Wild life photography

OP, to get back on topic.

I know there is a couple of lads on here who will think nothing of picking up some fresh road kill, throwing it in the car and putting that out for buzzards etc :)

Some of it bloody stinks to high heaven though.........:gag:
 
Sorry to jump in, but what does a gimble actually do?

I've got a 3 way head that allows be to pan, what extra does a gimble do?
 
Ahh so basically its balanced meaning it will stay where you want quite easily, but its also very easy to swing.

Excellent, thanks :)
 
Pretty much that Dale.

The Manfrotto 393 is a cheap way into Gimbal heads, it is heavier and more cumbersome than others, but does work well.
 
Ahh so basically its balanced meaning it will stay where you want quite easily, but its also very easy to swing.

Excellent, thanks :)


Watch a video here, these are the best I have used, price included.

Ok so a Rolls is better than a Jag but then its a lot more, and a Jag is damn good.

http://www.lensmaster.co.uk/rh2.htm

This man is very well thought of on birding sites and a darn good photograher to boot.

Just remember despite what some may say a lot of photography it is being in the right place at the right time with a camera and luck, or sitting in a place waiting and waiting and waiting.

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Most of mine are on a triopd OR and yes a monopod with a gimbal, I have two, both versions from lensmaster. The new alloy ones are superb, many still have steel, I prefer the lighter and just as strong alloy.
 
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Pretty much that Dale.

The Manfrotto 393 is a cheap way into Gimbal heads, it is heavier and more cumbersome than others, but does work well.

Though it does have problems as reviews have stated.

Small complaints
There are two issues I had with the 393, they were…

Due to the design of the head, you may find the cradle gets in your way when trying to keep it steady with long lens technique – and, depending on your lens you may have to ‘reach round’ to get to some of the controls on the lens. For some, especially those who use manual focus or focus pre-set on newer lenses, may find themselves having to reach around the head to get at the focus ring etc.

Pan movement lock, or lack thereof! This is probably my main grumble about the head…you can’t lock the pan motion, so when your walking about you have to be careful not to let the lens swing about and clump you one in the head! The pan friction can be adjusted although it requires an Allen Key to do so, it isn’t designed to be changed on the fly.

Need to constantly adjust or re adjust with an allen key, poor design and not cheap.
 
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LOL. I'm not sure who's 'going at who' here - I'm certainly not and I'd have thought a thread on wildlife advice was as good a place for gimbal advice as anywhere.

Without a doubt- after a decent long lens, a gimbal head - pretty well any gimbal head - will make the biggest difference to your shots and probably increase your hit rate more than anything else, but he choices on the market can be a bit bewildering when you don't know much about them.

Jeremy's Lensmaster looks OK and a big plus is that it has a proper ball race for smooth panning movement and no play which is very important. The Manfrotto 393 doesn't have a ball race and it's one it's weaker points although it's very good in other areas. The weak point of the Lensmaster and many others s that it only supports the lens from a pivot point on one side, so the weight isn't acting down through the centre of the tripod. This is no problem as long as you take a proper engineering solution to address the shortcomings of this design. Whether it's a steel or alloy just bending a piece of metal to right angles isn't the elegant answer and is obviously a lot to do with the price of this gimbal.

The Jobo gimbal I bought recently addresses the problem seriously as you can see...


Jobo gimbal by
tonky8203, on Flickr

The Wimberley which is just about the most expensive on the market approaches the problem with a similar solution, but when you start to look at the tooling costs involved you can see how prices soon start to head Northwards.

I rate this gimbal better than the Dietmar Nill I have which is actually more expensive so I agree with Jeremy that dearer doesn't necessarily mean better, but you can't realistically ignore the fact that at the low end of the gimbal market there is a price to be paid in build quality which ultimately means stability.. How much you want to pay will depend on how serious you are, and how much of your hard earned lolly you want to part with, but choose carefully and try to just do it once - it's cheaper in the end. ;)

That adjustable mount height on the Jobo is the first gimbal I've had with this function and it makes a huge difference to balancing lenses of various weights optimally for ease of use. I regularly use the 500mm, 300mm and 70-200 so this is a very useful feature for me. Basically, the heavier the camera/lens combo the higher it needs to be raised.
 
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Also with the lensmaster a very good point is that within three minutes it can be stripped down, cleaned and put back together and uses PTFE bearings/brass.

I would not like to strip down the one above after a day in the mud.

As for low end market being unstable etc, sorry, I have to reiterate, try the lensmaster, the comment does not apply here in any shape or form.

Why, because it is designed and built by a chap who is a photographer, as and when they are ordered, in fact built to order, no overheads as per large company, sales by word of mouth and so on, if this were sold by intro2020 as an example I would see it easily £300.
 
Who wants to be stripping a gimbal down after a day in the mud? The bearings on the Jobo are lubricated and sealed for life.

The Lensmaster is obviously a good choice for you Jeremy and you're clearly happy with it, but just give up on trying to convince us it's the right choice for everyone. ;)

EDIT.

Incidentally the Dietmar Nill gimbal I have is named after the famous German wildlife photographer who designed it. He got some things right but not others.
 
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LOL. I'm not sure who's 'going at who' here - I'm certainly not and I'd have thought a thread on wildlife advice was as good a place for gimbal advice as anywhere.

But the OP asked about how to entice animals to an area, there was no mention of what equipment was needed. :)

I've no issue with people talking about equipment and debating the pro's and con's of each make but that wasn't what the thread was on about.
 
But the OP asked about how to entice animals to an area, there was no mention of what equipment was needed. :)

I've no issue with people talking about equipment and debating the pro's and con's of each make but that wasn't what the thread was on about.

