Yashica 44 - Project Beater

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My next project camera hasn't arrived yet but I've started building components for it while my InsTLR build is on hold waiting for the printer to do some testing with PETG instead of ABS. I figured I may as well start a thread for it now to get my creative mind working :0)

As I'm planning on converting the Yashica to shoot 35mm full time and it's missing the original nameplate, I've decided it needs a new logo. I started playing around with ideas this afternoon and came up with this;

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I'm going to draw up and print a new nameplate with the lettering standing out from it.

The second piece I need to work on after reading a few posts online about the conversion is the best way to get the film spacing right without having backing paper like the original 127 film. A few posts talk about turning the crank 1.5 times to start with and then reduce to a single turn part way through the roll of film. That sounds like a reasonable plan except my camera is a 44A with a knob instead of a crank so it's much harder to determine that.

I came across another post saying that each shot requires 12 sprocket holes between them to align properly and talked about using a piece of plastic from a binder to give a click at each sprocket which sounds to me like a pain to use and hear in anywhere other than a library! After thinking for a while and looking at counter gearing I thought about a basic digital counter using a clock chip and an LCD readout. After digging around I found these finger counters that are exactly what I need for the grand total of 99p!

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These units have a basic circuit with a counter button, a reset button and an lcd screen that counts up every time the button is pressed. My plan is to replace the button with a small spring contact that the film is fed through so, as the film is wound on, the circuit is broken by the film between the sprocket holes. As the winding continues, the spring contact makes the circuit again as it reaches a sprocket hole and the screen displays the next number upwards. Assuming my plan works, I will just need to wind on until the counter displays 12, press the reset button to return it to zero and take the photo....simple

I've already made the Spring contact using a battery terminal taken from my donor Instax Mini and the hotshoe terminal from Wontolla's 35RC I built (thanks Baz!). I just had to grind the battery terminal down slightly to the width of the sprocket hole and it seems to be working as expected.

I bought the counter unit earlier today so should have it on Friday so I can start disassembling. If I can make it fit, I'm going to mount the lcd screen to the inside of the rear door so that the number is visible through the original sliding rear window used to check frame number :0)

Sorry for the long post, bit of a brain dump! Oh, I've also been in touch with CameraLeathers about a replacement black leather skin so that's ready to order, assuming I can actually get the camera to work in the first place!

Cheers
Steve
 
I'm watching! :D
 
This looks a great project, watching with interest
 
Another project for me to watch in a slightly bemused but excited way.

A 'finger counter' now forgive me if im wrong but isn't 10 the correct amount, i'm not sure there's much of a market for a device to count your fingers..... madness. :D
 
Another project for me to watch in a slightly bemused but excited way.

A 'finger counter' now forgive me if im wrong but isn't 10 the correct amount, i'm not sure there's much of a market for a device to count your fingers..... madness. :D


Remember the combination to the Addams Family Vault... Eyes, Fingers, Toes - 2,10,11 ;)
 
It's not the prettiest of buttons but the sprung contact connects/disconnects as the film moves through it so it should do the job nicely.

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Looking at some photos online, I think it should fit in the base of the camera, before the 127 spool but I'll know for sure when I get it.
 
It doesn't, not without minor modifications. You need to remove part of the bit where the source roll goes. I've got a couple of empty 127 Spools if you need one.
 
I'll be watching this with inerest, quite a few 44's about for sensible money now that 127 film is soooo expensive.
 
Sorry bud, I mean in the other end of the camera where the exposed film is wound on the spool. I've seen that I'll need to remove the roller from the top of the camera so the 35mm film canister can fit.

Thanks for the offer of the spool though, I don't know if this camera has got one so if it hasn't I'll definitely take you up on it. Cheers
 
The other conversion I'll be doing is fitting the rewind knob from a 35mm camera into the side of the camera to replace the 127 holder so I can rewind the film back into the canister. I saw a video on YouTube of a Japanese modder who did the same so I'm on the lookout for some spares because I thought I had one off my parts OM2 but I seem to have lost it [emoji20]

View: https://youtu.be/--ZxI3ABhww
 
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Actually, thinking about that I'd have to have some way of temporarily disengaging the 127 spool from the main winding mechanism so I could rewind the film (like a rewind button on an SLR) which is bound to be a pita. I think I'll come back to that one when I've got the camera in front of me.
 
My Yashica 635 has the same ratchet system like all TLRs to wind on the film and stop it winding back to keep it tight. As the 635 can also shoot 35mm it has an extra button that works in the same way as an SLR to release the ratchet and let me rewind the 35mm film back into the spool. I'm wondering if the 44 has the same internals just on a smaller scale? If it does, I could potentially add a button to disengage the ratchet from the outside in the same way.
 
Thanks for the vote of confidence Baz. I keep being reminded that I'm supposed to write a build article for your 35RC for the 35mmc.com website. I've promised it for this week so need to get on with it!
 
Thanks for the vote of confidence Baz. I keep being reminded that I'm supposed to write a build article for your 35RC for the 35mmc.com website. I've promised it for this week so need to get on with it!

OOooo, yes I forgot about that!
Please let me know when you do it Steve, I really would like to read it!
 
