Why are people buying electric cars?

See the above video. All the major manufacturers have signed up to ethical mineral mining for batteries.

Also, the same minerals are used in the petrochemical industry, so don’t go thinking that the Dino fuel is exempt from the same minerals.

I understand about the cost of the EV cars though.
 
Denis99 said:
For the nay sayers, have a look at this video.

View: https://youtu.be/LeHakmL6eEc?si=usXmxQiFOjzyM1k0


Don’t let your prejudice get in the way of the facts.

We have had an EV for the last 9 years.

Would never go back to an ICE car.

There is a lot of Daily Mail ignorance on some of these threads.
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A prime example of an insulting, holier than thou poster.
Many of us cannot afford an EV, it is as simple as that.
I have in various posts said that I paid £3K for our current vehicles, an amount of wonga which would buy me an EV at current prices which would have a 40 mile range (if you are lucky). I could not charge that vehicle at home and I would use up half its range charging it elsewhere.
Both our cars have a range of between 550 and 600 miles, are very comfortable and allow us yo have really nice touring holidays in Europe, which you presumably frown on, because you and others of your ilk, think that European touring holidays should only be a pleasure which the rich can afford.
Meanwhile the people who you worship, the likes of Sadiq Khan and Greta Thunberg are travelling around in £499K armour plated Range Rovers or executive jets.
 
ShinySideUp said:
Can't be as heavy as the mass of batteries required to do the same range though.
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Dunno.

My massive Tesla with its 75 kw of batteries weighs a little under 2,000 kg (new ones can be slightly heavier). Which is a lot. And also a lot less than a Range Rover (up to 2.6 tonnes) and quite a bit less than an all dinosaur Audi A8 which starts around 2.2 tonnes. EVs are heavy - but cars have got significantly heavier recently.
 
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Shame they can't apply the same longevity to phone batteries. My phone batteries last ages (relatively) when I first get them but battery deterioration is usually the reason I end up changing my phone after about three years, maybe four. The battery isn't completely knackered but once one has to start carting a power bank around, just in case, it's time to move it on. And by move it on, I mean put it in landfill because it is very difficult to find a recycler that does phones around here.
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Please don't. Not only is it a waste of resources there have been several fires caused in bin lorries by people throwing items with batteries in them in the rubbish.

All shops selling mobile phones are required by law to take old ones in for recycling*. So are most supermarkets (the law depends on the size of their electrical department). Currys / PCWorld will take any electricals smaller than a wheelie bin. B&Q will take anything "small" and every O2 and Vodafone store has a bin to drop phones into. Failing that, next time you go to your local tip, there's a container for them.

I'm involved with a group setting up a WEEE recycling scheme locally so you may already have one. Last week I visited the factory in Kent where electrical goods are smashed into component parts for recycling by specialists. In case you're wondering, the first step is to remove batteries and then they drop the stuff in a big blender. They have about 1 fire a week......

And don't get me started on disposable vapes......................

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* kind of - like most new laws it's a bad one so some retailers only recycle if you're buying an equivalent product. Many take anything small enough - pretty much all phone shops take phones whether you are getting a new one or not.
 
JonathanRyan said:
And don't get me started on disposable vapes......................
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Once you are on them, you are hooked!

Seriously, battery recycling should be the subject of a Public Information Film (if we still had them)
 
andya700 said:
A prime example of an insulting, holier than thou poster.
Many of us cannot afford an EV, it is as simple as that.
I have in various posts said that I paid £3K for our current vehicles, an amount of wonga which would buy me an EV at current prices which would have a 40 mile range (if you are lucky). I could not charge that vehicle at home and I would use up half its range charging it elsewhere.
Both our cars have a range of between 550 and 600 miles, are very comfortable and allow us yo have really nice touring holidays in Europe, which you presumably frown on, because you and others of your ilk, think that European touring holidays should only be a pleasure which the rich can afford.
Meanwhile the people who you worship, the likes of Sadiq Khan and Greta Thunberg are travelling around in £499K armour plated Range Rovers or executive jets.
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Not insulting at all.

Firstly, I did say I understand the cost of the vehicle.

Didn’t say anything about only for the rich.
I don’t worship anyone, Greta Thunberg isn’t travelling around in Range Rovers and doesn’t travel by jet either.

