But are they ICE car, it's something I've noticed even in the UK, for many models unless you look at the tailpipe you can't always easy tell if it's an EV or not.
But are they ICE car, it's something I've noticed even in the UK, for many models unless you look at the tailpipe you can't always easy tell if it's an EV or not.
The reason EV sale are booming is not because of some government dictate.
They cost the same as the equivalent ICE
They cost a lot less to run
Some have a range of 500 miles
Some have a 1 million mile battery guarantee.
The sell because people actually want one, I get the feeling those moaning about them were moaning about dSLRs back in the day.
If it not what I've always had it must be bad syndrome.
They cost the same as the equivalent ICE
They cost a lot less to run
Some have a range of 500 miles
Some have a 1 million mile battery guarantee.
The sell because people actually want one, I get the feeling those moaning about them were moaning about dSLRs back in the day.
If it not what I've always had it must be bad syndrome.
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EVs over here have a green flash on their number plate. Not sure if other countries do anything similar.
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Not all EVs, so the number of EVs that you see in the wild will be more than you think.
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Head in the sand or head in the clouds?
If as some say that confidence in evs is growing why don't sales of evs exceed the minimum % that is dictated by government policies? The only reason that evs are at 30% is because manufacturers are restricted to only producing 70% ice vehicles. The growth in ev sales in the UK is driven by the decrease in availability of new ice vehicles.
Examples from Denmark, Norway and other countries are quoted without any attempt to explain why there is a higher take up of evs. Government incentives, restrictions on using ice vehicles, etc, etc.
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What is laughable about the moans against policies that promote EVs is that we are where we are because ICE cars had above and below board pressures to make them the dominant method of transport.
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Once again you don't seem to understand the issue.
If the Government are restricting the sales of petrol cars to 70% of the whole market then it should be no surprise to see that electric vehicle sales are 30%. What the little blue man and you don't get is that if the demand for evs was greater than 30% then their sales would be higher than the Government's artificially created market share.
The used market for petrol & diesel cars is very competetive as a result of people who don't want electric cars buying used vehicles rather than the new ones they are not being allowed to buy. But, everyone is entitled to be fussy about their choice of vehicle. You would have been as shown in your comments when you bought it. Why should someone who's circumstances don't suit having an ev have to put up with second best because of unworkable Government policies?
I do understand the issue. There are a number of people who EV doesnt suit. Thats fine.
Change takes time especially on a product with a long ownership (2-8 years based on people I know). The market is changing - we are getting cheaper and cheaper used EVs but it will take time for them to get into lower price points. I cant buy a family size used EV for say 5k, so if your budget is 5k, you will not be changing.
You dont understand that an EV would suit the vast majority of the population based on use and mileage
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I suspect you're wasting your time by writing commonsense.
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I suspect you're wasting your time by writing commonsense.
I'd like to see some facts to back up this claim - as far as I know there is no global policy restricting manufacture of ICE vehicles.
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You can just imagine certain posters 120 years ago telling us why a horse is better (and for that matter candles over electric)
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I put a link to the UK Government policy about restrictions on the sale of ice vehicles earlier in the thread. Other countries have similar quotas for ice .v. ev sales.
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No one that I know disputes the progression towards evs is a good thing. But the ev zealots are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think that UK ev sales of 30% are purely driven by choice. They are only that high because of a lack of choice!
Do you know of any circumstances were a person or business has not been able to buy an ICE car if they wanted to.
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This is a sales policy and not a manufacturing one, there are no restrictions saying that a manufacturer cannot make ICE vehicles, it's just that there are various national policies around the world restricting sales of ICE vehicles.
There is nothing that says you can't buy/order an ICE vehicle, delivery may not be immediate, and the manufacturer may have reduced choice in line with their regional sales policies.
You are chosing to miss a large point, many people are buying EVs because they want one (backed up by the increase in sales of pre-loved EVs) and now have more choice in EV purchase as manuafacturers make more EV models (and more become available pre-loved), and the entry point for getting into EV ownership has become more affordable.
I am far from an EV zealot, but for myself and many other people the EV option is beneficial over owning another ICE vehicle.
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What is also happening with EV's is that they are pushing manufacturers to offer longer Warranty periods to stay competitive .... after S Korea the Chinese now leading the way - I notice that the Jaecoo 7 ICE has a 7 year warranty ........... in line with Kia and Hyundai ......... maybe this will force Euro manufacturers to do the same - which is good for the consumer
Yes the days when the likes of Ford can offer a 1 year warranty are coming to an end, or their sales will plummet. (The local car dealership has been an approved Ford one for at least 40 years, until this year when it switched to Cherry.
Toyota now leading the warranty race I think.(On EVs)
1 Million-Mile/20-Year Powertrain Warranty
100% parts and labor coverage on key powertrain components up to 1 million miles or 20 years — at no additional cost.
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Toyota's ICE warranty is pretty good as well, as if the car is less than <100K miles and <10years old, if its serviced by Toyota then you get a years manufacturer warranty from your service date. No need to buy extended warranties!
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We have just bought a VW Grand California 600 camper van - it came with a 5 year + promise
5 free services, (VW recommend one every 2 years or every 20K) and the sales guy said that you can spread this over 10 years if you do the normal annual mileage that these camper vans tend to do, a 5 years warranty, (or 124,000 miles), free 3 x MOT's in the 5 year period, 5 year RAC - there was some confusion about the 5 free services but the above was confirmed by the suppling VW Van Centre............ mind yet they are not cheap
5 free services, (VW recommend one every 2 years or every 20K) and the sales guy said that you can spread this over 10 years if you do the normal annual mileage that these camper vans tend to do, a 5 years warranty, (or 124,000 miles), free 3 x MOT's in the 5 year period, 5 year RAC - there was some confusion about the 5 free services but the above was confirmed by the suppling VW Van Centre............ mind yet they are not cheap
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My sole reason for discriminating against electric powered vehicles is that, at the time, they were sold with a discount paid for from government funds - a bribe to those wealthy enough to pay for the vehicles - and fueled free of taxation by those having off street parking, which again benefits the wealthy.
