own interpretations it won't be long before there will be even less given comments/advice for people to learn from!.
There!!That's my toys chucked :D:D
 
As I have already stated....i dont mind critiscism or critique as long as there is rationale/ advice rather than ignorant comments such as 'i dont like the subject'. Thats just not helpful. I have received negative critiscim for some of.my shots which was taken in the way it was meant and I didnt get shirty but accepted it so its not that I dont like people disliking my stuff.

All I ask is that if you want to critique, please explain what you mean and give me suggestions as to what and how to improve!!!!
 
I think the problem comes from the fact that you can never tell the tone which is intended. It is very easy to misjudge what someone means and as such you have to choose your words very carefully. I recently gave up on a thread I started because it just seemed to be a series of misunderstood responses and the point of the original thread was lost :(
 
TP is probably too large an audience spread across many sub-forums and interest groups to generate meaningful and useful critique and commentary in any reliable fashion - meaningful and useful from the point of view of the person posting an image in expectation of it. Everyone has their own ideas about the technicalities of photography, their own opinions on the aesthetics art of photography, etc. Not everyone has the patience and/or language skills formulate critique or comment in a useful way. Good critique takes time to consider and type.

But having said that, if you make it easy for people to make useful comments they are more likely to do so.
  • Post one or two images at a time for critique. More than this is unreasonable if you expect others to take time to really look at an image.
  • Post only your best. It's really, really difficult to critique a bland and uninteresting image (but see the next point, this could be deliberate on your part). Avoid posting multiple versions of the same scene, critique is not a poodle contest.
  • Explain why you took the shot, what you wanted to achieve, what you like and dislike about the image. This reduces the likelilhood that negative points will be raised against the elements of the image you put the most effort into achieving. It also gives people a starting point for their own comments.
  • If you're looking for help rather than critique, say what you want help with. Be specific to get specific answers, e.g. "How could I have composed this better?", "How could I have achieved a better sky?".



Finding the right group on Flickr is the best method I have found for getting meaningful critique, rather than the usual, "Like :thumbs:", "Does nothing for me", "Great shot!". The right group will probably be quite small (<50 members), with a restrictive posting limit (probably one image per week) to ensure that thought is put into which images are uploaded and that they receive plenty of attention. If you find this elusive group, let me know. A couple of very good groups I knew have grown too large as victims of their own success.
 
I think that people on here can often feel like nothing is going right for them, however TP is something that requires you to put in as much as you would like to get out of it :thumbs:

I've seen a lot of threads about not getting enough critique or the right critique on an image etc, but often the same people that also complain about critique don't do much critiquing themselves, Also who is to decide what is the correct critique ultimately if you don't like whats been said that's what the RTM button is for, let a mod decide :thumbs: they do a great job in keeping this forum running smoothly :thumbs:

I spend a couple of hours per evening in the critique sections, actually if you were to look at my stats on here you would see that in excess of 90% of my posts are in the critique sections I don't venture into these parts of the forum very often at all :shrug:

Ultimately as I said you get out of TP what your willing to put into it :thumbs:

Matt
MWHCVT
 
Thank you alastair for your advice and attitude. I get what your saying.

Thanks also matt. I do get what your saying, but I dont feel qualified to comment on other peoples stuff much as I can only really say what I like, and cant offer much advice as to how to improve due to my inexperience.

It was not my intention to upset ir offend anyone, I just wanted to express my frustration regarding unhelpful comments. From this though, I will try to comment constructively towards others.
 
I'm a painstaking perfectionist so i'd actually be grateful for the criticism you quoted. If i actually felt the need to show others my photos anyway :lol:

I reckon you should take note of even the tiniest critisism and or fault with an image. It's the only way to improve once you get to a certain level.

SJD2011 said:
My thread was not aimed at you. If u read carefully I said that I didnt like comments that were not constructive. Once I had recovered from the word 'fail' in your post, I saw u did have constructive advice to offer. So as for me not liking it, thats untrue.

My comments were aimed at those that post things like 'its not straight' when its off by 0.1 of a mm, or 'Looks like crimewatch' or 'i dont like the subject'.

