Lol, that glass of wine we said we'd have - will definitely have to be in the City then. The times it annoys me most is when I'm trying to duck away from the dog and asking the owner to call it away from me.
My son loves dogs and went walking up to a dog on a lead, closely chased by me to get hold of him and the dog owner looked at me and said "My dog isn't friendly". I nodded and took my son away.
How do suggest I react then when your 'friendly' dogs run towards my 6 month old?
Please, I am seriously interested in this.
Using phrases like 'boisterous' 'affectionate' .....'loveable' friendly' cuddly' 'droopy eyes' or however soppy it is made to sound....really isnt want i have wanted to hear at the time in the situations I've witnessed.
Bearing in mind:
- I dont know your dogs.
- You dont know what their next move is either (you can guess, but you cant possibly know for fact). Hot day, dog unwell, having a bad day...anything really.
Should I politely phone the police, giving my location, while the dog is all over my young daughter?
How do you report someone if they are reluctant? Should I expect them to comply? (bearing in mind the ignorance they have just demonstrated at a basic level).
Why do these owners assume that everyone will like a dog jumping on them? I'm not talking about a dog jumping up for attention here (althought this is also very wrong and smacks of bad ownership IMVHO), this is a lab sized dog on a 6 month old child treating them (or attempting to until I stopped it!) like a toy. Acceptable?
How would you handle this? This is a dog running towards us, away from it's owner who is standing uselessly shouting this like 'Shep, Shep, SHEPPP' (ermm Shep isnt hearing or caring, it sees a 'toy' 6 month old to play with). Not really a great situation or reassuring words from the 'owner'.
I'm not part of any 'intolerant hoard' either, just presenting my experience (happened more than once), and I'm now always aware of it because of past experiences with the eldest daughter as well. I dont think my 2 kids are the only 2 kids in the country who have had this, I cant see me being that unlucky somehow
Do you expect young kids (and I mean very young here) to accept this with open arms and not grow up with a fear (and I do my best to avoid this, believe me)
I am saying 'you', and of course, not you personally
You D) say you havent experienced any antagonism towards your pets, and you shouldnt have either as you are responsible owner, but please try to see it from the eyes of a parent with a young child and not every 'owner' being as responsible? I'm not anti dog either, but I am pro daughters. I'm sure you dont disagree with the above that much, but just trying to give you a view from my POV rather than looking at it as someone attacking your dog?
You shouldn't get a dog then never let it run. I walk my dog all over the local countryside and rarely does she go on the lead. Mind you she is well trained. She is also fit and happy.
I walk my dog twice a day for the recommended time, always on a tight leash. .................. he is over 9 stone ............When someone aproaches on the same side of the road i shorten the lead and stop walking allowing the person to aproch us....................:
My 12 y/o GSD has never, not once, approached a child (or an adult for that matter) of her own volition. We do regularly, however, get kids legging it across the park, or across the road etc., hands outstetched bleating "awwww can we stroke it?" We always ask them to wait, tell the dog to sit, and then the dog fussing begins (which she will tolerate for hours on end).
Uninformed preconceptions of my dog, based purely on her breed, drive me nuts too. We see that on an almost daily basis too.
I'd recommend trying to get him to walk nicely on a LOOSE leash. A big powerful dog should not need to be physically controlled.
Any tension in your body travels down the lead and will cause your dog to tense...
I literally have my lead looped over one finger when I'm walking (admittedtly only a 6kg Cavalier king Charles) mine. Being on the lead is more of a signal to her to walk beside me than a restraint.
I have been bitten twice in the last ten years by dogs (both were terrier types) who have been off the lead, well away from their owners. On both occasions the owners were anything but apologetic, and one ended up threatening me unles I "shut the ****** up".
Uninformed preconceptions of my dog, based purely on her breed, drive me nuts too. We see that on an almost daily basis.
How do suggest I react then when your 'friendly' dogs run towards my 6 month old?
Please, I am seriously interested in this.
Using phrases like 'boisterous' 'affectionate' .....'loveable' friendly' cuddly' 'droopy eyes' or however soppy it is made to sound....really isnt want i have wanted to hear at the time in the situations I've witnessed.
Bearing in mind:
- I dont know your dogs.
- You dont know what their next move is either (you can guess, but you cant possibly know for fact). Hot day, dog unwell, having a bad day...anything really.
Should I politely phone the police, giving my location, while the dog is all over my young daughter?
How do you report someone if they are reluctant? Should I expect them to comply? (bearing in mind the ignorance they have just demonstrated at a basic level).
Why do these owners assume that everyone will like a dog jumping on them? I'm not talking about a dog jumping up for attention here (althought this is also very wrong and smacks of bad ownership IMVHO), this is a lab sized dog on a 6 month old child treating them (or attempting to until I stopped it!) like a toy. Acceptable?
How would you handle this? This is a dog running towards us, away from it's owner who is standing uselessly shouting this like 'Shep, Shep, SHEPPP' (ermm Shep isnt hearing or caring, it sees a 'toy' 6 month old to play with). Not really a great situation or reassuring words from the 'owner'.
I'm not part of any 'intolerant hoard' either, just presenting my experience (happened more than once), and I'm now always aware of it because of past experiences with the eldest daughter as well. I dont think my 2 kids are the only 2 kids in the country who have had this, I cant see me being that unlucky somehow
Do you expect young kids (and I mean very young here) to accept this with open arms and not grow up with a fear (and I do my best to avoid this, believe me)
I am saying 'you', and of course, not you personally
You D) say you havent experienced any antagonism towards your pets, and you shouldnt have either as you are responsible owner, but please try to see it from the eyes of a parent with a young child and not every 'owner' being as responsible? I'm not anti dog either, but I am pro daughters. I'm sure you dont disagree with the above that much, but just trying to give you a view from my POV rather than looking at it as someone attacking your dog?