As I said , Daily Mail lies about the truth, you need to get your facts right, watch the video , which is about dispelling the lies in the media.

It discusses the issue of cost , but there in no mention of Thunberg etc.
 
I guess if this forum could go back 100-160 years some would be saying trains are bad and cars will never catch on!!
 
Denis99 said:
Not insulting at all.

Firstly, I did say I understand the cost of the vehicle.

Didn’t say anything about only for the rich.
I don’t worship anyone, Greta Thunberg isn’t travelling around in Range Rovers and doesn’t travel by jet either.

As I said , Daily Mail lies about the truth, you need to get your facts right, watch the video , which is about dispelling the lies in the media.

It discusses the issue of cost , but there in no mention of Thunberg etc.
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I think you need to read a few revealing articles about Thunberg and Khan.

oilprice.com

Greta Thunberg’s Not-So-Little Carbon Footprint | OilPrice.com

Greta Thunberg has captured the attention of the world with her climate change rhetoric, but is she practicing what she’s preaching?
oilprice.com oilprice.com

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OjuRlQ29_A
 
Greta went by sail boat.

I don’t see what Sadiq Khan or Thunberg have to do with the EV discussion, you brought them up.

Absolutely nothing to do with the thread at all.

Funny how the article is promoting fossil fuel though, jus saying.

Still to the thread, have a look at the video, it might change your opinion on the wider topic.

Maybe not for you personally, but the fossil fuel will run out, what then?
 
Cool, I had them back in the day.

No one is trying to make you buy an EV, its your choice.

Dino fuel and cars will be around for a long time yet. Probably at least 25 years or so.

Steam engines are still out there....
 
And steam coal burning is a smell almost as evocative as Castrol R.
 
Denis99 said:
There is a lot of Daily Mail ignorance on some of these threads.
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There's a great deal of ignorance from both sides of the discussion. :tumbleweed:
 
Well that doesn’t help with the ignorance factor.

I have seen all sorts of nonsense on the web and tabloids about how bad EV cars are, and how the batteries last two years etc.

Had an EV for 9 years now, previously I have had ICE cars and motorbikes.

Like to think I have some knowledge based on real world ownership and use.

If EV doesn’t work for you, cost, range, lack of charging infrastructure, then fine.

But the main stream press and net have a lot to answer for for the mis information
 
Denis99 said:
But the main stream press and net have a lot to answer for for the mis information
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That simply raises the question: whose information is incorrect?

In a debate about who has been "economical with the actualité", I tend to assume that the mainstream press have been less economical than the fanaticistas, Others will, of course, hold other opinions.
 
Well the fact that the government put back their plan to ban the sale of ICEs for five years speaks volumes as to the real truth behind EV use. I believe I said to a friend on the very day they announced a ban from 2030 that that wouldn't happen; it won't happen in 2035 either and in twelve years time you can come back here and see that I said it on TP. I also said, on the announcement of HS2 that that wouldn't happen within budget and most likely not at all and my prophecy seems to be coming true.

Mind you, I also said that the 2012 Olympics in London would be a complete shambles and it was absolutely perfect, so what do I know?!
 
Putting back to 2035 is purely a political move.

It has nothing to do with the merits of the EV cars.

The motor industry has been thrown into some disarray due to this change, as the major manufacturers have been planning on this date as a cross over point.

The decision is just political to gain votes from the “poor motorist” theory.

They have also backtracked on their commitments to be carbon neutral, backtracking on EV cars is one example, gas boilers another.

Aviation tax, backtracked, allowing more oil fossil fuel permits.

The planet is on fire, Sunak is pandering to the populists vote, and the big financial backers of the Tory Party.
 
Denis99 said:
Putting back to 2035 is purely a political move.

It has nothing to do with the merits of the EV cars.

The motor industry has been thrown into some disarray due to this change, as the major manufacturers have been planning on this date as a cross over point.

The decision is just political to gain votes from the “poor motorist” theory.

They have also backtracked on their commitments to be carbon neutral, backtracking on EV cars is one example, gas boilers another.

Aviation tax, backtracked, allowing more oil fossil fuel permits.

The planet is on fire, Sunak is pandering to the populists vote, and the big financial backers of the Tory Party.
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Good because it’s all bulls***e
 
I suppose the global temperature shift upwards since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution is also fictional as well.