Trust me kipax, if I didnt like your comments in my sports shoot I wouldnt of bothered replying or asking further questions.
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SJD2011 said:
Thanks also matt. I do get what your saying, but I dont feel qualified to comment on other peoples stuff much as I can only really say what I like, and cant offer much advice as to how to improve due to my inexperience.
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Sam don't take this the wrong way, but honestly what qualification, I never think what do they know or how good are they, when someone gives me critique, okay I have got to know quite a few of the people on TP for there particular talents so there are some people across different genres that when my work is something that I know they do really well I do perhaps value there critique a little more :thumbs:

If you can say what you like, go ahead and say that, if you don't currently feel confident to say "actually I don't like that because of XYZ" or "that could be improved if...." then just stick to what you like

If you not confident of the technical aspects of photography comment on composition etc :thumbs:

This may give you a challenge, try and comment on 2 or 3 critique threads each time you log on you will soon get into it :thumbs:

Matt
 
Ive got to agree with you, there is some right a-holes kicking about who seem to take pride in pulling people down. I usually amuse myself by looking at the *****e theyre posted previously!

Ignore the *****ty comments and take on board the better ones, even if you may not totally agree! I sometimes go back to threads after a week or 2 and re-read comments, its amazing how your attitude changes after youve got over the initial proud feeling of producing an image.
 
MWHCVT said:
Sam don't take this the wrong way, but honestly what qualification, I never think what do they know or how good are they, when someone gives me critique, okay I have got to know quite a few of the people on TP for there particular talents so there are some people across different genres that when my work is something that I know they do really well I do perhaps value there critique a little more :thumbs:

If you can say what you like, go ahead and say that, if you don't currently feel confident to say "actually I don't like that because of XYZ" or "that could be improved if...." then just stick to what you like

If you not confident of the technical aspects of photography comment on composition etc :thumbs:

This may give you a challenge, try and comment on 2 or 3 critique threads each time you log on you will soon get into it :thumbs:

Matt
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When I said qualify I meant as in I am very inexperienced in photography and therefore dont really know what I am talking about? Not an actual qualifucation.

Good advice though, thanks. I will get.my critiquing head on post nights.....
 
Giving critique? - Be polite, you don't have to offend, this isn't xfactor!

Asking for critique? - Accept what you get appreciating that someone has taken the time to offer a comment, it's not a service you are paying for. Offer polite crit to others as you can and remember photography as a hobby should be relaxing and a source of enjoyment not stress!
 
Can't please everyone dude. If people are rude, then don't take it personally. Some people are just rude full stop.

Critique is a funny thing, everyone takes it/handles it different. You would be a better photographer to not ignore it, but take it on the chin, and use it as fuel to do better :)
 
SJD2011 said:
Recently it just seems to be that there are more people on here more interested in passing comments that are designed to inflame/ belittle, rather than helpful critique.
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If you're talking about this thread: First time shooting sport.. then my take on it is that you received a lot of constructive criticism. The only person who made a comment "designed to inflame or belittle" didn't aim it at you, but at everyone else:
Photodiva said:
Don't be too bothered by everyone's comments, I doubt they'd have done much better.
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So, on the basis of that thread, I'd say that the answer to your question "What's up with everyone...or is it just me?" is ... it's just you.

If you're actually talking about a different thread then I apologise for any misinterpretation. But that's the only photo thread you've posted in the last week or so, so I assumed it was the source of your angst.
 
StewartR said:
If you're talking about this thread: First time shooting sport.. then my take on it is that you received a lot of constructive criticism. The only person who made a comment "designed to inflame or belittle" didn't aim it at you, but at everyone else:

So, on the basis of that thread, I'd say that the answer to your question "What's up with everyone...or is it just me?" is ... it's just you.

If you're actually talking about a different thread then I apologise for any misinterpretation. But that's the only photo thread you've posted in the last week or so, so I assumed it was the source of your angst.
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Agreed. I've certainly had worse crit in the past, but that's what its all about. If everyone said how brilliant they are when really they didn't mean it, you'd never know where to improve.
 
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