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hi again guys now though i'm 95% sure on getting the canon 650d i was wondering on other peoples views, ive been tempted by the 60d to, is there really much difference between them? i just want a body i'm going to feel i need to change for 3 or 4 years
 
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ive recently got the 650d and im loving it!!! and this would last too...

what do you need the camera to be able to do??? or did you just wanna get a tricked out body and experiment as i did.... its in a whole new league compared to my previous canon 1000d
 
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ive recently got the 650d and im loving it!!! and this would last too...

what do you need the camera to be able to do??? or did you just wanna get a tricked out body and experiment as i did.... its in a whole new league compared to my previous canon 1000d
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probably the same i have an sx40hs which does a great job but want to get into dslr for that extra quality and speed,the 650d looks like the one i want, does it feel solid? i'm in rural area and haven't had the chance to get to camera shop for a while
 
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probably the same i have an sx40hs which does a great job but want to get into dslr for that extra quality and speed,the 650d looks like the one i want, does it feel solid? i'm in rural area and haven't had the chance to get to camera shop for a while
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Make the time and go handle both, don't buy a camera based purely on the spec - I nearly did that with my first DSLR and it would have been a huge mistake...
 
Its a tough one, i think the 60d has the better feel to it as its that bit bigger i'm not sure if the 650d is going to feel like my sx40 which would be better with a longer grip
 
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I have a 60D and the wife has a 650D and TBH there's not a great deal of difference between the two in terms of features. One has a better this while the other has a better that, but they both take excellent photos and both are excellent cameras.

The main difference is the ergonomics. The 60D is a bit bigger, has a rear dial and a top screen (similar layout to my 5D3) which, for me at least, is the reason I decided on it. The 650D has the 4 way buttons to navigate through the menus etc and no top screen, but it does have the touchscreen (very responsive and accurate) as well which makes things much easier than on the previous xxxD models.

If you haven't already had a dslr and aren't used to the feel of them then the 650D might be the best way to go. It's newer technology for a start and the improvements Canon have made to the build quality are great. If you are planning to use it for videos as well as stills then the 650D has to be the way to go. With the new 'silent' lenses the video system is fantastic for AF recording, video is much better than on any other EOS stills based camera I've had.
 
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I have a 60D and the wife has a 650D and TBH there's not a great deal of difference between the two in terms of features. One has a better this while the other has a better that, but they both take excellent photos and both are excellent cameras.

The main difference is the ergonomics. The 60D is a bit bigger, has a rear dial and a top screen (similar layout to my 5D3) which, for me at least, is the reason I decided on it. The 650D has the 4 way buttons to navigate through the menus etc and no top screen, but it does have the touchscreen (very responsive and accurate) as well which makes things much easier than on the previous xxxD models.

If you haven't already had a dslr and aren't used to the feel of them then the 650D might be the best way to go. It's newer technology for a start and the improvements Canon have made to the build quality are great. If you are planning to use it for videos as well as stills then the 650D has to be the way to go. With the new 'silent' lenses the video system is fantastic for AF recording, video is much better than on any other EOS stills based camera I've had.
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I will use video but not as important as photos and my sx40 does excellent video so its mainly for photo's really, i was pretty sure on the 650d but the grips not so good from what ive seen, seems the 60d has the better grip and more robust which i feel is pretty important, fps its also is slightly better but i do like the touch screen but then do i really need it? oh dear lol
 
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so what do people thinks the best upper entry/mid level canon ? for pictures
 
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7D.:thumbs:

If that's too 'upper', then the 60D or 550D/650D are next, but it all depends upon how it feels for you.

None of them will make you take better photos - only you can do that.
 
petebuster1 said:
so what do people thinks the best upper entry/mid level canon ? for pictures
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Best of the worst - canon are not the market leaders in IQ for crop anymore. Sony sensors are better. I'm a canon whore and I'd not even consider any of their crop offerings
 
It's fortunate that the 650D takes the same grip as the 550D does and as I already had the grip it was just a case of swapping. I've got a 3rd party grip for it, as have all the other 5 bodies I've had, and the grip is no better or worse than that of the 60D.
 
In all honesty, it is no good asking people which camera is best for you to buy. It is a personal and subjective choice and, as seen from the plethora of different makes and bodies, people look for different things in their choice of camera.

Make a short list of those YOU like the look of on paper, and go and try them.

The best camera for you is the one that you find most comfortable to hold. That has the most intuitive menu and control layout for you and that fits your budget. Remember all the cameras take good photos, you will make them great.
 
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The best camera for you is the one that you find most comfortable to hold. That has the most intuitive menu and control layout for you and that fits your budget. Remember all the cameras take good photos, you will make them great.
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This gets said fairly often and is spot on.

For example, on paper an X100 or a small DSLR with prime lens would fit my needs. People could recommend either based on what they want but only I know which fits me best in use and nobody else can tell me that.
 
Thanks guys i realise its all down to me at the end of the day, but i've found it really difficult to find 'the right dslr' i suppose as its my first i want to make the right choice. i'm so overloaded on reviews my heads spinning, there's always something you really like on one the other doesnt have, lol. I've thought do i go for 550d/600d and extra cash for better lenses or do i go 650d/60d? I think i'm trying to work out if theres any great difference between these cameras, i hope this makes sense
 
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A good lens on a more basic camera will do better than a cheap lens on a high tier body. I'd rather have a 550D with a decent lens than a 7D with a cheap lens.;)
 
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A good lens on a more basic camera will do better than a cheap lens on a high tier body. I'd rather have a 550D with a decent lens than a 7D with a cheap lens.;)
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This is where i'm trying to strike the balance can you get a decent lens on a limited budget or or do you have to go to L lens quality?
 