What do scientists know anyway…..
 
Denis99 said:
The planet is on fire, Sunak is pandering to the populists vote, and the big financial backers of the Tory Party.
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I fear he can pander all he likes, it's not going to help. At the next general election, the SNP are going to gift half of Scotland to the Labour Party and the Tories are very likely lose the so-recently gained 'red wall'. If his pandering gets him a hung parliament, I think he will probably count himself lucky -- and I say this as a life-long Conservative voter. So if I think that way, what are other, less right-leaning, people thinking? Pander all he likes, I'm afraid it's all too little, too late and the climate will be the worse for it.
 
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Denis99 said:
For the nay sayers, have a look at this video.

View: https://youtu.be/LeHakmL6eEc?si=usXmxQiFOjzyM1k0


Don’t let your prejudice get in the way of the facts.

We have had an EV for the last 9 years.

Would never go back to an ICE car.

There is a lot of Daily Mail ignorance on some of these threads.
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I just got round to watching this, it won't change my vehicle ownership as I am not in a position to spend what it takes to get into them but there were some very interesting points made.

Of course it was one sided, I wonder what a debate between the 2 opposing camps would provide??
 
It does dispel some / most of the negative issues raised by the nay sayers.

Agree that it would be good to have a two sided debate though.

I suppose you could say I am biased, but this is my experience based on over 40 years of owning fossil fuelled cars and motorcycles.

Vs, the last eight of nine years being electric.
 
Denis99 said:
I suppose the global temperature shift upwards since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution is also fictional as well.

What do scientists know anyway…..
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Do you mean the so called 96% of scientists that are afraid of having their funding removed or the same scientists that have been incorrectly predicting the end of the world for decades.

It was b******t in the 60s, it’s b******t now and it will be b******t in another 30 years when scientists will be predicting the melting of the icecaps.
 
The icecaps are melting now.

Look at the evidence , the world temperature is continuing to rise.

But, I can see that you made a very considered response.
 
Denis99 said:
Look at the evidence , the world temperature is continuing to rise.
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Nobody with a brain denies that the planet's average temperature has risen.

What fewer people every day seem to believe is that this is a bad thing and if it is, that there is anything humans can do about it.

Instead of throwing things at people and trying to stop others getting to work, why not put the effort into taking advantage of the temperature change, for as long as it continues?
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Nobody with a brain denies that the planet's average temperature has risen.

What fewer people every day seem to believe is that this is a bad thing and if it is, that there is anything humans can do about it.

Instead of throwing things at people and trying to stop others getting to work, why not put the effort into taking advantage of the temperature change, for as long as it continues?
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wow people like you just are so refusing to get the point of even the tiny part of the solution that electric cars offer.
the planet is warming yes at an alarming rate yes
can electric cars stop this on there own = no not a chance not even close

so why bother?

because moving to a greener carbon free future with electric cars being powered by (future) fully green and carbon free electric
will stop our towns and cities stinking like cesspools and young children getting lung disease and asthma just for walking to school in a built up area.

why are the basic so difficult to grasp?
 
Rising temperatures are indeed good for some people -- wine growers in England, British holiday resorts... Greenland air-conditioner salesmen. While at the same time, fruit and vegetable growing industries in the South [of the Northern hemisphere] fight for what little water falls, huge grain harvests in the States fail because of drought MidWestDrought, huge ice shelves calve from Antarctica threatening sea level rises that will affect billions of people, the lack of sea ice in the Arctic which may well cause the stopping of the Atlantic conveyor currents. This last one will quickly drive the summer beer drinkers inside when we start getting the climate that Moscow and Winnipeg get now (same latitude, give or take).

Yes, we can make the most of the warmer weather here by having another beer in the sunshine while at the same time ignoring the fact that even Cornwall and Devon with their intensely wet climate has only just got over a hosepipe ban caused by lack of rainfall.

There are no advantages to take from global warming outside the tourist industry and to ignore or decry the existence of global warming, or to think that it is a good thing, is a fool's errand.

What is needed is a global concerted effort to create almost all electricity from renewable sources and to use it wisely, two things that the world will only start to achieve after it is too late. There will not be a slow slide into global warming, we will continue, electric cars or otherwise, until the tipping point is reached then all hell will break loose and the game will be over.