Will do Baz. I've got a batch of photos I shot for a drama group the other night to edit as well so the build article is starting to feel like homework that I keep putting off. Maybe I could say that my dog ate it? ;0)
 
I could write you a note and sign it 'Steve's Dad' !
 
Another project for me to watch in a slightly bemused but excited way.

A 'finger counter' now forgive me if im wrong but isn't 10 the correct amount, i'm not sure there's much of a market for a device to count your fingers..... madness. :D

Always interesting to watch Steve's projects!

Even worse Andy, I'm hoping this finger counter goes up to 12 so I ordered the "Deliverance Edition"..



As a crap golfer, any score over 10 is referred to as a "Norfolk handful"! (Or a Tiverton handful if the player is sure there are no visitors from Tiverton within earshot!)
 
Yay, it's arrived and apart from being in need of a good clean and the shutter button sticking in, it all appears to be working! There's a yellow filter with it but that doesn't seem to be for it randomly but that's not the end of the world.

My digital counter has also arrived and the LCD panel looks like it will be a good fit for the rear window if I can get it to fit underneath the pressure plate. First job later is to attack it with lighter fluid and lens cleaning cloths ;0)
 
The lenses have both cleaned up nicely with a couple of glasses wipes and I reckon my spring button will fit perfectly :0) I don't know about disabling the rather yet, I'll have to take the side plate off once I've removed the skin to see if there's any way to disable it while I rewind the film. I reckon I can print an adaptor to let me wind the film back into the spool so long as the take up spool can be released.

I've also opened up the digits counter and the circuit board is pretty thin apart from moving the 2 watch batteries that are fitted to the rear of it.
 
After a lot of lighter fluid and working of it, the shutter button isn't sticking anymore. I've also stripped the digital counter down to just the screen, circuit and battery. It won't fit under the original pressure plate though so I'm drawing up a replacement guide for the film that will slot into the film gate and keep it flat without adding much extra height. That will let me fit the counter circuit and battery to the rear door with space to spare.
 
All you need to do now is work up a circuit that will let the count be the actual number of shots taken, and of course find somewhere to fit it in.;)
 
Well, I've started removing bits :0)

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I love the fact that the label says "Use 127 film only" but the shot clearly shows the 135 cassette!

Awesome, I've just figured out that I only need one battery to work the counter. The second battery is just for the light so that's going :0)

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No reason for the battery to be (what looks like) an LR44, so maybe something slimmer could reduce the final depth?
 
I love the fact that the label says "Use 127 film only" but the shot clearly shows the 135 cassette!



No reason for the battery to be (what looks like) an LR44, so maybe something slimmer could reduce the final depth?

You could use a AG10 battery, about half the thickness of the LR44
 
All you need to do now is work up a circuit that will let the count be the actual number of shots taken, and of course find somewhere to fit it in.;)

I reckon 10 sprocket holes should be enough to space the images properly so I could just cover the single digits on the LCD. When it reaches 10, I'll just see 1 then as the first shot, 20 as the second etc. I'll do some testing once the sprung contact is in place.

I love the fact that the label says "Use 127 film only" but the shot clearly shows the 135 cassette!

I hadn't thought of that, might have to get a new sticker made up saying "Use 135 film only" instead ;0)


No reason for the battery to be (what looks like) an LR44, so maybe something slimmer could reduce the final depth?

I'm not sure what the batteries are but they're thinner than an Lr44. I'll look into the other battery option though if I need the space.

I was thinking about how to rewind the 35mm this morning and realised that if in permanently bond the left side of the winding spool to the sprung release knob I can pull it away from the right hand socket where the winder is connected to while the camera is closed. If I then keep that pulled out I could rewind the film which would mean no need to make any modifications to the outside of the camera.

I've also cut a notch into the metal 127 spool I've got and bent it upwards to the sprocket hole of the 35mm film is held in place and winds on.
 
I reckon 10 sprocket holes should be enough to space the images properly so I could just cover the single digits on the LCD. When it reaches 10, I'll just see 1 then as the first shot, 20 as the second etc. I'll do some testing once the sprung contact is in place.


There are normally 8 holes per frame on normal 35mm film,( well my Leica111 has anyway), so 10 should be fine, probably lose 1 frame in 10.
 
I knew a Zenit E would come in useful eventually, well, its 35mm winding rod anyway;

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I cut the end off it and shaped the end to fit inside the existing 127 spool holder. I've bonded it with Araldite so am leaving it to dry overnight. It's a tight fit getting a film in/out but should give a neater result than replacing the original rod completely with an SLR rewind knob.

I've also spent some time re-wiring the digital counter to solder the new sprung button to the existing contacts and moving the battery off the back of the circuit. The board/LCD was still too thick to fit in place so I've shaved a few mm off by thinning down the surround and trimming the flexible connector strip that sends signals to the LCD. I've left it all glueing overnight so hopefully that will be secure by the morning and I can start bonding it to the rear door in place.

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Right, the take up spindle is now shaped with 2 grips to hold the film and keep it tight. I've decided to pass the film over the first roller then under the second to give it more tension. As a result, the new pressure plate can be much simpler and thinner than what I was planning.

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I'm going to re-solder the cables for the sprung button so they route out from underneath the circuit to save another mm because it's pretty tight for space!
 
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