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I'm not sure what causing the problem.

I have a few gmail accounts the mails are delivered either pop3 or imap
to thunderbird.
I've been doing it this way for a lot of years.
Just recently, TBird has started refusing to accept emails, the 1st one was a month or so ago, the second one just last week.
desktop W7
I can read them on the web, Gmail.

I get them on my laptop (W11) in Thunderbird
And also in mailspring on my desktop, although this one is not ideal as there are some email hosts that it won't sync with.
I've tried removing and re-instating the emails concerned. But that didn't work.
I've tried adding a totally random new email address, it goes though the registration process and finds the email.
Click to finish and it tells me there is an error and it can't be found.
Any thoughts? Thunderbird help is no use. It doesn't seem to reckonise that there is an issue.
Google is no help either.
TIA

I get this,

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When I click next I get this

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I'm having a couple of issues with two of my email addresses, just the last few hours (my own domains) maybe a network issue.
 
gramps said:
I'm having a couple of issues with two of my email addresses, just the last few hours (my own domains) maybe a network issue.
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This is on going and started about a month ago.
 
Windows 7 and 8 users, and macOS 10.14 and earlier users, may continue using Thunderbird until late 2024. This should give most users ample time to move on to a new operating system on the same device or another device.

could be you system decrepid
 
brman said:
my googling found a few threads with the same issue. The solution appears to be to enable cookies.
eg:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunderbird/comments/15tgopz
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunderbird/comments/15tgopz/trouble_with_thunderbird_with_gmail_accounts/

or https://support.mozilla.org/bm/questions/1421490

That said, I use thunderbird with gmail accounts and don't have "accept cookies from sites" ticked and I have not had a problem (yet....).
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Thanks for that, that's interesting, I think I have accept cookiies ticked, but I'll double check, when I'm back on that system, in the morning.
Mr Bump said:
may continue using Thunderbird until late 2024.
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That's interesting I didn't know that :)

Mr Bump said:
could be you system decrepid
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And there it is, a helpful post, followed by some sort of dig or other :rolleyes:
 
Just a hunch that might be worth trying
Are you using individual sign ins for each mail account?
if so then switching to a master password will save all the others in your TB profile and once working should continue without issue each and every time
 
vintageman said:
Just a hunch that might be worth trying
Are you using individual sign ins for each mail account?
if so then switching to a master password will save all the others in your TB profile and once working should continue without issue each and every time
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I have several email accounts, in 2 groups, and 1 separate password per group.
The 2 faulty ones are on the same password, but so are 3 others, that are working.
 
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What version of Thunderbird are you using?

I note you said the system you are having issues with is running WIN7 and this could well be the cause, version 115 of Thunderbird was the last version that would work with WIN7

Further more because Microsoft no longer support WIN7 Thunderbird for WIN7 will no longer be supported.
 
Milo King said:
What version of Thunderbird are you using?
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115.7.0 It seems this is the latest version?
It does update fairly regularly.
Milo King said:
Further more because Microsoft no longer support WIN7 Thunderbird for WIN7 will no longer be supported.
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Its strange that its only a couple of accounts that are affected though.
It looks like I'll have to start reading them from the web.
Not ideal but there it is.



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Milo King said:
What version of Thunderbird are you using?

I note you said the system you are having issues with is running WIN7 and this could well be the cause, version 115 of Thunderbird was the last version that would work with WIN7

Further more because Microsoft no longer support WIN7 Thunderbird for WIN7 will no longer be supported.
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yup i said that.....
 
Cobra said:
115.7.0 It seems this is the latest version?
It does update fairly regularly.


Its strange that its only a couple of accounts that are affected though.
It looks like I'll have to start reading them from the web.
Not ideal but there it is.



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Unfortunately that's how it goes sometimes, things will start to degrade and stop working and eventually be of no use at all.

There are places online where you can obtain older copies of Thunderbird to try and restore usability but they are unsupported and you could leave yourself vulnerable by using them - I can link you to such a place if you wish?
 
Milo King said:
I can link you to such a place if you wish?
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Thanks for the offer, As above it does work on my laptop and I can read them off the web.
So I'll stick with that, for now or try another mail client :)
 
Cobra said:
Thanks for the offer, As above it does work on my laptop and I can read them off the web.
So I'll stick with that, for now or try another mail client :)
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its up to you but like you know you will have to upgrade at some time so why not just get on with it?
 
Cobra said:
Because I prefer the functionality of W7 to the newer versions
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but......... you know at some point you actually will have to , so why are you just fighting stuff all the time for no point?
all your posts are literally like victor meldrew and you say that me but it actually really is you?
is this you now till the end of time?
 
Mr Bump said:
you know at some point you actually will have to
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I know at some point I will also have to die, but I'm in no rush to do that either.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.
 
Cobra said:
Because I prefer the functionality of W7 to the newer versions
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For the vast majority of users there is no loss of functionality in upgrading from W7 to W10/11 (in fact the reverse is true, a lot of current software will now only run on W10/11).
The exception is if you have certain old software which does not have an updated version available (you can enable compatibility modes to get most to work, even then, but not all).
The UI is different, but that's mostly just a revised design, rather than functional changes.
 
I've only scan read this, not even sure if it's related, I was told pop3 was being phased out, this could be causing some issues?

My work emails no longer work in some 3rd party apps.

I'm not clued up on tech, just thought I'd mention it.
 
Faldrax said:
For the vast majority of users there is no loss of functionality in upgrading from W7 to W10/11
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I don't like the layout, nor the way W11 handles photo files, for one.
 
Gav. said:
I've only scan read this, not even sure if it's related, I was told pop3 was being phased out,
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I didn't know that, yet another bright idea not!
 
