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My 35mm f/1.8G required a full 20 points micro adjustment on my new D7000. Would you send this back?
 
Before and after shots?

I'm not doubting you, its just that sometimes with MA, you can see a very small issue, become paranoid about it then make it worse (I've done that!! Saying that MA is very useful indeed!).

20 adjustment points does seem an awful lot.
 
I'm not posting before and after shots, Jim. I know when a lens is out, mate. Extensive tests done today on charts and live subjects. The lens is consistently massively out.
 
I'll add that it's blisteringly sharp now even wide open.
 
Fair do's. If its sharp now I'd leave it at that, but it definitely sounds like a front or back focusing issue. Only other thing I'd ask, have you tried it on another body and did it need MA (if that body had MA)?
 
I have no other body to try it on. Both are new and I sold my D700. I've tried a couple of zooms on the body and they needed adjustment too, so it is possible the body isn't calibrated correctly. I'll wait till my other lenses arrive to be sure.
 
Yes, I realise that, but 20 points does suggest a fault, surely?
 
If it needs 20 points on your D7000, my worry would be that it could be out beyond the compensation range on another body. Of course, it could be well within the range but it's not a risk I'd want to take. Did you buy it new?
 
Yes, it's new. Bought online from Jessops as they had the best price and I assume I can return it to a shop.

EDIT: Actually, call me a liar -it's 18 pts.
 
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Surely that is the point of MA? I wouldn't be concerned if I had to dial in 18 points, as long as it dials in I would keep it
 
Its your money, are you happy with the product? is it fit for use? Send it back, if your wrong then your wrong and find out the 'other' problem. Sounds to me like you know your stuff.

Should it have been me, I would check as much as i could then if still unhappy, return it.

What have you lost by doing so?
 
The23rdman said:
My 35mm f/1.8G required a full 20 points micro adjustment on my new D7000. Would you send this back?
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I had a 50 1.4G that even 20 MA was not enough to correct, so I sent it back, the replacement was stellar.

The thing is Dean if you are not happy with it, if there is always going to be a nagging doubt at the back of your mind about the lens it will drive you nuts.

I would get it exchanged.
 
If bought online you can send it back no questions asked under the "Distance selling regulations" refund or replacement is your choice.

Theres a Jessops store in Leeds, get the replacement sent there or take it there and try a few out first
 
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I'd like to replace in person if possible so I can make sure the replacement is as sharp.
 
Dean, seems you know that it needs to go back - I doubt you need us to tell you that. Like you, I'd wanna go back in person to make sure the replacement is better...
 
It's such a bloody shame after all my troubles with Nikon I've stuck with them and even buying new I'm having bad luck.
 
Don't say that, we're in the market for one of those too! ;)
 
It's a very simple answer.

The23rdman said:
I know when a lens is out, mate.
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You have decided the lens is out, you have the ability to get a replacement. Return it and get a new one. You wouldn't have posted if you were happy with the situ. If you are going to spend the next few years thinking 'should I have returned it when I had the chance', then it's just going to mean you are kicking yourself for even longer.
 
Yeah, I know. It's just another ****ing lens hassle for me. Considering another line of work...
 
The23rdman said:
Yeah, I know. It's just another ****ing lens hassle for me. Considering another line of work...
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I appreciate this, and I'm sorry to hear you've had so many problems. Hopefully once you've hit the sweet spot with the body and glass, you won't need to think about it for many years to come.

Just out of interest, which focus test chart did you use?
 
Ive never known anyone had so much bad luck... All my lenses have been spot on every time or at least close enough to not be an issue, and Ive had a lot!

Have you had an eye test recently? :lol:

^^^^JOKE^^^^
 
I'm not suggesting that your wrong with the whole lens focussing issue but I'm sure I read somewhere that it's rare for the lens to have a problem with it's focussing, it's usually a case of the photographer poorly focussing.

It may have been a Nikon spokesman or someone who know people in the Nikon company because I remember the article saying that a lot of the lenses that come back to the factory have absolutely nothing wrong with them and they send them back the customer.
 
mastertrinity said:
I'm not suggesting that your wrong with the whole lens focussing issue but I'm sure I read somewhere that it's rare for the lens to have a problem with it's focussing, it's usually a case of the photographer poorly focussing.