OK that's fair does - I didn't raise the subject of gimbals but it was introduced into the thread and is pretty good advice. Personally, I'd have advised a gimbal before a gilly suit - suitable country clothing is more than up to the job - Barbour jackets and similar coats in a suitable green brown colour are fine and don't leave you looking like an SAS guy on a mission. :D
 
Who wants to be stripping a gimbal down after a day in the mud? The bearings on the Jobo are lubricated and sealed for life.

The Lensmaster is obviously a good choice for you Jeremy and you're clearly happy with it, but just give up on trying to convince us it's the right choice for everyone. ;)

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Incidentally the Dietmar Nill gimbal I have is named after the famous German wildlife photographer who designed it. He got some things right but not others.

Im not, I am stating the differences and reasons why I would chose one over another as anyone would, owning a car, boat, flat, house, and pointing out the benefits, and that is what forums are about.
 
But the OP asked about how to entice animals to an area, there was no mention of what equipment was needed. :)

I've no issue with people talking about equipment and debating the pro's and con's of each make but that wasn't what the thread was on about.

So we have to stay 100% on topic, at all times, surely how to entice animals also comes under, sitting still, being quiet and having the appropriate equipment to use not to scare animals off once they are there.

Someone may have simply thought chucking down some old bread and sitting for hours with a camera to their eye was all there was.
 
Im not, I am stating the differences and reasons why I would chose one over another as anyone would, owning a car, boat, flat, house, and pointing out the benefits, and that is what forums are about.


OK Jeremy - we know what forums are about and this one particularly - will you please stop telling us - we've been here a fair while :D There's nothing wrong with offering advice as long as it's impartial -and yours is a long way from being that. Relax! :wave:
 
So we have to stay 100% on topic, at all times, surely how to entice animals also comes under, sitting still, being quiet and having the appropriate equipment to use not to scare animals off once they are there.

Someone may have simply thought chucking down some old bread and sitting for hours with a camera to their eye was all there was.

There you go - something we agree on. Sitting quiet and still and taking advantage of any natural cover is mostly all you need.
 
Hi Harvey, best advice for birds as mentioned. Setup some feeders and natural looking perches if possible in the garden, if you have a small wooded area around you then you might want to set one or two up there as well. Have a backup plan, depending on time of day or year have the feeders in the garden and woods so you could perhaps use one AM and the other PM. I have myself some thick army surplus gear and nothing else, I have yet to go down with frostbite :D If you are in the garden then gaining the birds trust is your best tool and it comes free of charge. I always used to give a short repeated whistle sound when I took Mealworms out for the Robin. It was not long before the others would be down as well as I would also top up the feeders. I have had Long tailed tits aprox 18" feeding off of the suet block whilst I filled up the seed feeders before now. Are there any Deer in your area :shrug: depending on the habitat they will usualy follow the same route through woodland or whatever cover there is to get to their usual grazing patch, so plenty of chances to work on something there.
 
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Actually the OP did ask about Gimbals but his post is well hidden amongst JSERs :D

A good way to attract Magpies etc is to pour some heinz spaghetti down, it resembles road kill and it works very well :thumbs:
 
So we have to stay 100% on topic, at all times,

As close to the topic as possible, otherwise why don't we just have one massive photography thread were we talk about everything photography related and then spend hours trawling through it.


Actually the OP did ask about Gimbals but his post is well hidden amongst JSERs :D

A good way to attract Magpies etc is to pour some heinz spaghetti down, it resembles road kill and it works very well :thumbs:

But what came first, JSER's gimbal or the OP's question ;)

That's a good tip, never heard that before. We've a few magpies round my area but they are very skittish so i'll have to try that.
 
As close to the topic as possible, otherwise why don't we just have one massive photography thread were we talk about everything photography related and then spend hours trawling through it.




But what came first, JSER's gimbal or the OP's question ;)

Does it really matter that much :shrug: The OP posed a question and those who replied were only giving advice which they thought might be of value. What equipment to use is all part and parcel of that and is imo not going off topic. If people want to debate what is best and give their reasons for and against then great, it gives those without any knowledge a good idea of things they knew Jack about.
 
I would say that baiting an area with food is definitely a good way to get wildlife shots (though it won't work for all species). Make sure that you choose your spot well and that you think about where you will shoot from and what your background will be before staring putting food down. Make sure that the place you are putting food is not going to have any negative effect on the birds/animals. Personally I would warn off using flash - many species will react badly to it and it does make the images look very staged - natural light will give natural looking shots.

As for gimbals... I love using them when shooting wildlife. Personally I uss Jobu heads and am very impressed with them. Got my first one ~5 years ago and despite suffering a fair bit of abuse it's not missed a beat. I'd definitely recommend them - http://www.tripods-heads-gimbals.com/products/gimbals__jobu_accessories/jobu_gimbal_heads/
 
As for gimbals... I love using them when shooting wildlife. Personally I uss Jobu heads and am very impressed with them. Got my first one ~5 years ago and despite suffering a fair bit of abuse it's not missed a beat. I'd definitely recommend them - http://www.tripods-heads-gimbals.com/products/gimbals__jobu_accessories/jobu_gimbal_heads/

I have to agree, having owned several different ones, the Jobu strikes a fine balance of cost / quality, well made and work well :thumbs:
 
Just remember despite what some may say a lot of photography it is being in the right place at the right time with a camera and luck, or sitting in a place waiting and waiting and waiting.


No, the majority is about time spent watching and learning about ones subject. One then learns where one should be for the resulting photos, at which time of day to be there and how not to frighten the life out of the subject.
 
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