Cobra said:
I know at some point I will also have to die, but I'm in no rush to do that either.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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I worry about your mental health with all the things you push back against
there has to be a condition for it?
 
Faldrax said:
For the vast majority of users there is no loss of functionality in upgrading from W7 to W10/11 (in fact the reverse is true, a lot of current software will now only run on W10/11).
The exception is if you have certain old software which does not have an updated version available (you can enable compatibility modes to get most to work, even then, but not all).
The UI is different, but that's mostly just a revised design, rather than functional changes.
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er nope....

Is Windows 7 still getting security updates?


Because the ESUs reached their end of life on Jan. 10, 2023, no further security updates will be provided for Windows 7. This means the OS will not receive any further patches and thus can be a target of exploitation if any vulnerabilities are found in it.
 
Mr Bump said:
er nope....

Is Windows 7 still getting security updates?


Because the ESUs reached their end of life on Jan. 10, 2023, no further security updates will be provided for Windows 7. This means the OS will not receive any further patches and thus can be a target of exploitation if any vulnerabilities are found in it.
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er..
Which bit of my post are you saying nope to?
I made no reference to security updates, and that would be a loss of functionality by remaining on Win 7, rather than a loss by upgrading to Win 10/11?
 
For anyone still using Windows 7 I have to ask why?

I used to be an avid user of Windows 7 and the earlier incarnations of Windows and as a qualified PC Tech I will say that putting my head in the sand over Windows 10 and 11 was a mistake, I was missing out big time, factually for me and my system Windows 7 is slower than 10 and open to vulnerabilities.

In the end I decided to make a backup of Windows 7 as I wanted it with all of my programs installed and configured my way, so I had the perfect Disc Image

I then did the Same with a Windows 10 Pro install and I did once in a while go back to 7 but learned that 10 was far better, yes I had to tweak it a lot for my personal use but in general it works far better than 7 and is still supported.

Some of the things I did was remove any bloat from Win 10 with this command in Powershellx86 Admin Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage

I then reinstalled the Store Get-AppXPackage *WindowsStore* -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}

And installed all of my stuff and went into the settings and turn off any history and tracking.

I also delayed the Windows 11 install as TPM.20 is on my MoBo, I did this through Local Group Policy Editor, so I now never get bugged for Windows 11, Imay install it when 10 becomes EOL.

Anyway I did this as some programs need the newer OS to work in conjunction with things such as Thunderbird and Gmail
 
gastinator said:
<snip>I then did the Same with a Windows 10 Pro install and I did once in a while go back to 7 but learned that 10 was far better, yes I had to tweak it a lot for my personal use but in general it works far better than 7 and is still supported.

Some of the things I did was remove any bloat from Win 10 with this command in Powershellx86 Admin Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage

I then reinstalled the Store Get-AppXPackage *WindowsStore* -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}

And installed all of my stuff and went into the settings and turn off any history and tracking. </snip>
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I have no idea what you just said.
 
Sorry to say it @Cobra but W7 is out of security updates and has been for some time, your system is at risk.

On the topic of your speicifc issue it could be your need an application specific password if that has become enabled you'll be able to generate one through the Web interface of your email account,usually lurking in security somewhere.
 
LancsMak said:
Sorry to say it @Cobra but W7 is out of security updates
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People keep saying that, but I get security updates about once a month.
Its only used as an editing machine and none important stuff.
Everything else goes through my W11 lap top.

LancsMak said:
On the topic of your speicifc issue it could be your need an application specific password if that has become enabled you'll be able to generate one through the Web interface of your email account,usually lurking in security somewhere.
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I've been through all that and nothing works.
It has to be W7 as it's all fine on the lap top.
 
LancsMak said:
Sorry to say it @Cobra but W7 is out of security updates and has been for some time, your system is at risk.
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True, also I find Gmail now needs 2 step authentication for a lot of email clients, make sure 2 step is activated in your Gmail account along with random password generation from Gmail itself, this won't change your actual log in details of the Gmail account it's just a secure password for the client on your PC

Two Step


App Passwords that replaces less secure apps (Google think Thunderbird and older versions of Outlook needed to be disabled)
 
gastinator said:
make sure 2 step is activated in your Gmail account along with random password generation from Gmail itself,
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Thanks, I'm pretty sure it is, but I'll double check.
 
Cobra said:
People keep saying that, but I get security updates about once a month.
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Clearly I can't see your screen, but are you sure they're not updates for various bits of subsystems software rather than W7? As a precaution I'd be making sure that machine has no access to any shared drives on your network.
 
Cobra said:
People keep saying that, but I get security updates about once a month.
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Are you sure these aren't just updates for Windows Defender?
Microsoft do still create some patches for security vulnerabilities for Win 7, but these are reserved for major customers who pay significantly for the privilege.
 
gastinator said:
Also make sure that app passwords are done as this really threw me when it was first introduced
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Its not helping :(
It looks like I'll be reading them from the the web, (or the W11 lap top)it's a bit of a PITA as I prefer to use a mail client.
Oh well..


LancsMak said:
Clearly I can't see your screen, but are you sure they're not updates for various bits of subsystems software rather than W7?
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Its the little shield on the shut down button.

LancsMak said:
As a precaution I'd be making sure that machine has no access to any shared drives on your network.
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Both machines are stand alone. They are not connected in any way.
Well that is apart from one being hard wired, and the other via WiFi,

Faldrax said:
Are you sure these aren't just updates for Windows Defender?
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As above, I guess so.

Faldrax said:
Microsoft do still create some patches for security vulnerabilities for Win 7, but these are reserved for major customers who pay significantly for the privilege.
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I've no idea on that, I don't pay anything, they probably just feel sorry for me (y)
 
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