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I'm afraid that the L in the Canon range is not synonymous with 'budget'. Even then, there are L's and there are L's! I was blown away with the difference between my standard L's and my BIG one when I got the 500mm. However, my bank balance was blown away too.:'(

If you are just starting out, don't worry too much about your kit. Concentrate on being a good photographer rather than trying to get all the best gear and taking poor shots (that's what I do!):lol:
 
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I'm afraid that the L in the Canon range is not synonymous with 'budget'. Even then, there are L's and there are L's! I was blown away with the difference between my standard L's and my BIG one when I got the 500mm. However, my bank balance was blown away too.:'(

If you are just starting out, don't worry too much about your kit. Concentrate on being a good photographer rather than trying to get all the best gear and taking poor shots (that's what I do!):lol:
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I'll have a good close up look at the ones i like and which ever one feels the better for me is the one i'll go for, rather than taking in too much information:bonk:
 
I think you can be safe in the knowledge that no choice will be a particularly bad one as all current cameras do a very good job and none will be a cause of a bad photo.
 
well thanks, i'm going to have a feel (excuse the expression) for the 60d and 650d and see which suits me best
 
one thing i read that a few 650d's had to be returned as there were problems with the grips? anyone know if thats correct.

Also dont know what others think but ive been leaning towards the 60d as though i think the touch screens not a bad idea and its great for a phone but on the camera if your fiddling between viewing and adjusting settings it could be more of a pain than an asset so would you end up useing it that much and just useing the buttons instead, i think i would?
 
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petebuster1 said:
one thing i read that a few 650d's had to be returned as there were problems with the grips? anyone know if thats correct.

Also dont know what others think but ive been leaning towards the 60d as though i think the touch screens not a bad idea and its great for a phone but on the camera if your fiddling between viewing and adjusting settings it could be more of a pain than an asset so would you end up useing it that much and just useing the buttons instead, i think i would?
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you can adjust the settings in the normal manner on the 650d as well as using the touch screen features
 
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one thing i read that a few 650d's had to be returned as there were problems with the grips? anyone know if thats correct.

Also dont know what others think but ive been leaning towards the 60d as though i think the touch screens not a bad idea and its great for a phone but on the camera if your fiddling between viewing and adjusting settings it could be more of a pain than an asset so would you end up useing it that much and just useing the buttons instead, i think i would?
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Yes there was a recall. The front grips could turn white after some time. Only certain units produced within a certain time frame. I'm sure retailers have sent back affected units. You could also check with the serial number online.
 
one other thing i'd be taking wildlife pics a lot so how important are fps, i was originally going to get the 550d as there's some good deals around but saw a review on youtube comparing that and the d3100 and he said neither were that good for moving objects and that you need at least 5fps hence i'm looking now at the 60d and 650d,would like more but cameras with more are outside my budget, but was he correct?
 
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I've thought do i go for 550d/600d and extra cash for better lenses or do i go 650d/60d? I think i'm trying to work out if theres any great difference between these cameras, i hope this makes sense
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This is exactly the dilemma i am in, i's thinking more the 600D for myself as the improvements of the 650D over the 600D are not things that really bother me (touch screen, better focusing in video mode etc), but then when you look at the price difference between the 600D and the 60D there is quite a jump

I have pretty much convinced myself to get the 600D and spend some money on glass, rather than blow my whole budget on the 60D and only have the one kit lens
 
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This is exactly the dilemma i am in, i's thinking more the 600D for myself as the improvements of the 650D over the 600D are not things that really bother me (touch screen, better focusing in video mode etc), but then when you look at the price difference between the 600D and the 60D there is quite a jump

I have pretty much convinced myself to get the 600D and spend some money on glass, rather than blow my whole budget on the 60D and only have the one kit lens
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thats what i keep thinking, as much as i think i've made my mind up i then think get the 550 or 600d and have some extra for decent lenses,god its difficult :(:( but then i dont want to get a couple of months down the line and wished i'd gone for 650/60d, the only difference between the 550 and 600 is the swival screen
 
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Unless you NEED a swivel screen, I think it's a bit of a gimmick. Given the price difference between the two, I'd plump for a 550 with a grip.:thumbs:
 
FourRingCircus said:
Unless you NEED a swivel screen, I think it's a bit of a gimmick. Given the price difference between the two, I'd plump for a 550 with a grip.:thumbs:
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i disagree they can be pretty useful especially for video but then i have to use it a lot on my sx40 which can be a bit annoying but then if you've got a good viewfinder you'd use it less which is another reason for the 60d,dont know how good they are on the other d's
 
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I'm quite surprized how much I use the swivel screen, specially when shooting macro, as I never thought I'd need it. I've used it for above head height shots at a concert or two as well which was very useful.

Another point for the 60D/650D over the 550D/600D is that they both have all cross point focussing whereas the 550D/600D only have a cross point in the centre. I started with a 550D and can definitely say the focussing was good on a fast lens, but it's faster and more accurate on the outer points with the 60D/650D which could be a major factor in deciding. As far as focussing goes on the 60D, the only thing I miss from the 7D, 5D2 and 5D3 is the 'spot focus point' which is very accurate for perched birds etc.

I started with the best and newest body I could afford (for future proofing) and a kit lens, which is very good anyway, knowing I was always going to upgrade the lens as soon as I could afford to. I've been into aviation photography for a long time so I knew I was going to need a long lens as soon as.
 
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