It is usually clear very quickly what the dogs intentions are.
The problem with this attitude, is that most dog owners where I live think this way, which results in very few dogs being kept on their leads in our local nature reserve (despite adequate signing to let dog owners know that - ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT ON A LEAD AT ALL TIMES.
I have been bitten twice in the last ten years by dogs (both were terrier types) who have been off the lead, well away from their owners. On both occasions the owners were anything but apologetic, and one ended up threatening me unles I "shut the ****** up".
I actually like dogs (can hardly ever eat a whole one though), but I have grown to thoroughly dislike the actions and attitudes of MOST dog owners, who seem to think that the rest of us should have to put up with their dirty and irresponsible behaviour.
Rant over,
Happy New Year everyone
The only issue i had so far was with a guy walking his dog and allowed it close to mine, they got friendly however my dog slobbered on his dog and he was raging and proceded to go off in a bad mood to wash his dog down---dont allow your dog near mine if your worried about that...
So if it starts mauling her and isnt 'friendly', I should be able to spot that pretty quickly then within a second or two? I think i'll stick with the prevention method, thanks anyway.
joescrivens said:I assume you made sure both dogs were put down?
Dogs don't get put down if they just bite someone, neither is there a lawful authority to do so.
**Seriously** injuring someone while being dangerously out of control is different.
joescrivens said:Why not?
If a dog bites someone whilst not being provoked etc then it should be put down surely? I personally would put my dog down if it had bitten someone whilst not be provoked. When my dog bit me I deserved it as I was really annoying him.
did I miss something? I was actually backing you using the prevention method, just doing it a lot more calmly than you are giving the impression you currently do. I would certainly not condem you for using force against a genuinely agressive dog either btw, I would do the same, as I think anyone in this thread probably would too. I was simply saying that if you already pick them up when you see a dog approaching, continue to do that, but if the dog arrives [child in your arms at this point] and is apparently friendly, don't react like it isn't... I am not saying you do, it is just your text is currently giving the impression that you assume every dog is man killer and act accordingly. :shrug:
That's just silly.
My cat bites people sometimes. Should we put cats down when they bite someone? My brothers parrot also bites, should we put that down?
Don't get me started on gerbals or hamsters...
The law doesn't support it either, and quite rightly.
joescrivens said:lets just keep it to dogs, these comparisons don't work.
If a dog is shown to have bitten somebody unprovoked then it has now shown it has the potential to do so. Why would you risk it happening again when it could be to a baby or a small child young enugh that the bite could badly injure/kill that person?
No the comparison doesn't work for you! I'm just putting what you're saying in perspective. A dog can bite or nip at someone for different reasons, but if it does usually it's self defence because its scared. It's rare it'll bite to deliberately cause serious harm and the law acknowledges that.
And as pointed out, there have only been 5 serious dog attacks in the uk that in as many years so we really do need to keep it in perspective.
Good training should see a dog listen to its owner above anything else.
Ah you mean like children do? Or do you expect your dog to have more respect for you than your children have for you?
IMO, children and dogs should be under complete control in public. If that means keeping them on a lead and/or muzzled, so be it!
Our pooch is on a lead whenever she's walked, and thoroughly cleaned up after as well. That said, the only time she's allowed off the lead is when we take her in the car to a beach at the arse end of Sheppey which is pretty much used only by dog walkers (as it's so out of the way), and there she can run around to her hearts content for a while. Still clean up after her there as well though.
Personally I can think of a good few children who also ought to be kept on a leash whenever they're out
Yup, see blue comment above.
why would someone try and hurt a dog if the dog wasn't being an issue?
Because some people are *****.
I know I'm short but I'd like to see your little ones reach my thigh
Short? Compared to Yv? Blimey!
FTR, the last dog my parents had was put down after a single bite - of a cyclist who damn near knocked my mother over and kicked at the dog as he zoomed past. The cyclist didn't hang around and demand the dog be put down but it was always understood that if a dog ever had a bite at anyone, it would be put down.
My biggest problem isn't with the animals but the walkers. Most will (these days) pick up after their dog and some even dispose of the bags in the correct manner but plenty seem to think that it's OK to lob the bag over a fence, into a river, hang it on a tree etc.
My wifes' sister has an unruly Bijon Frieze (spelling) that I truly hate. Dogs need to have a master & be controlled
So if it starts mauling her and isnt 'friendly', I should be able to spot that pretty quickly then within a second or two? I think i'll stick with the prevention method, thanks anyway.
My wifes' sister has an unruly Bijon Frieze (spelling) that I truly hate. Dogs need to have a mistress & be controlled
Bit like a man then
I've got my tin hat ready
Overexposed said:I'm a dog owner with 2 Golden Retreivers who love people and kids - I've read all your posts regarding this and to be honest if you want to scare your kids about dogs you are going the right way about it - you'll give them a life time of phobias. By all means be cautious but rather than lashing out, most dog owners will be more than happy to get your kids comfortable around their dog.
I have to say if you are putting a 6 month old down where dogs are charging around, then just maybe its not the right place to put them down.
Lol could you be any more ignorant and wide of the points i raise above (and patronising)? Your post sums it up for me and confirms there really are people out there who think like this. It's never the dogs fault.
I'm leaving this one, nothing more to add.
Cheers.
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Mahone said:I think Cat owners are worse than dog owners. I have a neighbour who has 3 cats. They regularly use our front garden a litter tray so when it is quiet at night I collect it all in a bag and deposit on their front garden!