Like all Conservative party bribes, this was not aimed at the less well off, who might have been well served by giving them the opportunity to purchase or rent a vehicle fueled by tax free electricity.
Like all Conservative party bribes, this was not aimed at the less well off, who might have been well served by giving them the opportunity to purchase or rent a vehicle fueled by tax free electricity.
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As opposed to the Labour bribes for the work shy and irresponsible by paying benefits for life and for unlimited kids
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So very similar to the free motorways built for ICE vehicles?
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I am not a zealot - seriously I am debating whether to get a new EV (possibly another Tesla) when my deal is finished or to go full on mid life crisis and buy a 20 year old Aston Martin DB9 - weird choice I know.
But many decisions are not taken through choice - the massive reduction from 50 years ago with smoking for example, not just choice but through government policy (tax the hell out of it). Lots of our behaviours are changed through other methods than choice
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You could argue that all other things being equal, motorists pay more in tax than non motorists so the road system inc. motorways is not "Free". And it benefits society to have them (transport of goods, emergency service access)
I know you were just trying to prove a point to that repeated argument of EV folk not paying tax!
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But then the less wealthy who live in our cities and congested areas are now benefitting from better lungs and cleaner air as a result of the 'bribe'
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Why is that a problem for you though?
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There is more than one way to look at the cost of something, not just tax, OK the VAT rate on private consumer consumption may only be 5% and at this level it does not compare with the total tax payable on say, petrol
BUT
The UK has the highest Electricity prices in Europe, (mainly because it is generated using expensive imported gas and green levies ........ which feed through to higher prices).
Miliband because of his policies has inflicted on British industry the highest electricity prices in Europe, reducing their competitiveness to a level where he has almost single-handerdly contributed significantly to the de-industrialisation of British industry, who is “pulling it’s hair out” trying to understand why this Labour Government continues to increase it’s costs.
Increased costs in industry increase the cost of living, and who suffers most when consumer electricity prices are high, the poor or the well off?
As far as EV’s are concerned the costs to charge an EV in the UK is the highest in Europe..........
Once again you take a simple fact and look at it in isolation
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I think for some at least the choice to buy EV is down to their car of choice 'not' looking like one. Much as I don't like the Stellantis model of basing their EVs on current ice versions, other people do. They see a Ford looking like a Ford and they like that.
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I watched something on Youtube yesterday about a spate of fires in Land Rover Defenders apparently cause by the DC to DC converter. It was mostly about LR's but there was a passing reference to Audi suffering the same issue which I suppose is hardly surprising as I imagine that the car companies buy these in rather than make them themselves so a problem at a supplier could affect any car maker buying from that supplier. I wondered how these devices worked and if they're similar to the switch mode PSU's I used to fix in my computer days so I looked it up and apparently they are just like those PSU's I used to fix.
I don't know how many switch mode PSU's I fixed, a lot. Anyway. I felt all relevant as I understand how something in an EV works
I don't know how many switch mode PSU's I fixed, a lot. Anyway. I felt all relevant as I understand how something in an EV works
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One that I keep looking at is the Jag F Type but any Aston has to be worth thinking about.
I go off what I can see with my own eyes over what's on the internet, but each to their own.
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I find it rather tiresome when the little blue man and others try to make out that they are somehow superior to the rest of us because they now drive an ev and that we are either stupid for not buying one or are sabotaging the environment. The reason 30% of new vehicle sales are evs is down to incentives and restrictions on ice manufacture. Simple.
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That is not the impression I get.
There are a number of nay-sayers who think that EV is the work of the devil. Thankfully these have dried up but FB used to be full of pics of cars catching fire and people to say "look, another EV" when it was actually an ICE car. So much misinformation.
As I have said, there will be people for who this really doesnt suit or cant afford and thats fine. It does need a small change in habit but EV take less servicing, better performance, have no emissions. If someone says they live in a tower block and do 1,000 miles a week, yes, a diesel is a better option.
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Interesting.
EVangelists used to be like vegans but worse, always banging on about their superiority, etc. I've mentioned on here numerous times in the past that a major factor holding back mass adoption of EVs was the owners themselves. Now they have become more mainstream the early adopters influence has been diluted and it's much easier to consider one as transport instead of a lifestyle choice and political statement.
Most of us just want reliable, reasonable transport with comfort, spaciousness and a decent range. Having a manual gearbox would be much nicer, but those are becoming rare on ICE cars too.
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There's a case for saying it's EV's that are doing that. I think there's a good argument for ICE as it can be done well in the developed world without damaging the environment and exploiting the locals and slaves in the developing world plus done right ICE cars can last for a very long time whereas current battery technology arguably does not have that longevity leading to cars needing to be replaced more often. Plus of course and today we do not have the grid capacity to allow everyone to drive EV's.
These are old arguments and the faithful will never be persuaded otherwise. Improvements in battery or other technologies may change the balance but at the mo for me and I'd argue for anyone being honest and looking at the whole picture EV's as they are today are simply not the thing to replace all ICE with.
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Yes that’s exactly what we have with our Yaris, nothing against EV and eventually will get one but for now why would I get rid of our petrol Yaris, assuming we could afford to