Electric cars or not, it doesn't really matter, if there is no one left to drive them. They are nice sentiment for those that can afford them but they are the tiniest drop in a world-wide ocean of apathy, disinformation and greed.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Nobody with a brain denies that the planet's average temperature has risen.

What fewer people every day seem to believe is that this is a bad thing and if it is, that there is anything humans can do about it.

Instead of throwing things at people and trying to stop others getting to work, why not put the effort into taking advantage of the temperature change, for as long as it continues?
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So, what are the things that we can do?

1) Magically create ways of growing the food we need as existing agricultural norms are shredded
2) accept that hundreds of millions of people are in areas that will be come uninhabitable, so we let them in or we let them die
3) crash course in making numbers of very wealthy people (like most Westerners) less comfortable and reduce our carbon
4) laugh at people who defend their consumption by saying "what are you doing?"
 
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Mr Bump said:
why are the basic so difficult to grasp?
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ShinySideUp said:
Electric cars or not, it doesn't really matter, if there is no one left to drive them.
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I think that the problem you are now facing is encapsulated in those two comments.

The climate change discussion has spawned a religion and those of us who hold a different opinion are evil fools. If you will allow one of the devils to give you some advice: that really is no way to persuade others to your views.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I think that the problem you are now facing is encapsulated in those two comments.

The climate change discussion has spawned a religion and those of us who hold a different opinion are evil fools. If you will allow one of the devils to give you some advice: that really is no way to persuade others to your views.
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Here is a mirror for you.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Thank you for proving my assertion. :(
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If you will allow one of the devils to give you some advice: that really is no way to persuade others to your views.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
That simply raises the question: whose information is incorrect?

In a debate about who has been "economical with the actualité", I tend to assume that the mainstream press have been less economical than the fanaticistas, Others will, of course, hold other opinions.
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A lot of this is personal preference, and good old fashioned prejudice. Like the Luton airport fire last week, so many initial stories blaming EVs.
 
Denis99 said:
The icecaps are melting now.

Look at the evidence , the world temperature is continuing to rise.

But, I can see that you made a very considered response.
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Are they? Really?

How may times have we been told the ice caps would be gone by xxxx and yet they are still there.

Not so long ago we were headed for an ice age according to these same scientists.

Sea levels are meant to be rising too and have supposedly been doing so for decades and yet no rise in sight. Multi Million Dollar coastal properties are still being gobbled up by the rich and famous that spout this nonsense.
 
cambsno said:
A lot of this is personal preference, and good old fashioned prejudice. Like the Luton airport fire last week, so many initial stories blaming EVs.
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Other than an anonymously posted video on a brand new twitter account with a number plate that nobody else seems to be able to make out from the footage, there is no real evidence that it wasn't.

Even if it wasn't an EV, there is no doubt that the other EV's parked in the same car park exasperated the problem.
 
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ShinySideUp said:
Yes, we can make the most of the warmer weather here by having another beer in the sunshine while at the same time ignoring the fact that even Cornwall and Devon with their intensely wet climate has only just got over a hosepipe ban caused by lack of rainfall.
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It's silly little facts like this that are used to bolster the climate catastrophe argument that makes people like me just laugh.

You're ignoring the fact that despite having a little less rain this year, you had a lot more last year and the year before and the year before that. In fact according to information from the Newquay weather station your rainfall look pretty normal. Sometimes you have a bit more and other you have a bit less.

Newquay Weather Station - Yearly Rainfall Summary Reports

Live, local weather for Newquay Cornwall, updates include live webcams, radar, forecast, lightning, tides, uk earthquakes, surf, and weather information, cornwall weather, weather cornwall, radiation, ship and aircraft tracking, live solar performance data
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Just north of Cornwall where I live we've had a very wet summer. Certainly the wettest summer I can remember since moving here in 2011.

This has nothing to do with climate change but the position of the jet stream.
 
ecoleman said:
This has nothing to do with climate change but the position of the jet stream.
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To be fair, the jet stream itself is part of the planet's climate and so will be affected, along with the rest of the system, by the different causes.

However, I think you're entirely correct about the Westcountry's weather history. I've lived here for more than 50 years and I've seen plenty of evidence about how unstable it is. Drought, flood, snow and wind show up with unsettling irregularity.
 
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