It may have been a Nikon spokesman or someone who know people in the Nikon company because I remember the article saying that a lot of the lenses that come back to the factory have absolutely nothing wrong with them and they send them back the customer.
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I know how to focus a camera. If that wasn't the case I'd have a consistant problem with all lenses and would notice the difference on a tripod.
 
mastertrinity said:
I'm not suggesting that your wrong with the whole lens focussing issue but I'm sure I read somewhere that it's rare for the lens to have a problem with it's focussing, it's usually a case of the photographer poorly focussing.

It may have been a Nikon spokesman or someone who know people in the Nikon company because I remember the article saying that a lot of the lenses that come back to the factory have absolutely nothing wrong with them and they send them back the customer.
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Camera bodies and lenses are built and tested to a predetermined tolerance. If, say, tolerance is set at "perfect" +/- 5%, then a lens that is 4% front-focussing will pass inspection as there is technically nothing wrong with it. Put that lens on a body that's "perfect" and you probably wouldn't notice an issue. Put it on a body that itself tests as 4% back-focussing (also within tolerance) and it'll look great because the body will cancel out the lens. Problems occur when you put that lens on a body that front-focusses by more than 1%, as the combined effect is outside the 5% tolerance.

Of the 8-9 lenses I use most, only two didn't require any micro adjustment at all, although none needed anywhere near +/- 20 (the maximum available adjustment on my body).
 
Well MA is meant to be a customer solution to minor focusing issues rather than having Nikon do it. It seems to me Dean that you've only used around a third of the total MA range provided anyway, so I don't think I'd be worrying about it. The lens is calibrated to the body now and you're getting sharp results. :shrug:
 
CT said:
Well MA is meant to be a customer solution to minor focusing issues rather than having Nikon do it. It seems to me Dean that you've only used around a third of the total MA range provided anyway, so I don't think I'd be worrying about it. The lens is calibrated to the body now and you're getting sharp results. :shrug:
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Really? I thought 20 was the Max. If that's not the case I'm happy.
 
You've mentioned that a couple of your zooms are out as well, which would imply to me that the camera and the 35mm are at opposite ends of the tolerance spectrum.

Since they're both new it would be worth checking if Nikon UK will focus match them under warranty. If they are prepared to do it then the result that you'll get back will be miles better than anything you could buy off the shelf, or a replacement.
 
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Really? I thought 20 was the Max. If that's not the case I'm happy.
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Ah sorry Dean - there's me making the massive assumption that Nikon use the same +/- 50 adjustment range as Canon. If you're that close to the max adjustment then I think you're right to be a bit concerned.
 
CT said:
Ah sorry Dean - there's me making the massive assumption that Nikon use the same +/- 50 adjustment range as Canon. If you're that close to the max adjustment then I think you're right to be a bit concerned.
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I'm not sure which camera you're basing that on Cedric, but my 7D & 1D only have a +/- of 20 available as well! :)
 
Tokkelossi said:
Its your money, are you happy with the product? is it fit for use? Send it back, if your wrong then your wrong and find out the 'other' problem. Sounds to me like you know your stuff.

Should it have been me, I would check as much as i could then if still unhappy, return it.

What have you lost by doing so?
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+1 :thumbs:
 
DemiLion said:
I'm not sure which camera you're basing that on Cedric, but my 7D & 1D only have a +/- of 20 available as well! :)
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LOL OK I'm gonna go and lie down somewhere quiet then. :D
 
DemiLion said:
You've mentioned that a couple of your zooms are out as well, which would imply to me that the camera and the 35mm are at opposite ends of the tolerance spectrum.

Since they're both new it would be worth checking if Nikon UK will focus match them under warranty. If they are prepared to do it then the result that you'll get back will be miles better than anything you could buy off the shelf, or a replacement.
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Yeah, maybe. Except I'm then without a camera for god knows how long.
 
The23rdman said:
Yeah, maybe. Except I'm then without a camera for god knows how long.
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That depends on whether you've got a Nikon service centre nearby. If you have then it's a one day job (prebooked). If not add two days postage either way. :)
 
scottthehat said:
dean take it back and get one your happy with if your not happy with that then it might be worth looking at the body.
keep your chin up mate, i know its hard but im sure it will all work out in the end and you will be a happy bunny.
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Bloody hope so! I'm committed to Nikon now.

DemiLion said:
That depends on whether you've got a Nikon service centre nearby. If you have then it's a one day job (prebooked). If not add two days postage either way. :)
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Coolio.
 
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